Gareth Bale: A Career in Perspective

00:02Gareth, did you want a coffee or tea? Gareth, did you want a coffee or tea? Uh, I'll have a Uh, I'll have a Uh, I'll have a I'll just have water, please. Water, I'll just have water, please. Water, I'll just have water, please. Water, sure. Thank you. How much did you get sure. Thank you. How much did you get sure. Thank you. How much did you get Tottenham pay for you, Gareth? They Tottenham pay for you, Gareth? They Tottenham pay for you, Gareth? They bought me for 10. bought me for 10. bought me for 10. And then I think there was a somebody in And then I think there was a somebody in And then I think there was a somebody in the end ended up going the other way

00:14the end ended up going the other way the end ended up going the other way like a year later and I don't know. like a year later and I don't know. like a year later and I don't know. Okay. So, it was 10 years. Did they have Okay. So, it was 10 years. Did they have Okay. So, it was 10 years. Did they have a sell-on on you? a sell-on on you? a sell-on on you? No. Did they have a I don't think so. No. Did they have a I don't think so. No. Did they have a I don't think so. >> How much did you go for to Madrid? 86 >> How much did you go for to Madrid? 86 >> How much did you go for to Madrid? 86 >> mistake I've ever made. I'll sell on >> mistake I've ever made. I'll sell on

00:26>> mistake I've ever made. I'll sell on you. you. you. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Yeah, probably. >> Yeah, probably. >> Yeah, probably. >> What a mistake they did. They might >> What a mistake they did. They might >> What a mistake they did. They might have. I actually have no idea. Yeah. I'm have. I actually have no idea. Yeah. I'm have. I actually have no idea. Yeah. I'm good. How are you? Good, yeah. Good, good. How are you? Good, yeah. Good, good. How are you? Good, yeah. Good, thanks. Good. thanks. Good. thanks. Good. Are you good? You good? Are you good? You good? Are you good? You good? Yeah, when did we do Lee? It was Yeah, when did we do Lee? It was

00:37Yeah, when did we do Lee? It was probably like 2 and 1/2 years ago. Oh my probably like 2 and 1/2 years ago. Oh my probably like 2 and 1/2 years ago. Oh my god, I'm thinking that was like last god, I'm thinking that was like last god, I'm thinking that was like last season. I know cuz I It was just a season. I know cuz I It was just a season. I know cuz I It was just a How are you? Nice to see you. Yeah, all How are you? Nice to see you. Yeah, all How are you? Nice to see you. Yeah, all good. good. good. This is nice. This is nice top you got. This is nice. This is nice top you got. This is nice. This is nice top you got. Oh yeah, you said it's something you

00:48Oh yeah, you said it's something you Oh yeah, you said it's something you wear. wear. wear. No, no. It's cuz we're golf mates. No, no. It's cuz we're golf mates. No, no. It's cuz we're golf mates. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> See how it was? This is what we were >> See how it was? This is what we were >> See how it was? This is what we were going to do cuz we play golf. Well, he's going to do cuz we play golf. Well, he's going to do cuz we play golf. Well, he's had a shave and everything. Yeah, had a had a shave and everything. Yeah, had a had a shave and everything. Yeah, had a shave here. You look nice and clean. For shave here. You look nice and clean. For

00:59shave here. You look nice and clean. For you. [laughter] you. [laughter] you. [laughter] Yeah, I thought that was like last year. Yeah, I thought that was like last year. Yeah, I thought that was like last year. I know I'm pretty sure it was just after I know I'm pretty sure it was just after I know I'm pretty sure it was just after I retired. So, Jamie was Oh, yeah. He I retired. So, Jamie was Oh, yeah. He I retired. So, Jamie was Oh, yeah. He was hounding me to come on. So, I was was hounding me to come on. So, I was was hounding me to come on. So, I was like, "Yeah, I'm coming on." like, "Yeah, I'm coming on." like, "Yeah, I'm coming on." >> Gareth, let's start with golf. Right,

01:12>> Gareth, let's start with golf. Right, >> Gareth, let's start with golf. Right, right. You can't wait to talk about right. You can't wait to talk about right. You can't wait to talk about golf. I love golf. Come on, let's talk golf. I love golf. Come on, let's talk golf. I love golf. Come on, let's talk about golf. You're a scratch You're a about golf. You're a scratch You're a about golf. You're a scratch You're a scratch golfer. scratch golfer. scratch golfer. Does that mean like literally if it says Does that mean like literally if it says Does that mean like literally if it says par three, you'll do it in three? Well, par three, you'll do it in three? Well,

01:23par three, you'll do it in three? Well, you don't always, but you don't always, but you don't always, but >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> No, but Gareth No, but Gareth had a >> No, but Gareth No, but Gareth had a >> No, but Gareth No, but Gareth had a couple of fours yesterday. It's pretty couple of fours yesterday. It's pretty couple of fours yesterday. It's pretty impressive. Have you played together impressive. Have you played together impressive. Have you played together like an impromptu thing? Not Not played like an impromptu thing? Not Not played like an impromptu thing? Not Not played together yet, but we will do. Absolutely together yet, but we will do. Absolutely

01:34together yet, but we will do. Absolutely will do. It's Remember I done my knee, will do. It's Remember I done my knee, will do. It's Remember I done my knee, so I'm just coming back. I've been I've so I'm just coming back. I've been I've so I'm just coming back. I've been I've had a I've been having a swing Just had a I've been having a swing Just had a I've been having a swing Just getting warmer now as well, isn't it? getting warmer now as well, isn't it? getting warmer now as well, isn't it? Yeah, I've had another swing change. Yeah, I've had another swing change. Yeah, I've had another swing change. Yeah, but this [laughter] I'll go for a Yeah, but this [laughter] I'll go for a

01:43Yeah, but this [laughter] I'll go for a 13-year swing change and I'm 13-year swing change and I'm 13-year swing change and I'm I'm I'm I'm It's starting to happen now, guys. It's starting to happen now, guys. It's starting to happen now, guys. That's how long my swing change has That's how long my swing change has That's how long my swing change has been. been. been. >> to get a coach. Yeah. Have you got a >> to get a coach. Yeah. Have you got a >> to get a coach. Yeah. Have you got a coach, Gareth? coach, Gareth? coach, Gareth? I've had a few lessons recently over the I've had a few lessons recently over the I've had a few lessons recently over the last couple of years, yeah. Off You know

01:55last couple of years, yeah. Off You know last couple of years, yeah. Off You know Robert Rock? Yeah, that thing what he's Robert Rock? Yeah, that thing what he's Robert Rock? Yeah, that thing what he's got his his thing. I haven't I I'm not got his his thing. I haven't I I'm not got his his thing. I haven't I I'm not actually used it that much. But, no. actually used it that much. But, no. actually used it that much. But, no. It's to stop the slice, isn't Have you It's to stop the slice, isn't Have you It's to stop the slice, isn't Have you done it? Yes, yes. Does it work? done it? Yes, yes. Does it work? done it? Yes, yes. Does it work? >> Yeah, it does. What is it? It's It's

02:05>> Yeah, it does. What is it? It's It's >> Yeah, it does. What is it? It's It's like a It's like something you strap on. like a It's like something you strap on. like a It's like something you strap on. You strap it Strap Strap it on your You strap it Strap Strap it on your You strap it Strap Strap it on your chest here then around this arm. So, it chest here then around this arm. So, it chest here then around this arm. So, it keeps this arm tucked in, yeah. tucked keeps this arm tucked in, yeah. tucked keeps this arm tucked in, yeah. tucked in. in. in. >> if you start that comes you start starts >> if you start that comes you start starts

02:15>> if you start that comes you start starts coming inside and over the top and that coming inside and over the top and that coming inside and over the top and that So, it over the top If you come over the So, it over the top If you come over the So, it over the top If you come over the top and you slice it. I don't play the top and you slice it. I don't play the top and you slice it. I don't play the golf, but can I ask you Can you golf, but can I ask you Can you golf, but can I ask you Can you overthink all that stuff? Yeah, overthink all that stuff? Yeah, overthink all that stuff? Yeah, definitely. Of course. The full game. definitely. Of course. The full game.

02:24definitely. Of course. The full game. comes like it. You can overthink all comes like it. You can overthink all comes like it. You can overthink all that stuff there. You can overthink the that stuff there. You can overthink the that stuff there. You can overthink the Yeah, but the thing is you need to stop Yeah, but the thing is you need to stop Yeah, but the thing is you need to stop the bad ones. So, if you have to think the bad ones. So, if you have to think the bad ones. So, if you have to think about that. Yeah. You always have about that. Yeah. You always have about that. Yeah. You always have thoughts. It's like the minimum the thoughts. It's like the minimum the

02:33thoughts. It's like the minimum the better for everything. So, it's It's better for everything. So, it's It's better for everything. So, it's It's like a footballer, I suppose. When like a footballer, I suppose. When like a footballer, I suppose. When you're taking that swing, you could have you're taking that swing, you could have you're taking that swing, you could have 1,000 thoughts before you actually get 1,000 thoughts before you actually get 1,000 thoughts before you actually get in strike the ball. in strike the ball. in strike the ball. >> Yeah, yeah. I doubt So, that must be >> Yeah, yeah. I doubt So, that must be >> Yeah, yeah. I doubt So, that must be frustrating if lads

02:45frustrating if lads frustrating if lads are trying to take it seriously, I mean. are trying to take it seriously, I mean. are trying to take it seriously, I mean. Yeah. Golf. Someone's told me Golf is Yeah. Golf. Someone's told me Golf is Yeah. Golf. Someone's told me Golf is Golf is the hardest sport in the world. Golf is the hardest sport in the world. Golf is the hardest sport in the world. It's the hardest sport. No, I think it'd It's the hardest sport. No, I think it'd It's the hardest sport. No, I think it'd be good for you cuz you could take your be good for you cuz you could take your be good for you cuz you could take your anger out. You know when you drive? Just

02:55anger out. You know when you drive? Just anger out. You know when you drive? Just picture someone's head on the golf ball picture someone's head on the golf ball picture someone's head on the golf ball and just smash it. You wouldn't have to and just smash it. You wouldn't have to and just smash it. You wouldn't have to do that. I'd have 100 heads before I get do that. I'd have 100 heads before I get do that. I'd have 100 heads before I get done. Different people. You need to done. Different people. You need to done. Different people. You need to tackle it, yeah. No, I don't think it'd tackle it, yeah. No, I don't think it'd

03:03tackle it, yeah. No, I don't think it'd be good for me. I swear. Why though? be good for me. I swear. Why though? be good for me. I swear. Why though? It's my lad all night. It's my lad all night. It's my lad all night. >> Well, no, but it It also depends how you >> Well, no, but it It also depends how you >> Well, no, but it It also depends how you play golf. Some people play just for play golf. Some people play just for play golf. Some people play just for social, some play to get better, some social, some play to get better, some social, some play to get better, some play for a bit of everything. play for a bit of everything.

03:14play for a bit of everything. >> So, kind of You play What do you play >> So, kind of You play What do you play >> So, kind of You play What do you play for? Bit of everything. Yeah, me too. I for? Bit of everything. Yeah, me too. I for? Bit of everything. Yeah, me too. I play to I play to win, but I just No, of play to I play to win, but I just No, of play to I play to win, but I just No, of course. But, you want to enjoy it at the course. But, you want to enjoy it at the course. But, you want to enjoy it at the same time. same time. same time. >> Did you play in the comps at your club? >> Did you play in the comps at your club?

03:22>> Did you play in the comps at your club? Yeah, I've played a couple, but I played Yeah, I've played a couple, but I played Yeah, I've played a couple, but I played Wentworth. He's on Wentworth yesterday. Wentworth. He's on Wentworth yesterday. Wentworth. He's on Wentworth yesterday. Yeah, I struggle cuz the kids are doing Yeah, I struggle cuz the kids are doing Yeah, I struggle cuz the kids are doing so much on the weekends. So, trying to so much on the weekends. So, trying to so much on the weekends. So, trying to get a few midweek comps if I can, but get a few midweek comps if I can, but get a few midweek comps if I can, but Yeah, you played Pebble Beach as well,

03:32Yeah, you played Pebble Beach as well, Yeah, you played Pebble Beach as well, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. That was good. I didn't you? Yeah, yeah. That was good. I didn't you? Yeah, yeah. That was good. I love Pebble. I got to ask you Who are love Pebble. I got to ask you Who are love Pebble. I got to ask you Who are you going to Who are you going to you going to Who are you going to you going to Who are you going to Augusta with? I've I've played it. Wow. Augusta with? I've I've played it. Wow. Augusta with? I've I've played it. Wow. I've played it, yeah. I've done it. You I've played it, yeah. I've done it. You I've played it, yeah. I've done it. You said that last year. You like you shot a

03:42said that last year. You like you shot a said that last year. You like you shot a really good score as well, didn't Yeah, really good score as well, didn't Yeah, really good score as well, didn't Yeah, I know. I was I was one over through I I know. I was I was one over through I I know. I was I was one over through I was one over through 15 and then I was one over through 15 and then I was one over through 15 and then I finished bogey bogey bogey. Crumbled a finished bogey bogey bogey. Crumbled a finished bogey bogey bogey. Crumbled a little bit, but played off the Masters little bit, but played off the Masters little bit, but played off the Masters tees, which is good. So, Wow. You played

03:53tees, which is good. So, Wow. You played tees, which is good. So, Wow. You played Altringham. Altringham's supposed to be Altringham. Altringham's supposed to be Altringham. Altringham's supposed to be decent. No, no, no. decent. No, no, no. decent. No, no, no. No. Are you remember Are you remember No. Are you remember Are you remember No. Are you remember Are you remember No, I don't It's supposed to be top top. No, I don't It's supposed to be top top. No, I don't It's supposed to be top top. Play with him. All right. I need to Play with him. All right. I need to Play with him. All right. I need to remember the contact. Yeah, people don't remember the contact. Yeah, people don't

04:02remember the contact. Yeah, people don't realize To get on realize To get on realize To get on You cannot You You cannot get on You cannot You You cannot get on You cannot You You cannot get on Augusta. That's why when Rory was when Augusta. That's why when Rory was when Augusta. That's why when Rory was when Rory was I was trying to beg him to just Rory was I was trying to beg him to just Rory was I was trying to beg him to just [laughter] like, "You know, if you're [laughter] like, "You know, if you're [laughter] like, "You know, if you're going and you Just give me a shout, bro. going and you Just give me a shout, bro.

04:11going and you Just give me a shout, bro. I'll come play Augusta with you." You I'll come play Augusta with you." You I'll come play Augusta with you." You have to play with a member or something. have to play with a member or something. have to play with a member or something. Yeah, he has to be He has to be signed Yeah, he has to be He has to be signed Yeah, he has to be He has to be signed or something. or something. or something. Could you be like a professional golfer Could you be like a professional golfer Could you be like a professional golfer though? Absolutely not. The amount of though? Absolutely not. The amount of

04:20though? Absolutely not. The amount of times I get asked this. And actually it times I get asked this. And actually it times I get asked this. And actually it was funny cuz when I played um the was funny cuz when I played um the was funny cuz when I played um the Wentworth Pro-Am with Rory, they asked Wentworth Pro-Am with Rory, they asked Wentworth Pro-Am with Rory, they asked him after and like I obviously know that him after and like I obviously know that him after and like I obviously know that you're a scratch, but you're like a plus you're a scratch, but you're like a plus you're a scratch, but you're like a plus eight, but under pressure. It's like you

04:33eight, but under pressure. It's like you eight, but under pressure. It's like you know when someone goes, "Oh, I could know when someone goes, "Oh, I could know when someone goes, "Oh, I could play football." You're like play football." You're like play football." You're like You might have been all right on a You might have been all right on a You might have been all right on a Sunday league. You might look good, but Sunday league. You might look good, but Sunday league. You might look good, but you come to like the physicality of you come to like the physicality of you come to like the physicality of football, everything is just different. football, everything is just different.

04:43football, everything is just different. And it's the same with golf. Like I'm a And it's the same with golf. Like I'm a And it's the same with golf. Like I'm a scratch, but like put a bit of pressure scratch, but like put a bit of pressure scratch, but like put a bit of pressure on me, I will crumble cuz I'm not used on me, I will crumble cuz I'm not used on me, I will crumble cuz I'm not used to it. Right. You should really admit to it. Right. You should really admit to it. Right. You should really admit that, Gareth. I won't I know, but like that, Gareth. I won't I know, but like that, Gareth. I won't I know, but like No, but he's too good. But, like if you

04:53No, but he's too good. But, like if you No, but he's too good. But, like if you put me in front of like 30,000 people in put me in front of like 30,000 people in put me in front of like 30,000 people in a Ryder Cup, I'd be like Yeah, yeah. a Ryder Cup, I'd be like Yeah, yeah. a Ryder Cup, I'd be like Yeah, yeah. It's different. It's different. It's different. Yeah, but Gareth, this is what I was Yeah, but Gareth, this is what I was Yeah, but Gareth, this is what I was trying to I tried to explain to Rory the trying to I tried to explain to Rory the trying to I tried to explain to Rory the the Ryder Cup. I'm so pleased there's a the Ryder Cup. I'm so pleased there's a

05:03the Ryder Cup. I'm so pleased there's a another golfer here to help me. another golfer here to help me. another golfer here to help me. >> Oh, I did see I did hear. >> Oh, I did see I did hear. >> Oh, I did see I did hear. >> Did you see it? Yeah, I did see it. Can >> Did you see it? Yeah, I did see it. Can >> Did you see it? Yeah, I did see it. Can you Can you Yeah, but they're you Can you Yeah, but they're you Can you Yeah, but they're professional golfers here. Yeah, but did professional golfers here. Yeah, but did professional golfers here. Yeah, but did Yeah, but the thing is They're on Yeah, but the thing is They're on

05:10Yeah, but the thing is They're on different points. No, he's not. You know different points. No, he's not. You know different points. No, he's not. You know when before start of finals, do you ever when before start of finals, do you ever when before start of finals, do you ever feel nervous? feel nervous? feel nervous? A little bit. The belly starts A little bit. The belly starts A little bit. The belly starts something. Yeah, but yeah, but a nice something. Yeah, but yeah, but a nice something. Yeah, but yeah, but a nice nervous, yeah. Yeah, but they're a nice nervous, yeah. Yeah, but they're a nice nervous, yeah. Yeah, but they're a nice nervous. They can still hit the ball,

05:21nervous. They can still hit the ball, nervous. They can still hit the ball, but it's like but it's like but it's like they know where their ball more or less they know where their ball more or less they know where their ball more or less is going. We have no idea. That's why I is going. We have no idea. That's why I is going. We have no idea. That's why I feel nervous about it. Yeah, yeah. I feel nervous about it. Yeah, yeah. I feel nervous about it. Yeah, yeah. I see. see. see. But, it's like in a football match, you But, it's like in a football match, you But, it's like in a football match, you know you can control your nerves and you know you can control your nerves and you

05:31know you can control your nerves and you know how to play football. know how to play football. know how to play football. That first tee That's how I would That first tee That's how I would That first tee That's how I would describe it. describe it. describe it. First tee Wentworth putting your ball on First tee Wentworth putting your ball on First tee Wentworth putting your ball on the Yeah, it's Yeah, you've got to put the Yeah, it's Yeah, you've got to put the Yeah, it's Yeah, you've got to put it on a little thing. Play with McIlroy, it on a little thing. Play with McIlroy, it on a little thing. Play with McIlroy, yeah. yeah. yeah. He just threw it down. Rory. Rory, yeah.

05:44He just threw it down. Rory. Rory, yeah. He just threw it down. Rory. Rory, yeah. He just threw it down. Paul to Luke He just threw it down. Paul to Luke He just threw it down. Paul to Luke Donald. unbelievable. Donald. unbelievable. Donald. unbelievable. It doesn't People People expect People It doesn't People People expect People It doesn't People People expect People expect you to hit it well. Did you hit expect you to hit it well. Did you hit expect you to hit it well. Did you hit Yeah, a good first one. So, you did. Yeah, a good first one. So, you did. Yeah, a good first one. So, you did. Yeah. I threw it. That was it. Isn't the Yeah. I threw it. That was it. Isn't the

05:56Yeah. I threw it. That was it. Isn't the first one cuz everyone's like there? first one cuz everyone's like there? first one cuz everyone's like there? >> You also feel like they're judging you >> You also feel like they're judging you >> You also feel like they're judging you off the first shot. off the first shot. off the first shot. That's the worst. But, I think the thing That's the worst. But, I think the thing That's the worst. But, I think the thing with Rory though, everyone follows him with Rory though, everyone follows him with Rory though, everyone follows him around every hole. So, you've got You've around every hole. So, you've got You've

06:05around every hole. So, you've got You've got this every shot. got this every shot. got this every shot. The The thing what people don't realize The The thing what people don't realize The The thing what people don't realize as well with a football As soon as as well with a football As soon as as well with a football As soon as you're a footballer of a golf club, you're a footballer of a golf club, you're a footballer of a golf club, as soon as as soon as you get on the as soon as as soon as you get on the as soon as as soon as you get on the tee, everything stops from everywhere. tee, everything stops from everywhere. tee, everything stops from everywhere. Everyone's looking.

06:15Everyone's looking. Everyone's looking. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> And that's the pressure what you have to >> And that's the pressure what you have to >> And that's the pressure what you have to deal with all the time. Like every time deal with all the time. Like every time deal with all the time. Like every time you're going to hit All right, but you're going to hit All right, but you're going to hit All right, but what's the most people can be watching what's the most people can be watching what's the most people can be watching at one time if you're a golfer? You're at one time if you're a golfer? You're

06:21at one time if you're a golfer? You're not about teeing off, right? What's the not about teeing off, right? What's the not about teeing off, right? What's the most people can be watching you? most people can be watching you? most people can be watching you? Truthfully. What do you mean? Just like Truthfully. What do you mean? Just like Truthfully. What do you mean? Just like a normal day? a normal day? a normal day? A few thousand. Yeah, one or a few Then A few thousand. Yeah, one or a few Then A few thousand. Yeah, one or a few Then television. Yeah, but Get the TV for television. Yeah, but Get the TV for television. Yeah, but Get the TV for people watch some Probably Ryder Cup

06:32people watch some Probably Ryder Cup people watch some Probably Ryder Cup it'll probably be about 10,000 watching it'll probably be about 10,000 watching it'll probably be about 10,000 watching 10,000. Yeah. Jesus. 10,000. Yeah. Jesus. 10,000. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah, but it's the I know about the Yeah, but it's the I know about the Yeah, but it's the I know about the golf. We train for the more than that. golf. We train for the more than that. golf. We train for the more than that. Yeah, but Rory We're training for the 89 Yeah, but Rory We're training for the 89 Yeah, but Rory We're training for the 89 He's got to score again. He's got to score again.

06:44He's got to score again. The golfers aren't getting that. You The golfers aren't getting that. You The golfers aren't getting that. You might not touch a football for about 25 might not touch a football for about 25 might not touch a football for about 25 minutes. They have to hit every shot. 25 minutes. They have to hit every shot. 25 minutes. They have to hit every shot. 25 minutes not touch a football. minutes not touch a football. >> [laughter] >> In In a game of football, what's the >> In In a game of football, what's the >> In In a game of football, what's the average time I didn't touch the ball. average time I didn't touch the ball.

06:55average time I didn't touch the ball. The average. What I didn't touch the The average. What I didn't touch the The average. What I didn't touch the ball. ball. ball. 10 10 seconds. I don't I don't always 10 10 seconds. I don't I don't always 10 10 seconds. I don't I don't always get it [laughter] on it. get it [laughter] on it. get it [laughter] on it. Of course. I know it was 25 minutes. He Of course. I know it was 25 minutes. He Of course. I know it was 25 minutes. He said not after 25 minutes. ball for like said not after 25 minutes. ball for like said not after 25 minutes. ball for like [laughter] Hey, I cracked a joke to [laughter] Hey, I cracked a joke to

07:05[laughter] Hey, I cracked a joke to Ronnie O'Sullivan. Ronnie O'Sullivan. Ronnie O'Sullivan. No, 25 Rory says to you, "Have you ever No, 25 Rory says to you, "Have you ever No, 25 Rory says to you, "Have you ever tried He's not tried it. I've tried it. tried He's not tried it. I've tried it. tried He's not tried it. I've tried it. I've You have a sub picture of you with I've You have a sub picture of you with I've You have a sub picture of you with Yeah, I played with Del Andro Stokey. If Yeah, I played with Del Andro Stokey. If Yeah, I played with Del Andro Stokey. If you were short of numbers, yeah, course. you were short of numbers, yeah, course.

07:16you were short of numbers, yeah, course. Gareth, you have you ever played? Yeah, Gareth, you have you ever played? Yeah, Gareth, you have you ever played? Yeah, I used to play. Do you You used to be a I used to play. Do you You used to be a I used to play. Do you You used to be a player, weren't That was good. Yeah, I player, weren't That was good. Yeah, I player, weren't That was good. Yeah, I was to be fair. And quickly I give that was to be fair. And quickly I give that was to be fair. And quickly I give that up. The first house I bought when I was up. The first house I bought when I was up. The first house I bought when I was 18, I actually bought on a golf course.

07:2618, I actually bought on a golf course. 18, I actually bought on a golf course. Um in Bury and I used to play all the Um in Bury and I used to play all the Um in Bury and I used to play all the time, but I found myself cuz you get time, but I found myself cuz you get time, but I found myself cuz you get quite addicted to it, don't you? You quite addicted to it, don't you? You quite addicted to it, don't you? You become obsessive. And then I do think I become obsessive. And then I do think I become obsessive. And then I do think I would That was going to be my question, would That was going to be my question, would That was going to be my question, actually. Do you think it's good for

07:36actually. Do you think it's good for actually. Do you think it's good for football players? There was a time with football players? There was a time with football players? There was a time with England where we'd been a tournament and England where we'd been a tournament and England where we'd been a tournament and I thought the lads It felt like to me I thought the lads It felt like to me I thought the lads It felt like to me the lads were more worried about getting the lads were more worried about getting the lads were more worried about getting on the golf course Yeah. after the on the golf course Yeah. after the on the golf course Yeah. after the actual training session than it was

07:46actual training session than it was actual training session than it was about training. In front of my mum or about training. In front of my mum or about training. In front of my mum or front Yeah, and I Yeah, but if it was a front Yeah, and I Yeah, but if it was a front Yeah, and I Yeah, but if it was a good course, would you understand that a good course, would you understand that a good course, would you understand that a little, you know? little, you know? little, you know? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> But, I stopped playing golf at that >> But, I stopped playing golf at that >> But, I stopped playing golf at that point cuz I just thought it's must tire

07:55point cuz I just thought it's must tire point cuz I just thought it's must tire you out. It must sort of your joints and you out. It must sort of your joints and you out. It must sort of your joints and things like Yeah, but he's switched off, things like Yeah, but he's switched off, things like Yeah, but he's switched off, I'm guessing. You're supposed And that's I'm guessing. You're supposed And that's I'm guessing. You're supposed And that's how I think now a little bit. What do how I think now a little bit. What do how I think now a little bit. What do you think on that? I find it worse. If you think on that? I find it worse. If

08:02you think on that? I find it worse. If you sit on a sofa and you get up, you're you sit on a sofa and you get up, you're you sit on a sofa and you get up, you're like, "Oh my god, I feel horrific." At like, "Oh my god, I feel horrific." At like, "Oh my god, I feel horrific." At least you're like It's like active least you're like It's like active least you're like It's like active recovery, I always found it. And like recovery, I always found it. And like recovery, I always found it. And like when I was playing, I'd always take a when I was playing, I'd always take a when I was playing, I'd always take a buggy cuz yeah, if you go and walk, what buggy cuz yeah, if you go and walk, what

08:12buggy cuz yeah, if you go and walk, what is it? Like 7 miles. I get it. But, if is it? Like 7 miles. I get it. But, if is it? Like 7 miles. I get it. But, if you're taking a buggy, you're in and you're taking a buggy, you're in and you're taking a buggy, you're in and out. out. out. You're active. You're not thinking about You're active. You're not thinking about You're active. You're not thinking about games. You're not thinking about games. You're not thinking about games. You're not thinking about tournaments, pressure. You get away from tournaments, pressure. You get away from tournaments, pressure. You get away from everything. I liked it for that reason.

08:24everything. I liked it for that reason. everything. I liked it for that reason. Stick to Football [music] is brought to Stick to Football [music] is brought to Stick to Football [music] is brought to you by A M Clothing. you by A M Clothing. you by A M Clothing. Did you meet Sir Alex? No, I think he Did you meet Sir Alex? No, I think he Did you meet Sir Alex? No, I think he actually actually actually called my mum. Top and you will play called my mum. Top and you will play called my mum. Top and you will play your mum. your mum. your mum. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You did very well in Spain. I didn't do >> You did very well in Spain. I didn't do

08:37>> You did very well in Spain. I didn't do as well. I remember I scored a You were as well. I remember I scored a You were as well. I remember I scored a You were the manager. You had to do the game. the manager. You had to do the game. the manager. You had to do the game. >> Yeah, I know, but we had 10 men. >> Yeah, I know, but we had 10 men. >> Yeah, I know, but we had 10 men. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I never wanted the >> I never wanted the >> I never wanted the circus that goes with it. I just wanted circus that goes with it. I just wanted circus that goes with it. I just wanted to play football and go home. Did to play football and go home. Did

08:49to play football and go home. Did Cristiano let you take any of them? On Cristiano let you take any of them? On Cristiano let you take any of them? On the left it was him, on the right it was the left it was him, on the right it was the left it was him, on the right it was me, and in the middle me, and in the middle me, and in the middle >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> was normally him. >> was normally him. >> was normally him. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I don't want to see Tottenham go down. >> I don't want to see Tottenham go down. >> I don't want to see Tottenham go down. Of course not. Arsenal as much as I hate Of course not. Arsenal as much as I hate

09:00Of course not. Arsenal as much as I hate Tottenham, they need it for the rivalry Tottenham, they need it for the rivalry Tottenham, they need it for the rivalry for that Premier League. I didn't mind for that Premier League. I didn't mind for that Premier League. I didn't mind watching City go down, though, did you? watching City go down, though, did you? watching City go down, though, did you? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> To lose was like Yeah. a massive >> To lose was like Yeah. a massive >> To lose was like Yeah. a massive devastation, especially to England. And devastation, especially to England. And

09:11devastation, especially to England. And then to see you run down the side. then to see you run down the side. then to see you run down the side. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You're embarrassed by that, though, a >> You're embarrassed by that, though, a >> You're embarrassed by that, though, a little bit. Embarrassed is not the word. little bit. Embarrassed is not the word. little bit. Embarrassed is not the word. I'm passionate about my club. I know, I'm passionate about my club. I know, I'm passionate about my club. I know, exactly. Yeah. You'd be embarrassed as exactly. Yeah. You'd be embarrassed as exactly. Yeah. You'd be embarrassed as well. well. well. >> [laughter]

09:20>> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I'm passionate at the same time. So, you >> I'm passionate at the same time. So, you >> I'm passionate at the same time. So, you would never go into United? No. Would would never go into United? No. Would would never go into United? No. Would Man United offer you similar money to Man United offer you similar money to Man United offer you similar money to Madrid? Gareth, he wanted to go to Madrid? Gareth, he wanted to go to Madrid? Gareth, he wanted to go to Madrid. Madrid. Madrid. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> This guy's turned down money United >> This guy's turned down money United

09:29>> This guy's turned down money United twice, right? Yeah, I mean, I need to twice, right? Yeah, I mean, I need to twice, right? Yeah, I mean, I need to get to the bottom of that. We've had a lot of guests on There's 118 We've had a lot of guests on There's 118 of these shows, and you are the most of these shows, and you are the most of these shows, and you are the most decorated player we've ever had on. Five decorated player we've ever had on. Five decorated player we've ever had on. Five European I was talking to Rory last European I was talking to Rory last European I was talking to Rory last night. Rory came to Salford. Five night. Rory came to Salford. Five

09:46night. Rory came to Salford. Five European Cups. Five Champions Leagues. European Cups. Five Champions Leagues. European Cups. Five Champions Leagues. That's amazing. After going for what? 86 That's amazing. After going for what? 86 That's amazing. After going for what? 86 million. Jeez. That is I mean, it's million. Jeez. That is I mean, it's million. Jeez. That is I mean, it's ridiculous, really. ridiculous, really. ridiculous, really. Yeah, I don't really think about it, to Yeah, I don't really think about it, to Yeah, I don't really think about it, to be honest like that. I just I don't be honest like that. I just I don't be honest like that. I just I don't know. Whenever know. Whenever

10:00know. Whenever even though like I never thought of it even though like I never thought of it even though like I never thought of it while I was playing, when you stop I I while I was playing, when you stop I I while I was playing, when you stop I I guess you look back, but you don't guess you look back, but you don't guess you look back, but you don't really I don't know you don't really see really I don't know you don't really see really I don't know you don't really see the severity of what you've done. I just the severity of what you've done. I just the severity of what you've done. I just I don't know. It's just just one of I don't know. It's just just one of

10:11I don't know. It's just just one of those things that those things that those things that I guess people say it so often you kind I guess people say it so often you kind I guess people say it so often you kind of just oh yeah, yeah. Kind of thing. of just oh yeah, yeah. Kind of thing. of just oh yeah, yeah. Kind of thing. Wow. Wow. Wow. >> Same, how many Premier League titles >> Same, how many Premier League titles >> Same, how many Premier League titles have you guys won? And it's like have you guys won? And it's like have you guys won? And it's like you don't go how insane is that? How you don't go how insane is that? How

10:23you don't go how insane is that? How many you've won? But you don't go ooh. many you've won? But you don't go ooh. many you've won? But you don't go ooh. You know, but I think it's just You know, but I think it's just You know, but I think it's just >> Boyd tells us every day. >> Boyd tells us every day. >> Boyd tells us every day. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I think to be fair you're right. I mean, >> I think to be fair you're right. I mean, >> I think to be fair you're right. I mean, when you win a lot of Premier League when you win a lot of Premier League when you win a lot of Premier League titles it's great, but to be fair we I titles it's great, but to be fair we I

10:32titles it's great, but to be fair we I think all of us understand the challenge think all of us understand the challenge think all of us understand the challenge of winning the Champions League. It's of winning the Champions League. It's of winning the Champions League. It's almost like almost like almost like >> At Real Madrid. >> At Real Madrid. >> At Real Madrid. >> That is different, isn't it? It's >> That is different, isn't it? It's >> That is different, isn't it? It's different. It it you know, you can win different. It it you know, you can win different. It it you know, you can win it we won leagues and I think it's it we won leagues and I think it's

10:41it we won leagues and I think it's difficult to do, but to win Champions difficult to do, but to win Champions difficult to do, but to win Champions Leagues was like it was a monumental to Leagues was like it was a monumental to Leagues was like it was a monumental to be fair occasion to get to a semi-final be fair occasion to get to a semi-final be fair occasion to get to a semi-final and get to a final and just talk to us and get to a final and just talk to us and get to a final and just talk to us about the Champions League and Real about the Champions League and Real about the Champions League and Real Madrid or the European Cup and Real Madrid or the European Cup and Real

10:52Madrid or the European Cup and Real Madrid. Madrid. Madrid. >> Yeah, and I think just by going there >> Yeah, and I think just by going there >> Yeah, and I think just by going there straight away I realized they they just straight away I realized they they just straight away I realized they they just prioritize the Champions League. Like prioritize the Champions League. Like prioritize the Champions League. Like the league again it's it's a tough one the league again it's it's a tough one the league again it's it's a tough one being in Spain cuz it's two teams maybe being in Spain cuz it's two teams maybe being in Spain cuz it's two teams maybe Atletico jump in now and again. So, the

11:05Atletico jump in now and again. So, the Atletico jump in now and again. So, the league you have a few games where league you have a few games where league you have a few games where it's probably more than a probably half it's probably more than a probably half it's probably more than a probably half the games you know you're going to win. the games you know you're going to win. the games you know you're going to win. It's just by how many. So, you can kind It's just by how many. So, you can kind It's just by how many. So, you can kind of of of not take it easy in the league, but it's not take it easy in the league, but it's

11:16not take it easy in the league, but it's not like the Premier League where you're not like the Premier League where you're not like the Premier League where you're like week in week out just ties you out like week in week out just ties you out like week in week out just ties you out and we would just prioritize the and we would just prioritize the and we would just prioritize the Champions League and How do you do that Champions League and How do you do that Champions League and How do you do that psychologically in terms of prioritizing psychologically in terms of prioritizing psychologically in terms of prioritizing a game? The atmosphere is bigger at the

11:26a game? The atmosphere is bigger at the a game? The atmosphere is bigger at the stadium. The fans expect you. The stadium. The fans expect you. The stadium. The fans expect you. The president's like he's there the day of president's like he's there the day of president's like he's there the day of the game at the hotel or at the training the game at the hotel or at the training the game at the hotel or at the training ground. ground. ground. >> That's Florentino Pérez. >> That's Florentino Pérez. >> That's Florentino Pérez. >> Yeah. And like >> Yeah. And like >> Yeah. And like it's just more emphasis put on the it's just more emphasis put on the

11:37it's just more emphasis put on the Champions League and you know that and Champions League and you know that and Champions League and you know that and then you come to the Champions League then you come to the Champions League then you come to the Champions League night and it just means more. It's like night and it just means more. It's like night and it just means more. It's like a final every Champions League game. a final every Champions League game. a final every Champions League game. >> Talk talk to us about Pérez in the sense >> Talk talk to us about Pérez in the sense >> Talk talk to us about Pérez in the sense that you that you that you you sometimes say in football that

11:48you sometimes say in football that you sometimes say in football that owners should sort of keep their owners should sort of keep their owners should sort of keep their distance. They shouldn't be anywhere distance. They shouldn't be anywhere distance. They shouldn't be anywhere near the football, but you're telling us near the football, but you're telling us near the football, but you're telling us that he's basically on the day of a that he's basically on the day of a that he's basically on the day of a Champions League game at the hotel. Is Champions League game at the hotel. Is Champions League game at the hotel. Is that whole by the way he would literally

11:55that whole by the way he would literally that whole by the way he would literally be there talking to the players? be there talking to the players? be there talking to the players? >> most games just having a chat just >> most games just having a chat just >> most games just having a chat just there. He was always there. He was always there. He was always Saying what? Saying what? Saying what? Not a lot, but just Not a lot, but just Not a lot, but just >> Just there. >> Just there. >> Just there. >> Just there just his presence and you >> Just there just his presence and you >> Just there just his presence and you knew that when he was there it was like

12:08knew that when he was there it was like knew that when he was there it was like oh all right, this is even bigger now. oh all right, this is even bigger now. oh all right, this is even bigger now. Yeah. Just because he's the president Yeah. Just because he's the president Yeah. Just because he's the president you you don't want to let him down. He you you don't want to let him down. He you you don't want to let him down. He always he's obviously the one who signed always he's obviously the one who signed always he's obviously the one who signed you. He's put his faith in you and you you. He's put his faith in you and you

12:16you. He's put his faith in you and you had that relationship with him that had that relationship with him that had that relationship with him that maybe I guess you don't have with owners maybe I guess you don't have with owners maybe I guess you don't have with owners in in many clubs, but in in many clubs, but in in many clubs, but >> Why is it different over in Spain or >> Why is it different over in Spain or >> Why is it different over in Spain or different countries where the owners different countries where the owners different countries where the owners have that sort of what would be real have that sort of what would be real have that sort of what would be real presence? presence?

12:28presence? >> I don't I I've never really thought >> I don't I I've never really thought >> I don't I I've never really thought about it to be honest, but it's just about it to be honest, but it's just about it to be honest, but it's just he's so in love and I think with the he's so in love and I think with the he's so in love and I think with the game and he also as much as he is a game and he also as much as he is a game and he also as much as he is a great president he loves the celebrity great president he loves the celebrity great president he loves the celebrity status that comes with it, I think. And status that comes with it, I think. And

12:40status that comes with it, I think. And he likes to be there and he likes to be he likes to be there and he likes to be he likes to be there and he likes to be seen and Probably political, isn't it? seen and Probably political, isn't it? seen and Probably political, isn't it? >> Yeah, it yeah it's it's a political kind >> Yeah, it yeah it's it's a political kind >> Yeah, it yeah it's it's a political kind of position the Real Madrid and the of position the Real Madrid and the of position the Real Madrid and the Barcelona president both of them and Barcelona president both of them and Barcelona president both of them and even Atletico in there. Um even Atletico in there. Um

12:52even Atletico in there. Um So, yeah just everything's just So, yeah just everything's just So, yeah just everything's just That's the normal over there. I don't That's the normal over there. I don't That's the normal over there. I don't know why you need to be saying why is it know why you need to be saying why is it know why you need to be saying why is it like that? That's that's the culture in like that? That's that's the culture in like that? That's that's the culture in Spain, isn't it? How it works. Spain, isn't it? How it works. Spain, isn't it? How it works. >> Yeah, and it's he doesn't own the club. >> Yeah, and it's he doesn't own the club.

13:02>> Yeah, and it's he doesn't own the club. That's the thing. No, he's like a That's the thing. No, he's like a That's the thing. No, he's like a guardian really. guardian really. guardian really. >> Yeah, and I think I I don't know if this >> Yeah, and I think I I don't know if this >> Yeah, and I think I I don't know if this story you need to have 150 million in story you need to have 150 million in story you need to have 150 million in the bank before you can the bank before you can the bank before you can be the president. So, there's only kind be the president. So, there's only kind be the president. So, there's only kind of these two or three candidates every

13:14of these two or three candidates every of these two or three candidates every time and this I don't know if it's if time and this I don't know if it's if time and this I don't know if it's if it's true, but you hear the rumors, but it's true, but you hear the rumors, but it's true, but you hear the rumors, but um and they want to make a legacy cuz um and they want to make a legacy cuz um and they want to make a legacy cuz they can make their legacy through that they can make their legacy through that they can make their legacy through that like we can in our football careers. So, like we can in our football careers. So,

13:24like we can in our football careers. So, for him now to be able to win so many for him now to be able to win so many for him now to be able to win so many Champions Leagues under his guidance Champions Leagues under his guidance Champions Leagues under his guidance um um um it makes him the greatest president in it makes him the greatest president in it makes him the greatest president in Real Madrid's history. So, Is he the Real Madrid's history. So, Is he the Real Madrid's history. So, Is he the architect behind the signing of sort of architect behind the signing of sort of architect behind the signing of sort of like the Galácticos, the stars? like the Galácticos, the stars?

13:35like the Galácticos, the stars? >> one who started it. >> one who started it. >> one who started it. >> He's the one who started it sort of >> He's the one who started it sort of >> He's the one who started it sort of yeah. yeah. yeah. >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, yeah. So, yeah he was doing that. yeah. So, yeah he was doing that. yeah. So, yeah he was doing that. Obviously there's people below him as Obviously there's people below him as Obviously there's people below him as well on the board level that like José well on the board level that like José well on the board level that like José Ángel who's the CEO who are very much on Ángel who's the CEO who are very much on

13:47Ángel who's the CEO who are very much on the same page and you always talk about the same page and you always talk about the same page and you always talk about owners needing to be on the same page owners needing to be on the same page owners needing to be on the same page and sporting director and manager and and sporting director and manager and and sporting director and manager and they control everything and if the they control everything and if the they control everything and if the sporting director or the manager are not sporting director or the manager are not sporting director or the manager are not that's why they're gone. So, they just that's why they're gone. So, they just

14:01that's why they're gone. So, they just control the whole club. Now, you see you control the whole club. Now, you see you control the whole club. Now, you see you know your personality for a club like know your personality for a club like know your personality for a club like that when you when you went there, could that when you when you went there, could that when you when you went there, could you feel that intensity of the pressure you feel that intensity of the pressure you feel that intensity of the pressure that's on that club? Yeah, straight that's on that club? Yeah, straight that's on that club? Yeah, straight away. Even training you have like we away. Even training you have like we

14:12away. Even training you have like we have this balcony above and it's just have this balcony above and it's just have this balcony above and it's just full of press just like full of press just like full of press just like >> Woah. Watching >> Woah. Watching >> Woah. Watching >> Every training session. Not every >> Every training session. Not every >> Every training session. Not every training session, but the day before training session, but the day before training session, but the day before it's just like it's just like it's just like it's like when you go to a stadium in a it's like when you go to a stadium in a

14:21it's like when you go to a stadium in a final and all the press they're on the final and all the press they're on the final and all the press they're on the side. It is like that every day before side. It is like that every day before side. It is like that every day before the Does that make you get used to it? the Does that make you get used to it? the Does that make you get used to it? Do you know what I mean? Like for the Do you know what I mean? Like for the Do you know what I mean? Like for the big games big games big games >> does. And you know like the micro the >> does. And you know like the micro the >> does. And you know like the micro the microscope is on you. There's like

14:33microscope is on you. There's like microscope is on you. There's like newspapers designated just to Real newspapers designated just to Real newspapers designated just to Real Madrid. Here it's just like Yeah. papers Madrid. Here it's just like Yeah. papers Madrid. Here it's just like Yeah. papers and you just go on the back page and you just go on the back page and you just go on the back page whatever, but it's like papers just for whatever, but it's like papers just for whatever, but it's like papers just for Real Madrid and it's just covered in Real Madrid and it's just covered in Real Madrid and it's just covered in whether it's online or whatever. It's

14:44whether it's online or whatever. It's whether it's online or whatever. It's just all about the club and it's just just all about the club and it's just just all about the club and it's just the expectation and you know you can't the expectation and you know you can't the expectation and you know you can't take your foot off the gas cuz they'll take your foot off the gas cuz they'll take your foot off the gas cuz they'll come after you straight away. So, come after you straight away. So, come after you straight away. So, it's um it's um it's um yeah, it's just a one massive microscope yeah, it's just a one massive microscope

14:56yeah, it's just a one massive microscope and you know you have to be on the ball and you know you have to be on the ball and you know you have to be on the ball cuz they'll sell you and get someone cuz they'll sell you and get someone cuz they'll sell you and get someone else otherwise. else otherwise. else otherwise. >> Did you feel it cuz your personality >> Did you feel it cuz your personality >> Did you feel it cuz your personality you're very calm and Yeah. What did you're very calm and Yeah. What did you're very calm and Yeah. What did that's obviously helped you. Yeah. that's obviously helped you. Yeah. that's obviously helped you. Yeah. >> Could you but could you feel the

15:07>> Could you but could you feel the >> Could you but could you feel the intensity of it even with your calm intensity of it even with your calm intensity of it even with your calm personality? personality? personality? >> can but I I I always just >> can but I I I always just >> can but I I I always just when I went there I was obviously when I went there I was obviously when I went there I was obviously playing well. I had kind of come through playing well. I had kind of come through playing well. I had kind of come through the ranks and I was confident in my the ranks and I was confident in my the ranks and I was confident in my ability. So, I went there and thinking

15:18ability. So, I went there and thinking ability. So, I went there and thinking I never worried anything about my I never worried anything about my I never worried anything about my football. That was like even my first football. That was like even my first football. That was like even my first training session was like I didn't feel training session was like I didn't feel training session was like I didn't feel any intimidated or anything? any intimidated or anything? any intimidated or anything? >> I just thought I know I'm good enough. >> I just thought I know I'm good enough. >> I just thought I know I'm good enough. So, I always felt like that was So, I always felt like that was

15:31So, I always felt like that was taken care of and even moving to Spain taken care of and even moving to Spain taken care of and even moving to Spain I'm like I can I can move to Spain cuz I I'm like I can I can move to Spain cuz I I'm like I can I can move to Spain cuz I can cope with any style of football. I'm can cope with any style of football. I'm can cope with any style of football. I'm physically physically physically quicker and stronger than everyone in my quicker and stronger than everyone in my quicker and stronger than everyone in my head. I can shoot. I can score. I can do head. I can shoot. I can score. I can do head. I can shoot. I can score. I can do all these things. So,

15:43all these things. So, all these things. So, going to another country for footballing going to another country for footballing going to another country for footballing reasons was never an issue. reasons was never an issue. reasons was never an issue. Um Um Um and then obviously settling in living and then obviously settling in living and then obviously settling in living wise is then is is a bit more difficult, wise is then is is a bit more difficult, wise is then is is a bit more difficult, but um but um but um yeah, it's just yeah, I can't Is there yeah, it's just yeah, I can't Is there yeah, it's just yeah, I can't Is there anybody looking after you guys when you

15:56anybody looking after you guys when you anybody looking after you guys when you got there? got there? got there? At the start for maybe a couple of weeks At the start for maybe a couple of weeks At the start for maybe a couple of weeks to help you find a place and then you're to help you find a place and then you're to help you find a place and then you're literally on your own. Yeah. Is that literally on your own. Yeah. Is that literally on your own. Yeah. Is that good or is that good for we hear about good or is that good for we hear about good or is that good for we hear about players now almost babysitting? players now almost babysitting?

16:07players now almost babysitting? >> Yeah, I well I had to grow up. I think >> Yeah, I well I had to grow up. I think >> Yeah, I well I had to grow up. I think that was good for you. that was good for you. that was good for you. >> Yeah, I had to I had to grow up very >> Yeah, I had to I had to grow up very >> Yeah, I had to I had to grow up very quickly and I think if I stayed quickly and I think if I stayed quickly and I think if I stayed playing in the Premier League maybe I playing in the Premier League maybe I playing in the Premier League maybe I would not have grown up as a person would not have grown up as a person

16:18would not have grown up as a person quick enough. I always had my daughter quick enough. I always had my daughter quick enough. I always had my daughter just before I went out there. just before I went out there. just before I went out there. My wife came out and yeah, we just we My wife came out and yeah, we just we My wife came out and yeah, we just we had to grow up a lot quicker and fend had to grow up a lot quicker and fend had to grow up a lot quicker and fend for ourselves. Obviously I had a great for ourselves. Obviously I had a great for ourselves. Obviously I had a great agency who would look after me as well agency who would look after me as well

16:29agency who would look after me as well to help me out. And we have we have good to help me out. And we have we have good to help me out. And we have we have good people around. Um but yeah, it people around. Um but yeah, it people around. Um but yeah, it definitely made me grow up as a person definitely made me grow up as a person definitely made me grow up as a person and a player a lot quicker than and a player a lot quicker than and a player a lot quicker than being in your comfort zone, people being in your comfort zone, people being in your comfort zone, people around you, family, around you, family, around you, family, speaking the language, all those things.

16:43speaking the language, all those things. speaking the language, all those things. >> How old were you when you went out >> How old were you when you went out >> How old were you when you went out there? 20 23 or 24. there? 20 23 or 24. there? 20 23 or 24. >> So, I didn't realize I was that young. >> So, I didn't realize I was that young. >> So, I didn't realize I was that young. Yeah. So, I was there what? Nine years. Yeah. So, I was there what? Nine years. Yeah. So, I was there what? Nine years. I had a year back. So, eight years I was I had a year back. So, eight years I was I had a year back. So, eight years I was over there pretty much. So, um yeah. I

16:57over there pretty much. So, um yeah. I over there pretty much. So, um yeah. I can imagine it being quite difficult can imagine it being quite difficult can imagine it being quite difficult that I mean, you say you weren't you that I mean, you say you weren't you that I mean, you say you weren't you settled into it, but I can imagine the settled into it, but I can imagine the settled into it, but I can imagine the the pressure cuz you're coming from the pressure cuz you're coming from the pressure cuz you're coming from Tottenham and I think Wrighty's alluded Tottenham and I think Wrighty's alluded Tottenham and I think Wrighty's alluded to it you you always felt like quite

17:07to it you you always felt like quite to it you you always felt like quite unassuming like you didn't really get unassuming like you didn't really get unassuming like you didn't really get you know, you didn't really demand the you know, you didn't really demand the you know, you didn't really demand the headlines. You weren't that type of headlines. You weren't that type of headlines. You weren't that type of football player, but you were up in football player, but you were up in football player, but you were up in there alongside Benzema, Cristiano there alongside Benzema, Cristiano there alongside Benzema, Cristiano Ronaldo. How was that? How how were you

17:19Ronaldo. How was that? How how were you Ronaldo. How was that? How how were you put under pressure differently than say put under pressure differently than say put under pressure differently than say they were or was it all the same for all they were or was it all the same for all they were or was it all the same for all of you? of you? of you? Yeah, I feel like I went a lot of Yeah, I feel like I went a lot of Yeah, I feel like I went a lot of players go to Real Madrid and it's like players go to Real Madrid and it's like players go to Real Madrid and it's like this glitz and glamour and I never was this glitz and glamour and I never was

17:30this glitz and glamour and I never was like that. I just wanted to go there and like that. I just wanted to go there and like that. I just wanted to go there and play football and go home. Yeah. That play football and go home. Yeah. That play football and go home. Yeah. That was just my Is that enough for them over was just my Is that enough for them over was just my Is that enough for them over there? there? there? >> Which clearly it wasn't. Um I personally >> Which clearly it wasn't. Um I personally >> Which clearly it wasn't. Um I personally I think I think that's probably the I think I think that's probably the I think I think that's probably the biggest thing like I never would want to

17:41biggest thing like I never would want to biggest thing like I never would want to go and do interviews all the time. I'd go and do interviews all the time. I'd go and do interviews all the time. I'd have to sometimes. Um have to sometimes. Um have to sometimes. Um and just yeah, I never wanted the and just yeah, I never wanted the and just yeah, I never wanted the kind of I don't know the kind of I don't know the kind of I don't know the circus that circus that circus that >> circus that goes with it. I just wanted >> circus that goes with it. I just wanted >> circus that goes with it. I just wanted to play football and go home and be with to play football and go home and be with

17:56to play football and go home and be with my family kind of thing that my family kind of thing that my family kind of thing that and I think for Madrid it's probably not and I think for Madrid it's probably not and I think for Madrid it's probably not enough for the fans. They want to get to enough for the fans. They want to get to enough for the fans. They want to get to know you. They want to know your know you. They want to know your know you. They want to know your personality. They want to that bit of personality. They want to that bit of personality. They want to that bit of ego. I never really was me and I again ego. I never really was me and I again

18:07ego. I never really was me and I again I would just I was so stubborn. I was I would just I was so stubborn. I was I would just I was so stubborn. I was unwilling to change and I there's other unwilling to change and I there's other unwilling to change and I there's other things that I was stubborn with that things that I was stubborn with that things that I was stubborn with that probably probably probably if I played the game a bit better I if I played the game a bit better I if I played the game a bit better I would have probably been less targeted would have probably been less targeted would have probably been less targeted by the press and the fans and stuff, but

18:21by the press and the fans and stuff, but by the press and the fans and stuff, but >> Were you targeted a lot? Yeah, I think >> Were you targeted a lot? Yeah, I think >> Were you targeted a lot? Yeah, I think so and even I remember leaving a game so and even I remember leaving a game so and even I remember leaving a game cuz we were whenever we were if we were cuz we were whenever we were if we were cuz we were whenever we were if we were injured or suspended you could leave 10 injured or suspended you could leave 10 injured or suspended you could leave 10 minutes before the end of the game. That minutes before the end of the game. That

18:31minutes before the end of the game. That was like the rule you had to be there. I was like the rule you had to be there. I was like the rule you had to be there. I remember I left on like eight I'd always remember I left on like eight I'd always remember I left on like eight I'd always leave 82 minutes miss the traffic and leave 82 minutes miss the traffic and leave 82 minutes miss the traffic and because we lost there was like a picture because we lost there was like a picture because we lost there was like a picture of me and they were like you left early of me and they were like you left early of me and they were like you left early and then I'm on the front page of the

18:41and then I'm on the front page of the and then I'm on the front page of the paper and I'm like paper and I'm like paper and I'm like I do the same as everybody else, but you I do the same as everybody else, but you I do the same as everybody else, but you just Yeah, just just Yeah, just just Yeah, just >> felt a bit more targeted and then >> felt a bit more targeted and then >> felt a bit more targeted and then because I wouldn't then come out and because I wouldn't then come out and because I wouldn't then come out and defend myself cuz I was like I just defend myself cuz I was like I just defend myself cuz I was like I just don't want to. Yeah. I guess they just

18:53don't want to. Yeah. I guess they just don't want to. Yeah. I guess they just carried on piling in didn't you? carried on piling in didn't you? carried on piling in didn't you? >> Yeah, which which I look back now and >> Yeah, which which I look back now and >> Yeah, which which I look back now and people like oh, do you wish you did people like oh, do you wish you did people like oh, do you wish you did things differently? I'm like no, cuz I things differently? I'm like no, cuz I things differently? I'm like no, cuz I didn't change and that's what I like and didn't change and that's what I like and didn't change and that's what I like and I know maybe I got a bit of a lot more

19:03I know maybe I got a bit of a lot more I know maybe I got a bit of a lot more criticism than I should have, but again criticism than I should have, but again criticism than I should have, but again like you said I I stuck true to myself. like you said I I stuck true to myself. like you said I I stuck true to myself. I didn't change and I yeah, in a way I didn't change and I yeah, in a way I didn't change and I yeah, in a way proud of that. Yeah. Where did that proud of that. Yeah. Where did that proud of that. Yeah. Where did that criticism come from? In the sense of why criticism come from? In the sense of why criticism come from? In the sense of why why were they so pointed on you? I'm

19:16why were they so pointed on you? I'm why were they so pointed on you? I'm asking cuz to fair I was over in Spain asking cuz to fair I was over in Spain asking cuz to fair I was over in Spain four months and you did very well in four months and you did very well in four months and you did very well in Spain. I didn't do as well. Spain. I didn't do as well. Spain. I didn't do as well. >> I remember I scored and you were the >> I remember I scored and you were the >> I remember I scored and you were the manager. [laughter] manager. [laughter] manager. [laughter] Hey, you scored. I know you did. Yeah, Hey, you scored. I know you did. Yeah,

19:24Hey, you scored. I know you did. Yeah, but we we actually drew the game. but we we actually drew the game. but we we actually drew the game. >> I know, but we HAD 10 MEN. >> I know, but we HAD 10 MEN. >> I know, but we HAD 10 MEN. >> [laughter] >> GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF >> GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT, OKAY? GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT, OKAY? GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT, OKAY? >> [laughter]

19:37>> YOU DREW WITH REAL MADRID. We drew with >> YOU DREW WITH REAL MADRID. We drew with Real Madrid. And we should have scored Real Madrid. And we should have scored Real Madrid. And we should have scored in the last minute. It was unbelievable. in the last minute. It was unbelievable. in the last minute. It was unbelievable. It just something after that game. I It just something after that game. I It just something after that game. I think Rafa Benítez got sacked, didn't think Rafa Benítez got sacked, didn't think Rafa Benítez got sacked, didn't he? he? he? >> Yeah, probably yeah. Sounds about right. >> Yeah, probably yeah. Sounds about right.

19:46>> Yeah, probably yeah. Sounds about right. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So did you, didn't What is your best result? What's it like What is your best result? What's it like playing in that front three? Cuz I mean playing in that front three? Cuz I mean playing in that front three? Cuz I mean people will talk about Messi, Suarez, people will talk about Messi, Suarez, people will talk about Messi, Suarez, and Neymar around that time, but your and Neymar around that time, but your and Neymar around that time, but your front three of Ronaldo, you, and front three of Ronaldo, you, and front three of Ronaldo, you, and Benzema, I mean it's a joke, really. It

20:02Benzema, I mean it's a joke, really. It Benzema, I mean it's a joke, really. It isn't it's not a joke. But what what How isn't it's not a joke. But what what How isn't it's not a joke. But what what How is that How is that in terms of the is that How is that in terms of the is that How is that in terms of the characters? Benzema characters? Benzema characters? Benzema Talk to us about him. Obviously, we know Talk to us about him. Obviously, we know Talk to us about him. Obviously, we know Cristiano. Cristiano. Cristiano. Three of us played with him, but how is Three of us played with him, but how is Three of us played with him, but how is that cuz they they've got massive

20:14that cuz they they've got massive that cuz they they've got massive personalities, big egos, they need to personalities, big egos, they need to personalities, big egos, they need to succeed, they have the pressure on them succeed, they have the pressure on them succeed, they have the pressure on them as well. How is that for you sort of as well. How is that for you sort of as well. How is that for you sort of dovetailing with those two? Um we dovetailing with those two? Um we dovetailing with those two? Um we generally everyone got on really well in generally everyone got on really well in generally everyone got on really well in the changing room. We never had any

20:27the changing room. We never had any the changing room. We never had any issues. I got on really well with Karim. issues. I got on really well with Karim. issues. I got on really well with Karim. He was very quiet and was more just with He was very quiet and was more just with He was very quiet and was more just with Varane who were the French boys and just Varane who were the French boys and just Varane who were the French boys and just he would always keep himself to himself, he would always keep himself to himself, he would always keep himself to himself, but we never had one argument, never had but we never had one argument, never had

20:39but we never had one argument, never had any falling out. Um we got along We any falling out. Um we got along We any falling out. Um we got along We played well obviously together. He was played well obviously together. He was played well obviously together. He was like that. Obviously, me and Cristiano like that. Obviously, me and Cristiano like that. Obviously, me and Cristiano were down the wing probably the bit more were down the wing probably the bit more were down the wing probably the bit more flair. He was the one who was I guess flair. He was the one who was I guess flair. He was the one who was I guess gluing it all together, joining up. He's

20:52gluing it all together, joining up. He's gluing it all together, joining up. He's that focal point. Um but we it just all that focal point. Um but we it just all that focal point. Um but we it just all seemed to work together really well and seemed to work together really well and seemed to work together really well and when I went there, it was kind of like when I went there, it was kind of like when I went there, it was kind of like maybe the final piece of the jigsaw to maybe the final piece of the jigsaw to maybe the final piece of the jigsaw to that team. that team. that team. Um so we had like a bit more balance and Um so we had like a bit more balance and

21:04Um so we had like a bit more balance and then obviously the positions worked out then obviously the positions worked out then obviously the positions worked out perfect with Cristiano on the left, me perfect with Cristiano on the left, me perfect with Cristiano on the left, me on the right, and then Karim just that on the right, and then Karim just that on the right, and then Karim just that false nine, but actual real number nine false nine, but actual real number nine false nine, but actual real number nine as well. So, um It took him a long time as well. So, um It took him a long time as well. So, um It took him a long time to get credit, didn't it? Benzema we

21:19No, it No, it didn't. Yeah. No, it No, it No, it didn't. Yeah. No, it didn't. But then Cristiano's there didn't. But then Cristiano's there didn't. But then Cristiano's there taking the headlines a lot. Um I come taking the headlines a lot. Um I come taking the headlines a lot. Um I come for a big fee. He came He came really for a big fee. He came He came really for a big fee. He came He came really young. I think he came 21, maybe even young. I think he came 21, maybe even young. I think he came 21, maybe even younger, I don't know, but he didn't younger, I don't know, but he didn't younger, I don't know, but he didn't come for this like massive fee and kind

21:32come for this like massive fee and kind come for this like massive fee and kind of just came through Madrid and just of just came through Madrid and just of just came through Madrid and just built into a kind of thing, but Did you built into a kind of thing, but Did you built into a kind of thing, but Did you naturally just work well together? Did naturally just work well together? Did naturally just work well together? Did you do a lot of training with it? Never you do a lot of training with it? Never you do a lot of training with it? Never Again, we didn't do much tactical work Again, we didn't do much tactical work

21:41Again, we didn't do much tactical work ever. And I'm sure you you guys probably ever. And I'm sure you you guys probably ever. And I'm sure you you guys probably Some of the best player lads. Some of Some of the best player lads. Some of Some of the best player lads. Some of the best strike partnerships. You never the best strike partnerships. You never the best strike partnerships. You never even worked together. No, exactly. And even worked together. No, exactly. And even worked together. No, exactly. And like I've been through the teams in like I've been through the teams in like I've been through the teams in certain interviews before and it's like certain interviews before and it's like

21:53certain interviews before and it's like when you actually look through the team when you actually look through the team when you actually look through the team at that time, you'd arguably be like at that time, you'd arguably be like at that time, you'd arguably be like everyone's the best in their position everyone's the best in their position everyone's the best in their position give one or two players and it's like give one or two players and it's like give one or two players and it's like it should work. If you're good players, it should work. If you're good players, it should work. If you're good players, you should be able to play together and you should be able to play together and

22:05you should be able to play together and you obviously also being a good player, you obviously also being a good player, you obviously also being a good player, you know what they can't do, what they you know what they can't do, what they you know what they can't do, what they can do, and how you can do, and how you can do, and how you you know, for example, Cristiano's not you know, for example, Cristiano's not you know, for example, Cristiano's not going to come back and defend so much, going to come back and defend so much, going to come back and defend so much, so maybe I'm going to have to just so maybe I'm going to have to just

22:14so maybe I'm going to have to just sacrifice a bit and come back and sacrifice a bit and come back and sacrifice a bit and come back and you just figure it out as a team and the you just figure it out as a team and the you just figure it out as a team and the manager will obviously give you manager will obviously give you manager will obviously give you some things to do and stuff, but it's some things to do and stuff, but it's some things to do and stuff, but it's just it's not rocket science. just it's not rocket science. just it's not rocket science. >> He lacked a bit of pace as well, didn't >> He lacked a bit of pace as well, didn't

22:24>> He lacked a bit of pace as well, didn't >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Definitely not that. Remember the goal >> Definitely not that. Remember the goal >> Definitely not that. Remember the goal in the final at Barcelona? You actually in the final at Barcelona? You actually in the final at Barcelona? You actually run off the pitch, don't you? He's run off the pitch, don't you? He's run off the pitch, don't you? He's giving us high-fiving the people giving us high-fiving the people giving us high-fiving the people [laughter] on the [laughter] on the [laughter] on the high-fiving the people on the side. high-fiving the people on the side.

22:35high-fiving the people on the side. Was that one of your best goals Was that one of your best goals Was that one of your best goals >> real Liverpool. >> real Liverpool. >> real Liverpool. That was like the first moment. I That was like the first moment. I That was like the first moment. I actually got a bit of stick that first actually got a bit of stick that first actually got a bit of stick that first season. season. season. Um Um Um I I felt like I was doing fine, but I I I felt like I was doing fine, but I I I felt like I was doing fine, but I didn't have a didn't have a didn't have a >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I scored 48 goals. I was But like they

22:48>> I scored 48 goals. I was But like they >> I scored 48 goals. I was But like they were like, "Oh, you haven't had a were like, "Oh, you haven't had a were like, "Oh, you haven't had a moment." I'm like, "Well, there's been a moment." I'm like, "Well, there's been a moment." I'm like, "Well, there's been a final yet." It's the first one. It's final yet." It's the first one. It's final yet." It's the first one. It's like March or whatever it was. So, to like March or whatever it was. So, to like March or whatever it was. So, to kind of score that goal in a final, I kind of score that goal in a final, I kind of score that goal in a final, I kind of like got a lot of people off my

22:58kind of like got a lot of people off my kind of like got a lot of people off my back straight away cuz you come for a back straight away cuz you come for a back straight away cuz you come for a big money signing and it's like big money signing and it's like big money signing and it's like it never really bothered me, but it's it never really bothered me, but it's it never really bothered me, but it's just at least it's just just at least it's just just at least it's just >> And then you sign off with a proper >> And then you sign off with a proper >> And then you sign off with a proper goal. goal. goal. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> What were your goals tallies each

23:08>> What were your goals tallies each >> What were your goals tallies each season? Just take us take us through it. season? Just take us take us through it. season? Just take us take us through it. I can't. I don't really I can't. I don't really I can't. I don't really >> the most you scored in one season? >> the most you scored in one season? >> the most you scored in one season? I have no idea. Maybe I have no idea. Maybe I have no idea. Maybe 25 25 something like that. But then with 25 25 something like that. But then with 25 25 something like that. But then with assists as well. assists as well. assists as well. >> yeah. Cuz you you gifted a lot to >> yeah. Cuz you you gifted a lot to

23:21>> yeah. Cuz you you gifted a lot to Cristiano. Cristiano. Cristiano. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Otherwise So a goal involved >> Otherwise So a goal involved >> Otherwise So a goal involved >> maybe another 10 onto that maybe that >> maybe another 10 onto that maybe that >> maybe another 10 onto that maybe that you just pass across. >> [music] >> [music] >> Stick to Football is brought to you by >> Stick to Football is brought to you by >> Stick to Football is brought to you by ARM Clothing. Talk to us about Cristiano cuz obviously Talk to us about Cristiano cuz obviously when he played obviously United with us, when he played obviously United with us,

23:39when he played obviously United with us, he was getting to a point 2006 to 8 he was getting to a point 2006 to 8 he was getting to a point 2006 to 8 where he was I think when he left us, he where he was I think when he left us, he where he was I think when he left us, he was the best in the world at that point was the best in the world at that point was the best in the world at that point probably with Messi. He was absolutely probably with Messi. He was absolutely probably with Messi. He was absolutely sensational and obviously kicks on the sensational and obviously kicks on the sensational and obviously kicks on the but but but I mean he's massively driven, wanted to

23:51I mean he's massively driven, wanted to I mean he's massively driven, wanted to be the best player in the world. Is that be the best player in the world. Is that be the best player in the world. Is that your experience of him when you were in your experience of him when you were in your experience of him when you were in the dressing room with him at Madrid? the dressing room with him at Madrid? the dressing room with him at Madrid? Yeah, the driven part, yeah. I think Yeah, the driven part, yeah. I think Yeah, the driven part, yeah. I think when I came when I came when I came obviously watching him when I played in obviously watching him when I played in

24:00obviously watching him when I played in the Premier League and when I was a bit the Premier League and when I was a bit the Premier League and when I was a bit younger, younger, younger, he was definitely more of a flair player he was definitely more of a flair player he was definitely more of a flair player and a winger. and a winger. and a winger. As I came to Madrid, I felt like he was As I came to Madrid, I felt like he was As I came to Madrid, I felt like he was just started that transition to becoming just started that transition to becoming just started that transition to becoming a goal scorer a goal scorer a goal scorer where he realized that where he realized that

24:15where he realized that if I get goals and I don't have to do so if I get goals and I don't have to do so if I get goals and I don't have to do so much, I'm going to get probably even much, I'm going to get probably even much, I'm going to get probably even more laudits and credits. So, he was more laudits and credits. So, he was more laudits and credits. So, he was still doing the dribbling and stuff, but still doing the dribbling and stuff, but still doing the dribbling and stuff, but as he got older, he just transitioned as he got older, he just transitioned as he got older, he just transitioned more into and I think just as I came, he more into and I think just as I came, he

24:27more into and I think just as I came, he was was was first two three seasons, he was still first two three seasons, he was still first two three seasons, he was still probably similar to the United Cristiano probably similar to the United Cristiano probably similar to the United Cristiano and then transitioned into that like, and then transitioned into that like, and then transitioned into that like, "Right, I don't need to come back so "Right, I don't need to come back so "Right, I don't need to come back so much. I can position myself better for much. I can position myself better for much. I can position myself better for counterattacks." counterattacks." counterattacks." Um Um

24:41Um And yeah, just the how driven he was in And yeah, just the how driven he was in And yeah, just the how driven he was in training and in games just to score training and in games just to score training and in games just to score goals. Literally, that's all he wanted goals. Literally, that's all he wanted goals. Literally, that's all he wanted to do was score goals. And ultimately, to do was score goals. And ultimately, to do was score goals. And ultimately, it's what He's got so many records. it's what He's got so many records. it's what He's got so many records. Was he demanding in the dressing Who Who Was he demanding in the dressing Who Who

24:52Was he demanding in the dressing Who Who was the Who was the big leader in that was the Who was the big leader in that was the Who was the big leader in that dressing room? Obviously, Ramos was in dressing room? Obviously, Ramos was in dressing room? Obviously, Ramos was in there, wasn't he? And Yeah, I'd I'd I'd there, wasn't he? And Yeah, I'd I'd I'd there, wasn't he? And Yeah, I'd I'd I'd say Ramos was by far the biggest leader. say Ramos was by far the biggest leader. say Ramos was by far the biggest leader. Um Cristiano had his ego and was a Um Cristiano had his ego and was a Um Cristiano had his ego and was a leader in in his own right from what a leader in in his own right from what a

25:05leader in in his own right from what a player he is. Um but in terms of the player he is. Um but in terms of the player he is. Um but in terms of the leader of the team, it was yeah, clearly leader of the team, it was yeah, clearly leader of the team, it was yeah, clearly Ramos. What was it What was Dani Ramos. What was it What was Dani Ramos. What was it What was Dani Carvajal like cuz he's been there for a Carvajal like cuz he's been there for a Carvajal like cuz he's been there for a while and he seems very underrated. while and he seems very underrated. while and he seems very underrated. Unbelievable player and he's just like Unbelievable player and he's just like

25:16Unbelievable player and he's just like under the radar can't tell no nothing under the radar can't tell no nothing under the radar can't tell no nothing never Yeah, he's he's I say he's like a never Yeah, he's he's I say he's like a never Yeah, he's he's I say he's like a bulldog. He's like a right back who just bulldog. He's like a right back who just bulldog. He's like a right back who just will give you a good performance even if will give you a good performance even if will give you a good performance even if he's playing badly, he'll just he's playing badly, he'll just he's playing badly, he'll just just keep going after you and just just keep going after you and just

25:27just keep going after you and just nibble at your heels, does it in nibble at your heels, does it in nibble at your heels, does it in training. And it's just served him well training. And it's just served him well training. And it's just served him well and he's never A lot of players have and he's never A lot of players have and he's never A lot of players have that dip in motivation or he just just that dip in motivation or he just just that dip in motivation or he just just stays there. stays there. stays there. He's still there. Yeah, he had a bad He's still there. Yeah, he had a bad He's still there. Yeah, he had a bad knee injury a couple of years ago, but

25:40knee injury a couple of years ago, but knee injury a couple of years ago, but he's still Unbelievable. Yeah, still he's still Unbelievable. Yeah, still he's still Unbelievable. Yeah, still yeah. Would Ronaldo be mad if you didn't yeah. Would Ronaldo be mad if you didn't yeah. Would Ronaldo be mad if you didn't pass it to him? Sometimes when I watch pass it to him? Sometimes when I watch pass it to him? Sometimes when I watch some of your goals like it's coming. You some of your goals like it's coming. You some of your goals like it's coming. You picked on the ball Yeah, I was thinking picked on the ball Yeah, I was thinking

25:50picked on the ball Yeah, I was thinking about it just before. I've had a few about it just before. I've had a few about it just before. I've had a few arm flails that I've missed a one-on-one arm flails that I've missed a one-on-one arm flails that I've missed a one-on-one and I maybe could have passed to him, and I maybe could have passed to him, and I maybe could have passed to him, but um but um but um I I think you also have to take it that I I think you also have to take it that I I think you also have to take it that is his drive and that is his motivation. is his drive and that is his motivation. is his drive and that is his motivation. He just wants to score. Not just one,

26:04He just wants to score. Not just one, He just wants to score. Not just one, but he wants to score three, four, five, but he wants to score three, four, five, but he wants to score three, four, five, six a game if he can. six a game if he can. six a game if he can. And like you know he's chasing records And like you know he's chasing records And like you know he's chasing records and he wants to score this and he wants and he wants to score this and he wants and he wants to score this and he wants to beat to beat to beat Messi doing that and it's Messi doing that and it's Messi doing that and it's you get it. And I think also you can't you get it. And I think also you can't

26:17you get it. And I think also you can't argue he's scoring the goals. And I argue he's scoring the goals. And I argue he's scoring the goals. And I think even when he came back to Man think even when he came back to Man think even when he came back to Man United, people like who's not the same, United, people like who's not the same, United, people like who's not the same, but he still scored the goals. but he still scored the goals. but he still scored the goals. Which is ultimately the hardest thing to Which is ultimately the hardest thing to Which is ultimately the hardest thing to do in football. Um do in football. Um do in football. Um But yeah, it's just he was just so

26:28But yeah, it's just he was just so But yeah, it's just he was just so driven and driven and driven and you know going into a game, you pretty you know going into a game, you pretty you know going into a game, you pretty much had a one that had something much had a one that had something much had a one that had something knowing he's going to score at some knowing he's going to score at some knowing he's going to score at some point. So, it was always a good point. So, it was always a good point. So, it was always a good confidence booster for me. confidence booster for me. confidence booster for me. >> What was the Barcelona game like? >> What was the Barcelona game like?

26:38>> What was the Barcelona game like? They were always the tough ones. We They were always the tough ones. We They were always the tough ones. We I just always felt there was I just always felt there was I just always felt there was where whenever we played Pep, if it was where whenever we played Pep, if it was where whenever we played Pep, if it was Bayern or Barca, it was always those Bayern or Barca, it was always those Bayern or Barca, it was always those games that you felt like like we were games that you felt like like we were games that you felt like like we were chasing shadows for about 80 minutes and chasing shadows for about 80 minutes and

26:52chasing shadows for about 80 minutes and then we just got a counter and try and then we just got a counter and try and then we just got a counter and try and nick the game. Of course, you'll have nick the game. Of course, you'll have nick the game. Of course, you'll have periods in the game where you keep the periods in the game where you keep the periods in the game where you keep the ball, but it was ball, but it was ball, but it was you knew those games you're not going to you knew those games you're not going to you knew those games you're not going to have your normal possession. And they have your normal possession. And they

27:01have your normal possession. And they were always just they were built up were always just they were built up were always just they were built up obviously as that. Did you score against obviously as that. Did you score against obviously as that. Did you score against them? them? them? Yeah, I scored a couple against them. Yeah, I scored a couple against them. Yeah, I scored a couple against them. Not as many as I would have liked, but Not as many as I would have liked, but Not as many as I would have liked, but you don't really get many opportunities you don't really get many opportunities you don't really get many opportunities against them especially with that team.

27:11against them especially with that team. against them especially with that team. You accepted that they were going to You accepted that they were going to You accepted that they were going to dominate possession. You had to put your dominate possession. You had to put your dominate possession. You had to put your egos to the side. We just pick a few egos to the side. We just pick a few egos to the side. We just pick a few moments. moments. moments. >> And like and we had the perfect team to >> And like and we had the perfect team to >> And like and we had the perfect team to counterattack. So, it did also work in counterattack. So, it did also work in

27:20counterattack. So, it did also work in our favor. our favor. our favor. Beat them in Bayern away, didn't you? Beat them in Bayern away, didn't you? Beat them in Bayern away, didn't you? How many four did it was it? Yeah, four How many four did it was it? Yeah, four How many four did it was it? Yeah, four or five. or five. or five. Yeah, again, we just low block and we Yeah, again, we just low block and we Yeah, again, we just low block and we knew we had the pace and the power and knew we had the pace and the power and knew we had the pace and the power and the the the calmness of the team to do that. We were calmness of the team to do that. We were

27:32calmness of the team to do that. We were great off set pieces with the center great off set pieces with the center great off set pieces with the center backs we had. We just backs we had. We just backs we had. We just we knew we just accepted it. There was we knew we just accepted it. There was we knew we just accepted it. There was going to be a couple of games a season going to be a couple of games a season going to be a couple of games a season that you just got to that you just got to that you just got to like you said, take your ego out of it like you said, take your ego out of it like you said, take your ego out of it and just Strange to think of Real Madrid

27:45and just Strange to think of Real Madrid and just Strange to think of Real Madrid doing a low block in it. So, you you had doing a low block in it. So, you you had doing a low block in it. So, you you had to. to. to. teams you had to teams you had to teams you had to You go one-v-one. You go one-v-one. You go one-v-one. We tried it a few times. It's like, "Oh, We tried it a few times. It's like, "Oh, We tried it a few times. It's like, "Oh, you got you got you got >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> get back." Were you the quickest in the >> get back." Were you the quickest in the >> get back." Were you the quickest in the team though? Cuz when I watched that

28:00team though? Cuz when I watched that team though? Cuz when I watched that sprint, you literally just knock it past sprint, you literally just knock it past sprint, you literally just knock it past and just go. Were you the quickest? Uh and just go. Were you the quickest? Uh and just go. Were you the quickest? Uh Cristiano would argue otherwise. Cristiano would argue otherwise. Cristiano would argue otherwise. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> As he would, but yeah, I would like to >> As he would, but yeah, I would like to >> As he would, but yeah, I would like to think yeah, I was I was a You want You think yeah, I was I was a You want You

28:11think yeah, I was I was a You want You don't want to race later. don't want to race later. don't want to race later. No, I'm answering. No, I'm answering. No, I'm answering. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah, you'd beat me. Talk about Zidane >> Yeah, you'd beat me. Talk about Zidane >> Yeah, you'd beat me. Talk about Zidane cuz obviously you've got this And he's cuz obviously you've got this And he's cuz obviously you've got this And he's not paid since sort of anywhere, which not paid since sort of anywhere, which not paid since sort of anywhere, which is just amazing, really, that he goes is just amazing, really, that he goes

28:24is just amazing, really, that he goes in. Yeah. Does this job. What was he in. Yeah. Does this job. What was he in. Yeah. Does this job. What was he like? Cuz obviously he's one of the like? Cuz obviously he's one of the like? Cuz obviously he's one of the greatest players that probably we've greatest players that probably we've greatest players that probably we've ever played against. ever played against. ever played against. What is his sort of style sort of What is his sort of style sort of What is his sort of style sort of day-to-day dealing with all these day-to-day dealing with all these day-to-day dealing with all these massive personalities, egos, characters,

28:36massive personalities, egos, characters, massive personalities, egos, characters, and then getting you all to sit back and then getting you all to sit back and then getting you all to sit back behind the ball in certain games and behind the ball in certain games and behind the ball in certain games and sort of be compact and then counter How sort of be compact and then counter How sort of be compact and then counter How is that cuz you'd think he would be is that cuz you'd think he would be is that cuz you'd think he would be someone that wouldn't like to give someone that wouldn't like to give someone that wouldn't like to give possession away against the Pep team,

28:44possession away against the Pep team, possession away against the Pep team, for example. for example. for example. >> So, he also He also played Italian >> So, he also He also played Italian >> So, he also He also played Italian football. So, he kind of I think got football. So, he kind of I think got football. So, he kind of I think got that side of it as well especially at that side of it as well especially at that side of it as well especially at that time where they were very that time where they were very that time where they were very defensive, but um defensive, but um defensive, but um again, he didn't do that much. It's again, he didn't do that much. It's

28:55again, he didn't do that much. It's just Does anybody do that much at Real just Does anybody do that much at Real just Does anybody do that much at Real Madrid? Madrid? Madrid? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> No, the players. Yeah, and if you win >> No, the players. Yeah, and if you win >> No, the players. Yeah, and if you win any Champions Leagues, you're not doing any Champions Leagues, you're not doing any Champions Leagues, you're not doing that much. Most tactics we would do is that much. Most tactics we would do is that much. Most tactics we would do is you knew if you had Barcelona or Bayern, you knew if you had Barcelona or Bayern,

29:04you knew if you had Barcelona or Bayern, you would do a little bit of tactics. you would do a little bit of tactics. you would do a little bit of tactics. The rest would be The rest would be The rest would be minimal. It would just be your normal minimal. It would just be your normal minimal. It would just be your normal training, possession game, little goals, training, possession game, little goals, training, possession game, little goals, finish with a game, finish with a game, finish with a game, shooting and you go. It was quite shooting and you go. It was quite shooting and you go. It was quite similar for us at Watford at the start similar for us at Watford at the start

29:17similar for us at Watford at the start of the season. The big games where you of the season. The big games where you of the season. The big games where you The big games then you do you do The big games then you do you do The big games then you do you do 15 minutes of tactics in defensive shape 15 minutes of tactics in defensive shape 15 minutes of tactics in defensive shape rather than attacking and that's it. Was rather than attacking and that's it. Was rather than attacking and that's it. Was he good with the You know, was he he good with the You know, was he he good with the You know, was he obviously had huge respect, credibility. obviously had huge respect, credibility.

29:29obviously had huge respect, credibility. Was that the sort of his Was that his Was that the sort of his Was that his Was that the sort of his Was that his main Did he join in? Yeah, that was his main Did he join in? Yeah, that was his main Did he join in? Yeah, that was his main He did join in, yeah. Christ, main He did join in, yeah. Christ, main He did join in, yeah. Christ, chopped me a few times. chopped me a few times. chopped me a few times. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> But he was actually the assistant in my >> But he was actually the assistant in my >> But he was actually the assistant in my first season with Carlo and first season with Carlo and

29:41first season with Carlo and Paul Clement. And he joined in more then Paul Clement. And he joined in more then Paul Clement. And he joined in more then obviously he was a little bit younger obviously he was a little bit younger obviously he was a little bit younger and he would He just that touch. Yeah. and he would He just that touch. Yeah. and he would He just that touch. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's like his legs were like >> Yeah. It's like his legs were like >> Yeah. It's like his legs were like spaghetti and jelly all in one and just spaghetti and jelly all in one and just spaghetti and jelly all in one and just the ball wouldn't move but um the ball wouldn't move but um

29:53the ball wouldn't move but um yeah, he was yeah, in training he just yeah, he was yeah, in training he just yeah, he was yeah, in training he just chopped people still and he was chopped people still and he was chopped people still and he was obviously a little bit slower which obviously a little bit slower which obviously a little bit slower which but he wouldn't look out of place at all but he wouldn't look out of place at all but he wouldn't look out of place at all so And what was the difference between so And what was the difference between so And what was the difference between him and Ancelotti? How do you sort of him and Ancelotti? How do you sort of

30:03him and Ancelotti? How do you sort of compare those two? I would say compare those two? I would say compare those two? I would say his main thing was the respect he got as his main thing was the respect he got as his main thing was the respect he got as from what he was a player and people from what he was a player and people from what he was a player and people would respect that and work hard. would respect that and work hard. would respect that and work hard. Obviously you're also at Real Madrid you Obviously you're also at Real Madrid you Obviously you're also at Real Madrid you can't just can't just can't just fob it off like maybe you see in some fob it off like maybe you see in some

30:16fob it off like maybe you see in some other teams but other teams but other teams but Carlo was just his man management was Carlo was just his man management was Carlo was just his man management was like the best. If you weren't playing he like the best. If you weren't playing he like the best. If you weren't playing he would make you feel like you're still would make you feel like you're still would make you feel like you're still his best mate and his best mate and his best mate and >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. when he needed you he'd be like you've when he needed you he'd be like you've when he needed you he'd be like you've got to be ready and you'd just be ready

30:29got to be ready and you'd just be ready got to be ready and you'd just be ready and and and he just had that like he just had that like he just had that like amazing ability just to keep everybody amazing ability just to keep everybody amazing ability just to keep everybody together happy and together happy and together happy and just willing to do everything. That's just willing to do everything. That's just willing to do everything. That's the key at Madrid I'm guessing. It's not the key at Madrid I'm guessing. It's not the key at Madrid I'm guessing. It's not about training sessions. about training sessions. about training sessions. >> I've said it before you don't need to be

30:43>> I've said it before you don't need to be >> I've said it before you don't need to be a coach you don't Yeah, you don't need a coach you don't Yeah, you don't need a coach you don't Yeah, you don't need to be a coach you just need to manage to be a coach you just need to manage to be a coach you just need to manage this group of players this group of players this group of players and let them do what they do. Of course and let them do what they do. Of course and let them do what they do. Of course there's a few tactical things that he there's a few tactical things that he there's a few tactical things that he does does does it's just it's just not so much. He

30:56it's just it's just not so much. He it's just it's just not so much. He doesn't need to doesn't need to doesn't need to >> It's a very different club Real Madrid. >> It's a very different club Real Madrid. >> It's a very different club Real Madrid. I mean because every other club has a I mean because every other club has a I mean because every other club has a you think of it as a sort of philosophy you think of it as a sort of philosophy you think of it as a sort of philosophy but the philosophy at Madrid is how do but the philosophy at Madrid is how do but the philosophy at Madrid is how do you handle these massive personalities you handle these massive personalities

31:04you handle these massive personalities and characters and win the Champions and characters and win the Champions and characters and win the Champions League, isn't it? So it's League, isn't it? So it's League, isn't it? So it's they're not necessarily the best they're not necessarily the best they're not necessarily the best tactical coaches that Real Madrid have tactical coaches that Real Madrid have tactical coaches that Real Madrid have but they have people who are great man but they have people who are great man but they have people who are great man managers. They're they're actually old managers. They're they're actually old

31:12managers. They're they're actually old school managers, aren't they? Yeah, school managers, aren't they? Yeah, school managers, aren't they? Yeah, which is why I I when Xabi Alonso got which is why I I when Xabi Alonso got which is why I I when Xabi Alonso got sacked recently I was like it doesn't sacked recently I was like it doesn't sacked recently I was like it doesn't surprise me. If you're trying to do too surprise me. If you're trying to do too surprise me. If you're trying to do too much much much >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. players don't want to players don't want to players don't want to You do too much. You do too much. You do too much. >> and Mbappé don't want to be going back

31:24>> and Mbappé don't want to be going back >> and Mbappé don't want to be going back there and they want to play their game there and they want to play their game there and they want to play their game and win a game for you. They don't want and win a game for you. They don't want and win a game for you. They don't want to defend and win a game for you. So to defend and win a game for you. So to defend and win a game for you. So yeah, you just need to be a great man yeah, you just need to be a great man yeah, you just need to be a great man manager. manager. manager. You don't have to be the most amazing You don't have to be the most amazing

31:35You don't have to be the most amazing tactician and just it's just as simple tactician and just it's just as simple tactician and just it's just as simple as as as keep as many players you can happy. You keep as many players you can happy. You keep as many players you can happy. You obviously know you're not going to keep obviously know you're not going to keep obviously know you're not going to keep everyone happy but just everyone happy but just everyone happy but just let them do what they do. You'll let them do what they do. You'll let them do what they do. You'll after it was always like can we outscore after it was always like can we outscore

31:47after it was always like can we outscore the opposition more or less and we might the opposition more or less and we might the opposition more or less and we might win 7-3 but we would win. win 7-3 but we would win. win 7-3 but we would win. And even the the fans were so demanding. And even the the fans were so demanding. And even the the fans were so demanding. I remember a game I think it was against I remember a game I think it was against I remember a game I think it was against Sevilla we were like 5-6 nil up. Sevilla we were like 5-6 nil up. Sevilla we were like 5-6 nil up. 60 minutes have gone we just started 60 minutes have gone we just started

32:0060 minutes have gone we just started like keeping the ball and just getting like keeping the ball and just getting like keeping the ball and just getting whistled and we're like they want 7-8 whistled and we're like they want 7-8 whistled and we're like they want 7-8 nil. They're like they you can't stop. nil. They're like they you can't stop. nil. They're like they you can't stop. Right. Right. Right. >> So >> So >> So yeah, it's just We think that's easy for yeah, it's just We think that's easy for yeah, it's just We think that's easy for a manager to do that at a big club going a manager to do that at a big club going

32:11a manager to do that at a big club going let almost let the players get on with let almost let the players get on with let almost let the players get on with it but it's hard because some managers it but it's hard because some managers it but it's hard because some managers would say I need to be doing more. Yeah, would say I need to be doing more. Yeah, would say I need to be doing more. Yeah, almost stay out of the way. Yeah, almost stay out of the way. Yeah, almost stay out of the way. Yeah, there you go though because like Not to there you go though because like Not to there you go though because like Not to be a bit of a I remember Arsène Wenger be a bit of a I remember Arsène Wenger

32:20be a bit of a I remember Arsène Wenger about this story when he first went to about this story when he first went to about this story when he first went to Arsenal when he first started watching Arsenal when he first started watching Arsenal when he first started watching the coaches he said to the coaches the coaches he said to the coaches the coaches he said to the coaches you're all talking too much. Just let you're all talking too much. Just let you're all talking too much. Just let the players get on with it and figure the players get on with it and figure the players get on with it and figure things out. Do you think it's to cover things out. Do you think it's to cover

32:28things out. Do you think it's to cover the back a little bit so say if somebody the back a little bit so say if somebody the back a little bit so say if somebody scores they're like we went through that scores they're like we went through that scores they're like we went through that in training [laughter] remember? No but in training [laughter] remember? No but in training [laughter] remember? No but sometimes sometimes sometimes I feel or who's watching me is somebody I feel or who's watching me is somebody I feel or who's watching me is somebody watching I've got to be seen to be doing watching I've got to be seen to be doing

32:37watching I've got to be seen to be doing something instead of a lot of the great something instead of a lot of the great something instead of a lot of the great manager going I trust what I'm doing. manager going I trust what I'm doing. manager going I trust what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Let them get on with it. >> Let them get on with it. >> Let them get on with it. >> Mhm. But still giving them obviously the >> Mhm. But still giving them obviously the >> Mhm. But still giving them obviously the right information but not right information but not right information but not not brainwashing you. I mean Carlo on not brainwashing you. I mean Carlo on

32:48not brainwashing you. I mean Carlo on Chelsea's been mentioned as a potential Chelsea's been mentioned as a potential Chelsea's been mentioned as a potential candidate for United. How do you think candidate for United. How do you think candidate for United. How do you think he would potentially fit in he would potentially fit in he would potentially fit in there? Do you think he would it would there? Do you think he would it would there? Do you think he would it would work or do you think you sense it might work or do you think you sense it might work or do you think you sense it might be a struggle for him? be a struggle for him? be a struggle for him? Well, he did well at Everton and they

33:01Well, he did well at Everton and they Well, he did well at Everton and they didn't have a great I think he would he didn't have a great I think he would he didn't have a great I think he would he would do great and he's not just a would do great and he's not just a would do great and he's not just a manager he is a coach as well. He can do manager he is a coach as well. He can do manager he is a coach as well. He can do the tactical stuff. When the tactical stuff. When the tactical stuff. When his son was then the head coach when in his son was then the head coach when in his son was then the head coach when in his second spell and he did a lot more his second spell and he did a lot more

33:14his second spell and he did a lot more tactically then tactically then tactically then um than we did the first time but I um than we did the first time but I um than we did the first time but I think we had a better team at the first think we had a better team at the first think we had a better team at the first time. Um time. Um time. Um but yeah, I think he would wherever but yeah, I think he would wherever but yeah, I think he would wherever Carlo goes I think he would do an Carlo goes I think he would do an Carlo goes I think he would do an amazing job just because he gets amazing job just because he gets amazing job just because he gets everyone on board and if you're going to

33:26everyone on board and if you're going to everyone on board and if you're going to a big club you've got good players a big club you've got good players a big club you've got good players whether they're performing at the time whether they're performing at the time whether they're performing at the time or not like Man United or not like Man United or not like Man United they have been the last few weeks but they have been the last few weeks but they have been the last few weeks but prior to that haven't been performing prior to that haven't been performing prior to that haven't been performing but they've got good players. He'll get but they've got good players. He'll get

33:36but they've got good players. He'll get the best out of players the best out of players the best out of players and will just simplify things which and will just simplify things which and will just simplify things which you see now with Michael Carrick he's you see now with Michael Carrick he's you see now with Michael Carrick he's simplifying a lot of things that the simplifying a lot of things that the simplifying a lot of things that the previous manager was doing and previous manager was doing and previous manager was doing and you're getting results so you're getting results so you're getting results so that's Carlo's genius is getting the that's Carlo's genius is getting the

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34:23>> What happened at the end with this with >> What happened at the end with this with the slogan that that upset the Madrid the slogan that that upset the Madrid the slogan that that upset the Madrid at Madrid fans? Was that was that the at Madrid fans? Was that was that the at Madrid fans? Was that was that the Wales golf and Madrid? Wales golf and Madrid? Wales golf and Madrid? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That was nothing to do with me. >> That was nothing to do with me. >> That was nothing to do with me. But that was when Wales qualified, But that was when Wales qualified, But that was when Wales qualified, wasn't it? Yeah, there was a flag called

34:36wasn't it? Yeah, there was a flag called wasn't it? Yeah, there was a flag called Wales golf and Madrid. The Spanish press Wales golf and Madrid. The Spanish press Wales golf and Madrid. The Spanish press created it. Oh my Again, you asked me created it. Oh my Again, you asked me created it. Oh my Again, you asked me just before we came on like how much did just before we came on like how much did just before we came on like how much did you play golf? I'm like I played I you play golf? I'm like I played I you play golf? I'm like I played I reckon I played once every two or three reckon I played once every two or three

34:46reckon I played once every two or three weeks. What at Madrid? Yeah. That's not weeks. What at Madrid? Yeah. That's not weeks. What at Madrid? Yeah. That's not bad. bad. bad. >> Well, that's what I mean but the problem >> Well, that's what I mean but the problem >> Well, that's what I mean but the problem is is is if you're the press and you keep writing if you're the press and you keep writing if you're the press and you keep writing something if you read something you something if you read something you something if you read something you believe it, right? So they created this believe it, right? So they created this believe it, right? So they created this kind of kind of

34:58kind of character the perception that I'm character the perception that I'm character the perception that I'm constantly playing golf. constantly playing golf. constantly playing golf. >> you're not really talking to them. >> you're not really talking to them. >> you're not really talking to them. >> No, no, so I'm not going to come out and >> No, no, so I'm not going to come out and >> No, no, so I'm not going to come out and defend myself. I just can't be bothered. defend myself. I just can't be bothered. defend myself. I just can't be bothered. It just creates a bigger Sometimes you It just creates a bigger Sometimes you

35:08It just creates a bigger Sometimes you add smoke to the fire and it just kicks add smoke to the fire and it just kicks add smoke to the fire and it just kicks off even more. So off even more. So off even more. So I never bothered with that and I would I never bothered with that and I would I never bothered with that and I would always have my own rule like I could always have my own rule like I could always have my own rule like I could never play 48 hours before a game. So if never play 48 hours before a game. So if never play 48 hours before a game. So if we played Saturday Wednesday was the we played Saturday Wednesday was the

35:18we played Saturday Wednesday was the last time I could play and that was just last time I could play and that was just last time I could play and that was just from my point of view because I'm I like from my point of view because I'm I like from my point of view because I'm I like to be professional and I would always to be professional and I would always to be professional and I would always do the things I need to do to be ready do the things I need to do to be ready do the things I need to do to be ready for a game. So for a game. So for a game. So again, it's just the media creating this again, it's just the media creating this

35:29again, it's just the media creating this thing and then it turns fans against you thing and then it turns fans against you thing and then it turns fans against you and then and then and then again it spirals out of control and again it spirals out of control and again it spirals out of control and again I it comes back to I could have again I it comes back to I could have again I it comes back to I could have come out and maybe gone come out and maybe gone come out and maybe gone uh but I feel like uh but I feel like uh but I feel like what's the point? what's the point? what's the point? You're one of the youngest guests we've You're one of the youngest guests we've

35:41You're one of the youngest guests we've had on. You're 36. Blew my mind before had on. You're 36. Blew my mind before had on. You're 36. Blew my mind before the the the thing. [laughter] thing. [laughter] thing. [laughter] Got to be older than that surely. Got to be older than that surely. Got to be older than that surely. I don't look that old, do I? It gets me. I don't look that old, do I? It gets me. I don't look that old, do I? It gets me. But thinking of that how we talk about a But thinking of that how we talk about a But thinking of that how we talk about a lot on here about how the modern player lot on here about how the modern player

35:54lot on here about how the modern player handles I mean you were under huge handles I mean you were under huge handles I mean you were under huge pressure. You're 85 million quid. You pressure. You're 85 million quid. You pressure. You're 85 million quid. You play at Real Madrid the most highly play at Real Madrid the most highly play at Real Madrid the most highly scrutinized club in the world. Social scrutinized club in the world. Social scrutinized club in the world. Social media to be fair has become quite media to be fair has become quite media to be fair has become quite prevalent in the last sort of like 10 prevalent in the last sort of like 10

36:05prevalent in the last sort of like 10 years. How do you handle that when years. How do you handle that when years. How do you handle that when you're playing? Do Are you on social are you're playing? Do Are you on social are you're playing? Do Are you on social are you on social media? Are you on your you on social media? Are you on your you on social media? Are you on your phone? Did you see all the players on phone? Did you see all the players on phone? Did you see all the players on the phone? I remember when I was younger the phone? I remember when I was younger the phone? I remember when I was younger in Southampton at the time in Southampton at the time in Southampton at the time I I

36:16I I read a review on the previous game and I read a review on the previous game and I read a review on the previous game and obviously I didn't play well and obviously I didn't play well and obviously I didn't play well and actually affected my confidence and I actually affected my confidence and I actually affected my confidence and I was like I'm not doing that again. I why was like I'm not doing that again. I why was like I'm not doing that again. I why would I do that? So I obviously you you would I do that? So I obviously you you would I do that? So I obviously you you hear stuff when you play bad and someone hear stuff when you play bad and someone

36:28hear stuff when you play bad and someone might mates might send me something might mates might send me something might mates might send me something funny that you're like actually that funny that you're like actually that funny that you're like actually that affects me a bit. affects me a bit. affects me a bit. But you don't say anything but yeah, so But you don't say anything but yeah, so But you don't say anything but yeah, so I learned pretty from pretty young that I learned pretty from pretty young that I learned pretty from pretty young that again everyone says if there's a hundred again everyone says if there's a hundred again everyone says if there's a hundred comments one's bad

36:41comments one's bad comments one's bad you're only going to focus on the bad you're only going to focus on the bad you're only going to focus on the bad one and and if it affects me playing one and and if it affects me playing one and and if it affects me playing why would I do that? So why would I do that? So why would I do that? So I was involved in my social media so if I was involved in my social media so if I was involved in my social media so if I was have to do pictures or put a post I was have to do pictures or put a post I was have to do pictures or put a post out I would be involved but I would send out I would be involved but I would send

36:54out I would be involved but I would send it to the person running it. And they it to the person running it. And they it to the person running it. And they would would would >> So and they would manage it. So I'm I'm >> So and they would manage it. So I'm I'm >> So and they would manage it. So I'm I'm technically still doing it all but I'm technically still doing it all but I'm technically still doing it all but I'm just not in it if you get what I mean. just not in it if you get what I mean. just not in it if you get what I mean. So I was quite critical probably five or So I was quite critical probably five or So I was quite critical probably five or six years ago of players who I felt were

37:07six years ago of players who I felt were six years ago of players who I felt were the posts weren't authentic because they the posts weren't authentic because they the posts weren't authentic because they were not you could tell it wasn't them were not you could tell it wasn't them were not you could tell it wasn't them because when they're doing an interview because when they're doing an interview because when they're doing an interview after the game you know what they are after the game you know what they are after the game you know what they are and then they put a post out and it and then they put a post out and it

37:15and then they put a post out and it seems like almost perfectly written and seems like almost perfectly written and seems like almost perfectly written and sort of everything was like amazing. sort of everything was like amazing. sort of everything was like amazing. When I when I think of it now probably When I when I think of it now probably When I when I think of it now probably five six years on I actually think that five six years on I actually think that five six years on I actually think that what you would what you're doing and the what you would what you're doing and the what you would what you're doing and the fact that they don't get to see it is

37:25fact that they don't get to see it is fact that they don't get to see it is absolutely the right thing. absolutely the right thing. absolutely the right thing. >> 100% 100% because like you said if it >> 100% 100% because like you said if it >> 100% 100% because like you said if it affects your confidence by just reading affects your confidence by just reading affects your confidence by just reading something you know if you've played bad something you know if you've played bad something you know if you've played bad in a football game you know if you've in a football game you know if you've in a football game you know if you've done something wrong or done something wrong or

37:36done something wrong or so if if it affects your performance so if if it affects your performance so if if it affects your performance you've got to be thinking of yourself you've got to be thinking of yourself you've got to be thinking of yourself and your team like what can make me and your team like what can make me and your team like what can make me perform the best the following week even perform the best the following week even perform the best the following week even if I am playing bad what can get me out if I am playing bad what can get me out if I am playing bad what can get me out of a slump is not reading anything of a slump is not reading anything

37:47of a slump is not reading anything negative is trying to negative is trying to negative is trying to just just just work on your game work on in training work on your game work on in training work on your game work on in training what you need to do and just prepare what you need to do and just prepare what you need to do and just prepare yourself as best you can mentally yourself as best you can mentally yourself as best you can mentally because because because you know you can do it it's just you know you can do it it's just you know you can do it it's just sometimes it's form sometimes it's sometimes it's form sometimes it's sometimes it's form sometimes it's whatever but whatever but

38:00whatever but yeah, just give myself the best yeah, just give myself the best yeah, just give myself the best opportunity to It's like they better get opportunity to It's like they better get opportunity to It's like they better get on it. on it. on it. Yeah. Some players literally addicted to Yeah. Some players literally addicted to Yeah. Some players literally addicted to the phones. Yeah. the phones. Yeah. the phones. Yeah. And it's hard to get off. And it's hard to get off. And it's hard to get off. >> It is. What you see that Tottenham >> It is. What you see that Tottenham >> It is. What you see that Tottenham period? There was a period at Tottenham

38:11period? There was a period at Tottenham period? There was a period at Tottenham they I can't remember that stat about if they I can't remember that stat about if they I can't remember that stat about if you play they won't win it or something. you play they won't win it or something. you play they won't win it or something. Yeah. I don't know what it was but like Yeah. I don't know what it was but like Yeah. I don't know what it was but like I was 24 games. I was 24 games. I was 24 games. >> Something like that. I know. Something >> Something like that. I know. Something >> Something like that. I know. Something like that. I know. So obviously you like that. I know. So obviously you

38:20like that. I know. So obviously you don't read so how you feeling through don't read so how you feeling through don't read so how you feeling through that and when did No, so this is that and when did No, so this is that and when did No, so this is perfect. perfect. perfect. >> Manager would be telling them don't >> Manager would be telling them don't >> Manager would be telling them don't worry. worry. worry. >> I think it was >> I think it was >> I think it was it was with it was with it was with >> with Harry? It was with Harry, yeah. >> with Harry? It was with Harry, yeah. >> with Harry? It was with Harry, yeah. >> Left back or left wing? Yeah, I was left

38:30>> Left back or left wing? Yeah, I was left >> Left back or left wing? Yeah, I was left back. back. back. >> or left back? >> or left back? >> or left back? >> Left back, yeah. So it was one of the >> Left back, yeah. So it was one of the >> Left back, yeah. So it was one of the boys I I still remember it in we were boys I I still remember it in we were boys I I still remember it in we were having a pre-match at the stadium White having a pre-match at the stadium White having a pre-match at the stadium White Hart Lane and they were like you know Hart Lane and they were like you know Hart Lane and they were like you know you haven't won 19 games. I was like Oh,

38:40you haven't won 19 games. I was like Oh, you haven't won 19 games. I was like Oh, mate. I actually didn't know. I was like mate. I actually didn't know. I was like mate. I actually didn't know. I was like oh, brilliant. oh, brilliant. oh, brilliant. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Oh, no, no, no, no. Wicked. That's all I >> Oh, no, no, no, no. Wicked. That's all I >> Oh, no, no, no, no. Wicked. That's all I need and then it kind of became a little need and then it kind of became a little need and then it kind of became a little bit of a joke. Um but again I didn't bit of a joke. Um but again I didn't bit of a joke. Um but again I didn't know most of the way that it was

38:51know most of the way that it was know most of the way that it was happening so it kind of helped me in a happening so it kind of helped me in a happening so it kind of helped me in a way but we didn't lose them all. We did way but we didn't lose them all. We did way but we didn't lose them all. We did draw most of them. Um draw most of them. Um draw most of them. Um but um but um but um yeah, going then going through that it yeah, going then going through that it yeah, going then going through that it was probably like a six weeks period was probably like a six weeks period was probably like a six weeks period that I kind of knew about it. It didn't that I kind of knew about it. It didn't

39:04that I kind of knew about it. It didn't help. Um but then the boys would joke help. Um but then the boys would joke help. Um but then the boys would joke about it so you you'd laugh around them about it so you you'd laugh around them about it so you you'd laugh around them but inside you're like No, I know. but inside you're like No, I know. but inside you're like No, I know. Cristiano is somewhat similar if you Cristiano is somewhat similar if you Cristiano is somewhat similar if you remember the Champions League he didn't remember the Champions League he didn't remember the Champions League he didn't score in his first 30 Champions League score in his first 30 Champions League

39:14score in his first 30 Champions League games. Did he not? games. Did he not? games. Did he not? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So I might be wrong. So I might be wrong. So I might be wrong. I might have made it up. It was I might have made it up. It was I might have made it up. It was something like I think. It was two something like I think. It was two something like I think. It was two minutes. minutes. minutes. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> But when you got seven games in then >> But when you got seven games in then >> But when you got seven games in then You got you got through that though. You got you got through that though.

39:26You got you got through that though. When when did that that Gareth Bale come When when did that that Gareth Bale come When when did that that Gareth Bale come cuz all of a sudden you just like cuz all of a sudden you just like cuz all of a sudden you just like exploded on you know what I mean? exploded on you know what I mean? exploded on you know what I mean? >> Harry put me on. We were winning 4-0 >> Harry put me on. We were winning 4-0 >> Harry put me on. We were winning 4-0 against Burnley. He was like look if you against Burnley. He was like look if you against Burnley. He was like look if you lose this you ain't lose this you ain't lose this you ain't >> [laughter] >> [laughter]

39:36>> [laughter] >> He literally said that to me as I came >> He literally said that to me as I came >> He literally said that to me as I came off the bench. And we had to win 5-0 so off the bench. And we had to win 5-0 so off the bench. And we had to win 5-0 so I was like well, it's done now. And I I I was like well, it's done now. And I I I was like well, it's done now. And I I think he said he spoke with Sir Alex think he said he spoke with Sir Alex think he said he spoke with Sir Alex about about about the kind of jinx and Sir Alex was like, the kind of jinx and Sir Alex was like, the kind of jinx and Sir Alex was like, "I wouldn't play him." So, "I wouldn't play him." So,

39:47"I wouldn't play him." So, >> [laughter]

39:54>> So, yeah, he kind of got that kind of >> So, yeah, he kind of got that kind of dead and buried and then yeah, Inter dead and buried and then yeah, Inter dead and buried and then yeah, Inter Milan was a big one, wasn't it? Yeah, Milan was a big one, wasn't it? Yeah, Milan was a big one, wasn't it? Yeah, that that was probably the biggest in that that was probably the biggest in that that was probably the biggest in terms of like my realization where I terms of like my realization where I terms of like my realization where I could go and what I could do. That was could go and what I could do. That was could go and what I could do. That was my biggest game in terms of I proved to

40:07my biggest game in terms of I proved to my biggest game in terms of I proved to myself that I can myself that I can myself that I can beat the best kind of top level. That beat the best kind of top level. That beat the best kind of top level. That was an amazing was an amazing was an amazing I I remember you early on and you were I I remember you early on and you were I I remember you early on and you were you were really good runner. you were really good runner. you were really good runner. Yeah. But if you just said you'd be five Yeah. But if you just said you'd be five Yeah. But if you just said you'd be five Champions Leagues when you first see you

40:19Champions Leagues when you first see you Champions Leagues when you first see you that was just a massive transformation. that was just a massive transformation. that was just a massive transformation. Is that the moment the sort of the Inter Is that the moment the sort of the Inter Is that the moment the sort of the Inter Milan game that sort of like it just Milan game that sort of like it just Milan game that sort of like it just goes like a flip a switch flicks type goes like a flip a switch flicks type goes like a flip a switch flicks type thing? thing? thing? >> Yeah, and >> Yeah, and >> Yeah, and you naturally progress, especially when you naturally progress, especially when

40:29you naturally progress, especially when you're a youngster and play there's no you're a youngster and play there's no you're a youngster and play there's no like like like you can't change playing games. You can you can't change playing games. You can you can't change playing games. You can train all you want, you can do extra train all you want, you can do extra train all you want, you can do extra practice. Unless you play games, practice. Unless you play games, practice. Unless you play games, you're not getting better. Your touch you're not getting better. Your touch you're not getting better. Your touch might be a little bit better under might be a little bit better under

40:39might be a little bit better under pressure. You don't get better unless pressure. You don't get better unless pressure. You don't get better unless you play games. you play games. you play games. And it was just obviously a natural And it was just obviously a natural And it was just obviously a natural progression, but progression, but progression, but I then got moved up to left midfield and I then got moved up to left midfield and I then got moved up to left midfield and then again, you need a couple of those then again, you need a couple of those then again, you need a couple of those games to like, right, I can games to like, right, I can

40:53games to like, right, I can do this against anybody and then do this against anybody and then do this against anybody and then again, another funny story. We were on a again, another funny story. We were on a again, another funny story. We were on a on the coach going to the Milan game on the coach going to the Milan game on the coach going to the Milan game away at San Siro. Jermaine Jenas away at San Siro. Jermaine Jenas away at San Siro. Jermaine Jenas obviously you I think you guys had obviously you I think you guys had obviously you I think you guys had played England Brazil and he was like, played England Brazil and he was like,

41:05played England Brazil and he was like, "This right back is just "This right back is just "This right back is just out of this world. He doesn't stop out of this world. He doesn't stop out of this world. He doesn't stop running." I'm like, running." I'm like, running." I'm like, Yeah, Maicon. I'm like, >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That's the Well, that's the boy there. >> That's the Well, that's the boy there. >> That's the Well, that's the boy there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, "Oh, this" I was like, And he was like, "Oh, this" I was like, And he was like, "Oh, this" I was like, in my head I'm like, in my head I'm like, in my head I'm like, >> [laughter] >> [laughter]

41:20>> [laughter] >> tough today. Um and then you run at him >> tough today. Um and then you run at him >> tough today. Um and then you run at him once and you realize he can't really once and you realize he can't really once and you realize he can't really defend that well. He's a great attacking defend that well. He's a great attacking defend that well. He's a great attacking full back, but you run him that way and full back, but you run him that way and full back, but you run him that way and I can run. So, I just kept running at I can run. So, I just kept running at I can run. So, I just kept running at him and then you soon realize you're him and then you soon realize you're

41:32him and then you soon realize you're getting the better of him and you do getting the better of him and you do getting the better of him and you do this, you do that and then I'll score a this, you do that and then I'll score a this, you do that and then I'll score a hat-trick is you obviously need a bit of hat-trick is you obviously need a bit of hat-trick is you obviously need a bit of luck with it as well, but then luck with it as well, but then luck with it as well, but then you kind of realize that he just said you kind of realize that he just said you kind of realize that he just said he's the best right back in the world. he's the best right back in the world.

41:44he's the best right back in the world. I've just kind of destroyed him. I've just kind of destroyed him. I've just kind of destroyed him. He's just putting the two two together. He's just putting the two two together. He's just putting the two two together. My confidence has gone up here. I now My confidence has gone up here. I now My confidence has gone up here. I now think, all right, think, all right, think, all right, well, I can do this against anybody and well, I can do this against anybody and well, I can do this against anybody and then you're at your ceiling goes a bit then you're at your ceiling goes a bit

41:56then you're at your ceiling goes a bit higher and then your confidence goes and higher and then your confidence goes and higher and then your confidence goes and you just keep growing again and it kind you just keep growing again and it kind you just keep growing again and it kind of was that like I said, it was that of was that like I said, it was that of was that like I said, it was that moment that I realized that I could moment that I realized that I could moment that I realized that I could that there was no kind of ceiling that there was no kind of ceiling that there was no kind of ceiling anymore. You always had that talent anymore. You always had that talent

42:06anymore. You always had that talent obviously at Southampton, but it's great obviously at Southampton, but it's great obviously at Southampton, but it's great then to see you conquer. We've seen a then to see you conquer. We've seen a then to see you conquer. We've seen a lot of kids with lots of talent and they lot of kids with lots of talent and they lot of kids with lots of talent and they don't kick on. don't kick on. don't kick on. >> Yeah. So, that these experience you had >> Yeah. So, that these experience you had >> Yeah. So, that these experience you had cuz a lot of clubs are watching you at cuz a lot of clubs are watching you at

42:16cuz a lot of clubs are watching you at Southampton and nobody was there's still Southampton and nobody was there's still Southampton and nobody was there's still that doubt I'm sure about it cuz you that doubt I'm sure about it cuz you that doubt I'm sure about it cuz you were so young. No, no, sure. And I was a were so young. No, no, sure. And I was a were so young. No, no, sure. And I was a left back, so you don't really get the left back, so you don't really get the left back, so you don't really get the publicity, but publicity, but publicity, but I remember playing against you at I remember playing against you at I remember playing against you at Sunderland. Scored in the last minute,

42:27Sunderland. Scored in the last minute, Sunderland. Scored in the last minute, yeah. yeah. yeah. >> [laughter] >> I was waiting for one of those on the >> I was waiting for one of those on the >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Well, you deserved that equalizer I have >> Well, you deserved that equalizer I have >> Well, you deserved that equalizer I have to say. You were very good. to say. You were very good. to say. You were very good. But yeah, it was But yeah, it was But yeah, it was Again, I I everyone has their own path Again, I I everyone has their own path Again, I I everyone has their own path and their own journey. and their own journey.

42:43and their own journey. Um mine was just slightly different, but Um mine was just slightly different, but Um mine was just slightly different, but again, again, again, not everybody's going to be this born not everybody's going to be this born not everybody's going to be this born superstar and superstar and superstar and the expectations are from a kid, you're the expectations are from a kid, you're the expectations are from a kid, you're like this next best thing and like this next best thing and like this next best thing and but I think it in a way helped me. I I but I think it in a way helped me. I I but I think it in a way helped me. I I always just saw I'm this kid from Wales

42:59always just saw I'm this kid from Wales always just saw I'm this kid from Wales that that that why am I here kind of thing, but why am I here kind of thing, but why am I here kind of thing, but always felt I had to prove myself and I always felt I had to prove myself and I always felt I had to prove myself and I think that probably made me who I am, think that probably made me who I am, think that probably made me who I am, made the player what I am and I just was made the player what I am and I just was made the player what I am and I just was able to just you whatever level I got able to just you whatever level I got

43:11able to just you whatever level I got to, I felt like I had to kept proving to, I felt like I had to kept proving to, I felt like I had to kept proving myself to everybody and even when I got myself to everybody and even when I got myself to everybody and even when I got there, I was like, I still got to keep there, I was like, I still got to keep there, I was like, I still got to keep proving it. So, it kind of made me stay proving it. So, it kind of made me stay proving it. So, it kind of made me stay at the top a bit longer as well, I think at the top a bit longer as well, I think at the top a bit longer as well, I think just having that. And you were playing

43:22just having that. And you were playing just having that. And you were playing week in week out. I think that helps, week in week out. I think that helps, week in week out. I think that helps, you know, cuz as a young kid might go to you know, cuz as a young kid might go to you know, cuz as a young kid might go to a big club too soon. You're a squad a big club too soon. You're a squad a big club too soon. You're a squad player, you were getting them player, you were getting them player, you were getting them experiences. So, at Southampton, I had experiences. So, at Southampton, I had experiences. So, at Southampton, I had the choice not the choice, but United

43:33the choice not the choice, but United the choice not the choice, but United came in for me at the time. came in for me at the time. came in for me at the time. Tottenham came in for me. United came in Tottenham came in for me. United came in Tottenham came in for me. United came in with a lower offer. with a lower offer. with a lower offer. Tottenham came in with a more money. I Tottenham came in with a more money. I Tottenham came in with a more money. I had to turn down United to go to had to turn down United to go to had to turn down United to go to Tottenham before I could just choose. Tottenham before I could just choose.

43:44Tottenham before I could just choose. So, you said no to United and Aaron So, you said no to United and Aaron So, you said no to United and Aaron Ramsey said no to United. Yeah. But the Ramsey said no to United. Yeah. But the Ramsey said no to United. Yeah. But the thing is you What's up with us? But if thing is you What's up with us? But if thing is you What's up with us? But if I'm if if you're a what was I? 17 at the I'm if if you're a what was I? 17 at the I'm if if you're a what was I? 17 at the time and I'm looking like, who's in my time and I'm looking like, who's in my time and I'm looking like, who's in my position? Okay. Am I actually going to position? Okay. Am I actually going to

43:57position? Okay. Am I actually going to play? play? play? Do I believe in my own ability? Do I believe in my own ability? Do I believe in my own ability? Yes. So, if I go to United, Yes. So, if I go to United, Yes. So, if I go to United, probably going to get loaned back. probably going to get loaned back. probably going to get loaned back. Don't know what's going to happen. If I Don't know what's going to happen. If I Don't know what's going to happen. If I go to Tottenham, they said I'm going to go to Tottenham, they said I'm going to go to Tottenham, they said I'm going to play. play. play. And I feel like at that time And I feel like at that time

44:12And I feel like at that time I was doing well in the Championship and I was doing well in the Championship and I was doing well in the Championship and I was ready for the next step. So, I I was ready for the next step. So, I I was ready for the next step. So, I trusted my ability to go to Tottenham to trusted my ability to go to Tottenham to trusted my ability to go to Tottenham to play and then I could potentially go to play and then I could potentially go to play and then I could potentially go to a Well, that's a smart move though in in a Well, that's a smart move though in in a Well, that's a smart move though in in brave at that time when United were brave at that time when United were

44:24brave at that time when United were winning trophies to say I'm going to go winning trophies to say I'm going to go winning trophies to say I'm going to go to Tottenham.

44:32Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know, of course. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know, of course. But there is that gamble, but I think But there is that gamble, but I think But there is that gamble, but I think with United it was basically we were with United it was basically we were with United it was basically we were going to loan you back, whereas going to loan you back, whereas going to loan you back, whereas Tottenham was like, Tottenham was like, Tottenham was like, not saying they go in to play me, but not saying they go in to play me, but not saying they go in to play me, but they want to play me. They think I'm they want to play me. They think I'm

44:41they want to play me. They think I'm ready for it now. So, ready for it now. So, ready for it now. So, I guess you see a lot of kids now they I guess you see a lot of kids now they I guess you see a lot of kids now they go straight to like a big club and you go straight to like a big club and you go straight to like a big club and you don't really see them again and you're don't really see them again and you're don't really see them again and you're like, if you trust in your ability, you like, if you trust in your ability, you like, if you trust in your ability, you need to need to need to you need to play. You need to play. And you need to play. You need to play. And

44:54you need to play. You need to play. And you need to go to a place that you can you need to go to a place that you can you need to go to a place that you can play. You might you might have to go play. You might you might have to go play. You might you might have to go back to the Championship to play to come back to the Championship to play to come back to the Championship to play to come back up, but you need to play first team back up, but you need to play first team back up, but you need to play first team football and that's the only way you can football and that's the only way you can football and that's the only way you can get better. Did you meet Sir Alex?

45:03get better. Did you meet Sir Alex? get better. Did you meet Sir Alex? I met him when I was a kid. Not but not I met him when I was a kid. Not but not I met him when I was a kid. Not but not No, no. I think he actually No, no. I think he actually No, no. I think he actually called my mum. Probably tapping up, but called my mum. Probably tapping up, but called my mum. Probably tapping up, but he's retired now, so it doesn't matter, he's retired now, so it doesn't matter, he's retired now, so it doesn't matter, but but but Tapping you up with your mum. Tapping you up with your mum. Tapping you up with your mum. >> [laughter]

45:20>> I hope IT WAS ME. >> I hope IT WAS ME. BUT YEAH, HE spoke to my mum, but we BUT YEAH, HE spoke to my mum, but we BUT YEAH, HE spoke to my mum, but we were again just wanted to go down the were again just wanted to go down the were again just wanted to go down the route of playing and trusting my ability route of playing and trusting my ability route of playing and trusting my ability and trusting the process of trying to and trusting the process of trying to and trusting the process of trying to get to the top. When you say about get to the top. When you say about get to the top. When you say about Southampton, obviously they've had some Southampton, obviously they've had some

45:32Southampton, obviously they've had some fantastic players, haven't they come fantastic players, haven't they come fantastic players, haven't they come through the youth system. What do you through the youth system. What do you through the youth system. What do you kind of put that down to? kind of put that down to? kind of put that down to? Um I always say So, where when you go as Um I always say So, where when you go as Um I always say So, where when you go as like a YTS a scholar, you move in with a like a YTS a scholar, you move in with a like a YTS a scholar, you move in with a family or you live in the area or family or you live in the area or

45:46family or you live in the area or whatever, but we all lived in one big whatever, but we all lived in one big whatever, but we all lived in one big house. All right. So, house. All right. So, house. All right. So, it was literally like you look back and it was literally like you look back and it was literally like you look back and I was like, Players all fashion digs, I was like, Players all fashion digs, I was like, Players all fashion digs, you mean? Yeah. So, there was what? 16 you mean? Yeah. So, there was what? 16 you mean? Yeah. So, there was what? 16 of us in one big house. Is that Theo of us in one big house. Is that Theo

45:57of us in one big house. Is that Theo Walcott? Yeah, yeah. And Lallana, Nathan Walcott? Yeah, yeah. And Lallana, Nathan Walcott? Yeah, yeah. And Lallana, Nathan Dyer, David Goldrick, Leon Best. Like we Dyer, David Goldrick, Leon Best. Like we Dyer, David Goldrick, Leon Best. Like we had a unbelievable team as well, which had a unbelievable team as well, which had a unbelievable team as well, which obviously helped, but we all used to obviously helped, but we all used to obviously helped, but we all used to live in one house. There was a family live in one house. There was a family live in one house. There was a family that looked after us. A cook and cleaner

46:09that looked after us. A cook and cleaner that looked after us. A cook and cleaner who came in. And we just had this insane who came in. And we just had this insane who came in. And we just had this insane environment where you'd all go in a environment where you'd all go in a environment where you'd all go in a minibus to training, the songs would minibus to training, the songs would minibus to training, the songs would blare and you train together, come home. blare and you train together, come home. blare and you train together, come home. You'd be playing pool, table tennis, You'd be playing pool, table tennis, You'd be playing pool, table tennis, eating together, watching football

46:20eating together, watching football eating together, watching football together. Brilliant. You'd have a great together. Brilliant. You'd have a great together. Brilliant. You'd have a great life at Golf? No golf. life at Golf? No golf. life at Golf? No golf. Not [laughter] then, not then. Do they Not [laughter] then, not then. Do they Not [laughter] then, not then. Do they still do that now at Southampton? No, still do that now at Southampton? No, still do that now at Southampton? No, it's it's stopped. I think it Well, we it's it's stopped. I think it Well, we it's it's stopped. I think it Well, we know the lodge is it's cuz the husband know the lodge is it's cuz the husband

46:31know the lodge is it's cuz the husband died of of the of the woman that looked died of of the of the woman that looked died of of the of the woman that looked after us. So, I think it kind of they after us. So, I think it kind of they after us. So, I think it kind of they all I imagine now are living They had all I imagine now are living They had all I imagine now are living They had other fosters as well. Digs where a lot other fosters as well. Digs where a lot other fosters as well. Digs where a lot of the young lads were all living in one of the young lads were all living in one of the young lads were all living in one house, yeah. But it definitely cuz you

46:40house, yeah. But it definitely cuz you house, yeah. But it definitely cuz you don't miss home, you don't get bored. don't miss home, you don't get bored. don't miss home, you don't get bored. You're constantly doing something like You're constantly doing something like You're constantly doing something like and then you build a closer relationship and then you build a closer relationship and then you build a closer relationship with the guys you're playing with in the with the guys you're playing with in the with the guys you're playing with in the under 18s reserve team and then I don't under 18s reserve team and then I don't

46:50under 18s reserve team and then I don't know, you just you seem like you're just know, you just you seem like you're just know, you just you seem like you're just having fun whilst you're getting better having fun whilst you're getting better having fun whilst you're getting better kind of rather than you go back to a kind of rather than you go back to a kind of rather than you go back to a digs. It's a weird family, stay in your digs. It's a weird family, stay in your digs. It's a weird family, stay in your room. You probably end up on your phone. room. You probably end up on your phone. room. You probably end up on your phone. And social media. Like but you probably

47:01And social media. Like but you probably And social media. Like but you probably know what else you're going to do. know what else you're going to do. know what else you're going to do. You're stuck in a room, you feel You're stuck in a room, you feel You're stuck in a room, you feel awkward. It's another family. Was it a awkward. It's another family. Was it a awkward. It's another family. Was it a big thing for you to leave home? Was it big thing for you to leave home? Was it big thing for you to leave home? Was it a big moment It's a big moment obviously a big moment It's a big moment obviously a big moment It's a big moment obviously for every Yeah, I I didn't think it was

47:10for every Yeah, I I didn't think it was for every Yeah, I I didn't think it was cuz I used to go down when I I think 13, cuz I used to go down when I I think 13, cuz I used to go down when I I think 13, I used to go down once a week and stay I used to go down once a week and stay I used to go down once a week and stay overnight there for for two years. overnight there for for two years. overnight there for for two years. So, they always like kind of bled it in, So, they always like kind of bled it in, So, they always like kind of bled it in, so it wasn't so it wasn't so it wasn't So, you got to know the family well. Um So, you got to know the family well. Um

47:23So, you got to know the family well. Um and it just wasn't then such a big shock and it just wasn't then such a big shock and it just wasn't then such a big shock and you know the other and you've always and you know the other and you've always and you know the other and you've always been around the other players cuz you're been around the other players cuz you're been around the other players cuz you're going to train with them couple of times going to train with them couple of times going to train with them couple of times well, once a week on a Tuesday. So, I well, once a week on a Tuesday. So, I well, once a week on a Tuesday. So, I would leave school would leave school

47:34would leave school on a on a on a Monday afternoon. I would then get a Monday afternoon. I would then get a Monday afternoon. I would then get a train up, train Monday evening with like train up, train Monday evening with like train up, train Monday evening with like my age group in Southampton. my age group in Southampton. my age group in Southampton. I'd stay overnight, train Tuesday in the I'd stay overnight, train Tuesday in the I'd stay overnight, train Tuesday in the morning afternoon with like the scholars morning afternoon with like the scholars morning afternoon with like the scholars and then travel back. Doesn't sound so and then travel back. Doesn't sound so

47:48and then travel back. Doesn't sound so simple that, does it? simple that, does it? simple that, does it? It yeah, it does, but it clearly works. It yeah, it does, but it clearly works. It yeah, it does, but it clearly works. The amount of players that came from The amount of players that came from The amount of players that came from that kind of generation as well that kind of generation as well that kind of generation as well speaks for itself, so. Were you always speaks for itself, so. Were you always speaks for itself, so. Were you always playing left back back then? Well, I was playing left back back then? Well, I was

48:03playing left back back then? Well, I was left midfield, went back. I was kind of left midfield, went back. I was kind of left midfield, went back. I was kind of like always bouncing back and forth like always bouncing back and forth like always bouncing back and forth whether from each year group. I think I whether from each year group. I think I whether from each year group. I think I always started left midfield. Towards always started left midfield. Towards always started left midfield. Towards the end I went to left back. Um and then the end I went to left back. Um and then the end I went to left back. Um and then even when I broke into the first team,

48:15even when I broke into the first team, even when I broke into the first team, they actually moved the left midfielder they actually moved the left midfielder they actually moved the left midfielder inside so I could have the whole left inside so I could have the whole left inside so I could have the whole left side to myself. side to myself. side to myself. But you enjoyed that areas to run into But you enjoyed that areas to run into But you enjoyed that areas to run into more than Yeah, and the suck is the more than Yeah, and the suck is the more than Yeah, and the suck is the game's in front of you. So, you can see game's in front of you. So, you can see

48:25game's in front of you. So, you can see everything and then I actually when I everything and then I actually when I everything and then I actually when I got moved to left midfield, I didn't got moved to left midfield, I didn't got moved to left midfield, I didn't really like it cuz all of a sudden you really like it cuz all of a sudden you really like it cuz all of a sudden you can't see everything and sometimes can't see everything and sometimes can't see everything and sometimes there's a player behind you, so it's there's a player behind you, so it's there's a player behind you, so it's just a different game. So, it took me a just a different game. So, it took me a

48:34just a different game. So, it took me a little bit of time to adjust to that. little bit of time to adjust to that. little bit of time to adjust to that. Um but I always had that attacking Um but I always had that attacking Um but I always had that attacking threat and I think when I went to threat and I think when I went to threat and I think when I went to Tottenham Tottenham Tottenham at the start I was just attacking. It's at the start I was just attacking. It's at the start I was just attacking. It's probably why we lost so much. probably why we lost so much. probably why we lost so much. But I would leave a massive gap behind But I would leave a massive gap behind

48:45But I would leave a massive gap behind cuz I'd always be attacking. So, cuz I'd always be attacking. So, cuz I'd always be attacking. So, again, Harry made the again, Harry made the again, Harry made the wise decision of taking most of the wise decision of taking most of the wise decision of taking most of the defensive responsibilities away from me defensive responsibilities away from me defensive responsibilities away from me and just let me attack, which worked out and just let me attack, which worked out and just let me attack, which worked out really well. really well. really well. Stick to [music] football is brought to Stick to [music] football is brought to

48:59Stick to [music] football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. What's your team at Tottenham when you What's your team at Tottenham when you first go there? Sort of under Harry cuz first go there? Sort of under Harry cuz first go there? Sort of under Harry cuz it's a good team, isn't it? it's a good team, isn't it? it's a good team, isn't it? >> So, I was with Martin Jol first. Yeah. >> So, I was with Martin Jol first. Yeah. >> So, I was with Martin Jol first. Yeah. Um so, we had it was Um so, we had it was Um so, we had it was like Ledley King, like Ledley King, like Ledley King, um Dawson, um Dawson, um Dawson, um Paul Robinson in goal. um Paul Robinson in goal.

49:21um Paul Robinson in goal. >> [laughter]

49:35>> Um we had um like Didier Zakora, Robbie >> Um we had um like Didier Zakora, Robbie Keane, Berbatov. Keane, Berbatov. Keane, Berbatov. Um Yes, Um Yes, Um Yes, So we had we had like we had a good team So we had we had like we had a good team So we had we had like we had a good team but but but >> it evolves into >> it evolves into >> it evolves into >> And then it evolves into like Modric >> And then it evolves into like Modric >> And then it evolves into like Modric comes, Van der Vaart, comes, Van der Vaart, comes, Van der Vaart, Palacios was always a good player for us Palacios was always a good player for us Palacios was always a good player for us in like that middle.

49:50in like that middle. in like that middle. Corluka, Lennon was obviously getting Corluka, Lennon was obviously getting Corluka, Lennon was obviously getting better as well. better as well. better as well. Then Crouch and Defoe and Then Crouch and Defoe and Then Crouch and Defoe and Yeah, just good signings. Did Modric Yeah, just good signings. Did Modric Yeah, just good signings. Did Modric struggle when he first went to struggle when he first went to struggle when he first went to Tottenham? Tottenham? Tottenham? A little bit just cuz of the physicality A little bit just cuz of the physicality A little bit just cuz of the physicality cuz he was small but again, a little bit

50:08cuz he was small but again, a little bit cuz he was small but again, a little bit of an adaptation period and then you of an adaptation period and then you of an adaptation period and then you would would would He was a winger at first, wasn't he? He was a winger at first, wasn't he? He was a winger at first, wasn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was always in front of me cuz he He was always in front of me cuz he He was always in front of me cuz he would come inside and I'd go would come inside and I'd go would come inside and I'd go >> [laughter] >> And then he stayed in there cuz I think >> And then he stayed in there cuz I think it was always like I was too small to

50:21it was always like I was too small to it was always like I was too small to play in the middle but then you give him play in the middle but then you give him play in the middle but then you give him the ball, brilliant. Just just drops a the ball, brilliant. Just just drops a the ball, brilliant. Just just drops a shoulder and that you don't need shoulder and that you don't need shoulder and that you don't need strength. Yeah. Talk about Tottenham cuz strength. Yeah. Talk about Tottenham cuz strength. Yeah. Talk about Tottenham cuz obviously I mean we've just this last obviously I mean we've just this last obviously I mean we've just this last weekend they've they're having a very

50:31weekend they've they're having a very weekend they've they're having a very tough time in tough time in tough time in they're in they're in they're in they're in danger they're in serious they're in danger they're in serious they're in danger they're in serious danger and it's been a prolonged I mean danger and it's been a prolonged I mean danger and it's been a prolonged I mean obviously they won a European trophy obviously they won a European trophy obviously they won a European trophy last season but it's been a prolonged last season but it's been a prolonged last season but it's been a prolonged period for a long time of a club period for a long time of a club

50:42period for a long time of a club that's under delivered to the size of that's under delivered to the size of that's under delivered to the size of it. What talk to us about it we had Ange it. What talk to us about it we had Ange it. What talk to us about it we had Ange Postecoglou on a couple weeks ago and Postecoglou on a couple weeks ago and Postecoglou on a couple weeks ago and obviously this weekend they've just he obviously this weekend they've just he obviously this weekend they've just he got two shots in his first game against got two shots in his first game against got two shots in his first game against Arsenal and it was it was disappointing.

50:53Arsenal and it was it was disappointing. Arsenal and it was it was disappointing. >> Yeah. What do you make of it cuz >> Yeah. What do you make of it cuz >> Yeah. What do you make of it cuz obviously you had a decent time there obviously you had a decent time there obviously you had a decent time there but why is this club great club not able but why is this club great club not able but why is this club great club not able to get over the line and not sustain to get over the line and not sustain to get over the line and not sustain success? I would say money. I would say money. Maybe they don't pay as much as Maybe they don't pay as much as Maybe they don't pay as much as a United uh

51:09a United uh a United uh You probably look at the wage bill it's You probably look at the wage bill it's You probably look at the wage bill it's it's lower and I think there's a reason it's lower and I think there's a reason it's lower and I think there's a reason for that. You can attract good players for that. You can attract good players for that. You can attract good players and I would say now you buy a 50 million and I would say now you buy a 50 million and I would say now you buy a 50 million pound player it's not what it used to pound player it's not what it used to pound player it's not what it used to be. be. be. You have to be spending 80, 90, 100 now

51:21You have to be spending 80, 90, 100 now You have to be spending 80, 90, 100 now just to get just to get just to get a good player. a good player. a good player. Um see maybe just it's the money and the Um see maybe just it's the money and the Um see maybe just it's the money and the wages you're not attracting that wages you're not attracting that wages you're not attracting that bigger player who bigger player who bigger player who can do a job here and now. They And also can do a job here and now. They And also can do a job here and now. They And also they always seem to buy young and hoping they always seem to buy young and hoping

51:35they always seem to buy young and hoping they're going to grow into something they're going to grow into something they're going to grow into something bigger which has worked in the past for bigger which has worked in the past for bigger which has worked in the past for example with me and a few other players example with me and a few other players example with me and a few other players but but but they're an established club now. They they're an established club now. They they're an established club now. They have the stadium, they have the training have the stadium, they have the training have the stadium, they have the training ground, they have the fan base. It's

51:46ground, they have the fan base. It's ground, they have the fan base. It's like they need to be buying bigger like they need to be buying bigger like they need to be buying bigger players and maybe paying a bit more but players and maybe paying a bit more but players and maybe paying a bit more but But to me they're reluctant to go the But to me they're reluctant to go the But to me they're reluctant to go the extra bit for the wages and not the extra bit for the wages and not the extra bit for the wages and not the extra bit there's still a lot of No, of extra bit there's still a lot of No, of extra bit there's still a lot of No, of course but it's like course but it's like

51:56course but it's like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is that maybe that bit of a gamble that Is that maybe that bit of a gamble that Is that maybe that bit of a gamble that you maybe need to take that they from a you maybe need to take that they from a you maybe need to take that they from a business point of view maybe not willing business point of view maybe not willing business point of view maybe not willing to do. I don't obviously know how to do. I don't obviously know how to do. I don't obviously know how they're doing financially but um they're doing financially but um they're doing financially but um Yeah, it seems to be that for me that's Yeah, it seems to be that for me that's

52:11Yeah, it seems to be that for me that's probably the biggest issue. They just probably the biggest issue. They just probably the biggest issue. They just don't sign the proven player. don't sign the proven player. don't sign the proven player. Whereas like I know Man United haven't Whereas like I know Man United haven't Whereas like I know Man United haven't been doing great but at least they're been doing great but at least they're been doing great but at least they're trying to sign the player that's the trying to sign the player that's the trying to sign the player that's the finished article or finished article or finished article or close to. close to.

52:22close to. And it just seems to be a bit like that. And it just seems to be a bit like that. And it just seems to be a bit like that. See now that Daniel Levy's gone so you See now that Daniel Levy's gone so you See now that Daniel Levy's gone so you can't blame him. It's it's it's the can't blame him. It's it's it's the can't blame him. It's it's it's the Lewis it's got They've got to change the Lewis it's got They've got to change the Lewis it's got They've got to change the ownership. It's it's got to be him now. ownership. It's it's got to be him now. ownership. It's it's got to be him now. You can't be like that top player that You can't be like that top player that

52:33You can't be like that top player that top level one. top level one. top level one. owner who could come in who's got that owner who could come in who's got that owner who could come in who's got that Abramovich energy. He he wants to win on Abramovich energy. He he wants to win on Abramovich energy. He he wants to win on the pitch and Tottenham have got the pitch and Tottenham have got the pitch and Tottenham have got everything in place so that's the everything in place so that's the everything in place so that's the manager that's the owner. I do think manager that's the owner. I do think manager that's the owner. I do think what they have done is amazing for the

52:45what they have done is amazing for the what they have done is amazing for the club and what they've built club and what they've built club and what they've built because you look at the club now from because you look at the club now from because you look at the club now from where it was, new stadium, new training where it was, new stadium, new training where it was, new stadium, new training ground, the fan base is is bigger than ground, the fan base is is bigger than ground, the fan base is is bigger than everyone actually realizes. everyone actually realizes. everyone actually realizes. Like I obviously really get on with them Like I obviously really get on with them

52:57Like I obviously really get on with them and I I obviously get on with them well and I I obviously get on with them well and I I obviously get on with them well as a family and and everybody but as a family and and everybody but as a family and and everybody but yeah, I think they've just come and yeah, I think they've just come and yeah, I think they've just come and taken over now in terms of Daniel's gone taken over now in terms of Daniel's gone taken over now in terms of Daniel's gone they've taken over so hopefully they've taken over so hopefully they've taken over so hopefully you might see that change. I hope I hope you might see that change. I hope I hope

53:10you might see that change. I hope I hope so but so but so but um but slightly just need to gamble um but slightly just need to gamble um but slightly just need to gamble maybe a bit more with maybe a bit more with maybe a bit more with I don't know other clubs maybe take a I don't know other clubs maybe take a I don't know other clubs maybe take a bit more of a risk financially but then bit more of a risk financially but then bit more of a risk financially but then I think they'll they'll I think they'll they'll I think they'll they'll bounce straight back up. bounce straight back up. bounce straight back up. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> The parachute money, isn't it?

53:30I think it's just that for the fans for I think it's just that for the fans for the fans' sake because like people keep the fans' sake because like people keep the fans' sake because like people keep saying that saying that saying that >> [laughter] >> No no no I weren't. >> No no no I weren't. No, actually I was in Brazil what are No, actually I was in Brazil what are No, actually I was in Brazil what are you talking about? you talking about? you talking about? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Arsene was filming me. He was filming me >> Arsene was filming me. He was filming me >> Arsene was filming me. He was filming me watching I was I was having a private

53:47watching I was I was having a private watching I was I was having a private moment. That wasn't him. I don't see moment. That wasn't him. I don't see moment. That wasn't him. I don't see him. him. him. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> No, but what I'm saying is in in >> No, but what I'm saying is in in >> No, but what I'm saying is in in respects of the Tottenham fans what they respects of the Tottenham fans what they respects of the Tottenham fans what they I I personally people talk about I I personally people talk about I I personally people talk about Tottenham going down this season there's Tottenham going down this season there's

53:58Tottenham going down this season there's a chance that they you know what I mean a chance that they you know what I mean a chance that they you know what I mean they're like I wouldn't want to see they're like I wouldn't want to see they're like I wouldn't want to see Tottenham Of course not. I wouldn't want Tottenham Of course not. I wouldn't want Tottenham Of course not. I wouldn't want to see Tottenham go down. But they to see Tottenham go down. But they to see Tottenham go down. But they could. Yeah could. Yeah could. Yeah in this proper in this moment right now in this proper in this moment right now in this proper in this moment right now because what I watched them the other

54:08because what I watched them the other because what I watched them the other day absolutely they could but I wouldn't day absolutely they could but I wouldn't day absolutely they could but I wouldn't like to see it. You know what I mean? My like to see it. You know what I mean? My like to see it. You know what I mean? My my hatred of Tottenham I've never had my hatred of Tottenham I've never had my hatred of Tottenham I've never had hatred of Tottenham. When I was young I hatred of Tottenham. When I was young I hatred of Tottenham. When I was young I was always Glenn Hoddle I loved Glenn was always Glenn Hoddle I loved Glenn

54:17was always Glenn Hoddle I loved Glenn Hoddle and I still do. So I never had Hoddle and I still do. So I never had Hoddle and I still do. So I never had hatred for him and everything like it's hatred for him and everything like it's hatred for him and everything like it's only when I went to Arsenal that just only when I went to Arsenal that just only when I went to Arsenal that just naturally comes in but I don't want to naturally comes in but I don't want to naturally comes in but I don't want to see Tottenham go down. No, it's Arsenal. see Tottenham go down. No, it's Arsenal. see Tottenham go down. No, it's Arsenal. That's a guarantee of six points for That's a guarantee of six points for

54:26That's a guarantee of six points for Arsenal. Arsenal. Arsenal. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Arsenal Arsenal as much as I hate >> Arsenal Arsenal as much as I hate >> Arsenal Arsenal as much as I hate Tottenham they need it for the rivalry Tottenham they need it for the rivalry Tottenham they need it for the rivalry for that Premier League. for that Premier League. for that Premier League. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. >> I didn't mind watching City go down. >> I didn't mind watching City go down. >> I didn't mind watching City go down. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You had a rivalry with Liverpool so >> You had a rivalry with Liverpool so

54:39>> You had a rivalry with Liverpool so you're all right. you're all right. you're all right. Gareth, when when that moment comes when Gareth, when when that moment comes when Gareth, when when that moment comes when you realize that you've obviously got to you realize that you've obviously got to you realize that you've obviously got to a a really high level and other clubs a a really high level and other clubs a a really high level and other clubs are coming in, which club's coming for are coming in, which club's coming for are coming in, which club's coming for you at that time around the point where you at that time around the point where

54:49you at that time around the point where you go to Real Madrid? Who's who's wants you go to Real Madrid? Who's who's wants you go to Real Madrid? Who's who's wants you? Who bids for you? United and Madrid you? Who bids for you? United and Madrid you? Who bids for you? United and Madrid were the two who Did you did you talk to were the two who Did you did you talk to were the two who Did you did you talk to United at that point as well? I didn't United at that point as well? I didn't United at that point as well? I didn't No, yeah I did talk to United, yeah. Um No, yeah I did talk to United, yeah. Um No, yeah I did talk to United, yeah. Um they actually they actually

55:01they actually Yeah, they actually bid more than Yeah, they actually bid more than Yeah, they actually bid more than Madrid. That was a big that was the big Madrid. That was a big that was the big Madrid. That was a big that was the big signing when Sir Alex Ferguson left. signing when Sir Alex Ferguson left. signing when Sir Alex Ferguson left. Yeah. Ed Woodward famously goes back Yeah. Ed Woodward famously goes back Yeah. Ed Woodward famously goes back from the tour I think it's in Australia from the tour I think it's in Australia from the tour I think it's in Australia to say we're signing Bale and Fabregas. to say we're signing Bale and Fabregas.

55:12to say we're signing Bale and Fabregas. Obviously for me going knowing they're Obviously for me going knowing they're Obviously for me going knowing they're not going to sign those I'm like well not going to sign those I'm like well not going to sign those I'm like well who are you signing? And it's like well who are you signing? And it's like well who are you signing? And it's like well I'm not going to So you were never going I'm not going to So you were never going I'm not going to So you were never going to United? Who did you speak to at the to United? Who did you speak to at the to United? Who did you speak to at the club at the time? I spoke with David

55:22club at the time? I spoke with David club at the time? I spoke with David Moyes. Moyes. Moyes. And with Ed Woodward or not? No, I And with Ed Woodward or not? No, I And with Ed Woodward or not? No, I didn't speak to him maybe my agent or didn't speak to him maybe my agent or didn't speak to him maybe my agent or whatever did but I spoke with David whatever did but I spoke with David whatever did but I spoke with David Moyes. Moyes. Moyes. But my heart was set on Madrid anyway But my heart was set on Madrid anyway But my heart was set on Madrid anyway and I had something in place with Daniel and I had something in place with Daniel

55:33and I had something in place with Daniel Levy more of a gentleman's agreement Levy more of a gentleman's agreement Levy more of a gentleman's agreement just to be life cuz he didn't want to just to be life cuz he didn't want to just to be life cuz he didn't want to sell me to a rival also he didn't want sell me to a rival also he didn't want sell me to a rival also he didn't want to strengthen another team. to strengthen another team. to strengthen another team. So if a team did come in from So if a team did come in from So if a team did come in from Spain, Italy, wherever, Germany, whoever Spain, Italy, wherever, Germany, whoever

55:44Spain, Italy, wherever, Germany, whoever it may be that He wanted you to go it may be that He wanted you to go it may be that He wanted you to go there. He could I could potentially go there. He could I could potentially go there. He could I could potentially go cuz if we didn't qualify for the cuz if we didn't qualify for the cuz if we didn't qualify for the Champions League which we didn't I was Champions League which we didn't I was Champions League which we didn't I was then able to then able to then able to go there. So we had that gentleman's go there. So we had that gentleman's go there. So we had that gentleman's agreement even though he made it very

55:54agreement even though he made it very agreement even though he made it very tough. tough. tough. Like he does. that if you didn't get in Like he does. that if you didn't get in Like he does. that if you didn't get in Champions League you could leave or No, Champions League you could leave or No, Champions League you could leave or No, but we it was a gentleman's agreement so but we it was a gentleman's agreement so but we it was a gentleman's agreement so it was it was it was it was more just that, yeah, but he it was more just that, yeah, but he it was more just that, yeah, but he stayed true to his word. So financially stayed true to his word. So financially

56:08stayed true to his word. So financially did was Man Man United offering the same did was Man Man United offering the same did was Man Man United offering the same similar money to Madrid? similar money to Madrid? similar money to Madrid? >> [laughter]

56:22>> Um >> Um I I think I chose the right one from the I I think I chose the right one from the I I think I chose the right one from the last last last >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Well, it was it 12 years? Um >> Well, it was it 12 years? Um >> Well, it was it 12 years? Um I didn't go down the wages route with I didn't go down the wages route with I didn't go down the wages route with United I didn't get that far. They United I didn't get that far. They United I didn't get that far. They offered more money offered more money offered more money to to to buy me um and a player but to to to buy me um and a player but

56:38to to to buy me um and a player but I didn't I didn't didn't really I didn't I didn't didn't really I didn't I didn't didn't really get any legs to be honest now. Yeah. get any legs to be honest now. Yeah. get any legs to be honest now. Yeah. So. So. So. Nice one. Again, chose right. Nice one. Again, chose right. Nice one. Again, chose right. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Can we just No no I'm not shocked. >> Can we just No no I'm not shocked. >> Can we just No no I'm not shocked. I was clear from the pref you know where I was clear from the pref you know where I was clear from the pref you know where you want to go for you I know you're a

56:50you want to go for you I know you're a you want to go for you I know you're a good option. good option. good option. >> No, for sure. Sometimes people four, >> No, for sure. Sometimes people four, >> No, for sure. Sometimes people four, five, six clubs but you're going to have five, six clubs but you're going to have five, six clubs but you're going to have them going there and that's Yeah. them going there and that's Yeah. them going there and that's Yeah. Again. And I had my heart set on it so Again. And I had my heart set on it so Again. And I had my heart set on it so once I spoke to him they reserved the once I spoke to him they reserved the

56:59once I spoke to him they reserved the number 11. I spoke with number 11. I spoke with number 11. I spoke with numerous people at the club. I knew numerous people at the club. I knew numerous people at the club. I knew Modric the year before who went Modric the year before who went Modric the year before who went which obviously helped me knowing that which obviously helped me knowing that which obviously helped me knowing that I've got somebody at least I can just I've got somebody at least I can just I've got somebody at least I can just kind of be with I guess cuz you go to a kind of be with I guess cuz you go to a kind of be with I guess cuz you go to a new club it's new club it's

57:13new club it's like who's your mates? You've got mates like who's your mates? You've got mates like who's your mates? You've got mates Was he good like that? Was he good for Was he good like that? Was he good for Was he good like that? Was he good for you? Yeah, and he was great for me. So you? Yeah, and he was great for me. So you? Yeah, and he was great for me. So yeah, and it's the player I played with yeah, and it's the player I played with yeah, and it's the player I played with most of my career which is not a bad most of my career which is not a bad most of my career which is not a bad one. Yes. Yes. Stick to Football [music] is brought to

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57:32Wales. Yeah. So Wales for a long time Wales. Yeah. So Wales for a long time was sort of the the country that was sort of the the country that was sort of the the country that couldn't qualify for tournaments and couldn't qualify for tournaments and couldn't qualify for tournaments and after you obviously transformed that after you obviously transformed that after you obviously transformed that really, didn't you? really, didn't you? really, didn't you? Yeah, it was it was a tough time when we Yeah, it was it was a tough time when we Yeah, it was it was a tough time when we when I first went in and again, John when I first went in and again, John

57:44when I first went in and again, John Toshack did a great job bringing the Toshack did a great job bringing the Toshack did a great job bringing the team I guess the youngsters in team I guess the youngsters in team I guess the youngsters in to get us 20s is always saying was to to get us 20s is always saying was to to get us 20s is always saying was to get us 20, 30, 40 caps so then we become get us 20, 30, 40 caps so then we become get us 20, 30, 40 caps so then we become an experienced team and we're quite an experienced team and we're quite an experienced team and we're quite young and what we can do. So he took a young and what we can do. So he took a

57:57young and what we can do. So he took a big gamble and I guess a risk which big gamble and I guess a risk which big gamble and I guess a risk which started that kind of started that kind of started that kind of I guess era of Welsh football and then I guess era of Welsh football and then I guess era of Welsh football and then it was very amateurly run like we would it was very amateurly run like we would it was very amateurly run like we would be coming down and eating a bacon be coming down and eating a bacon be coming down and eating a bacon sandwich walking down to training and sandwich walking down to training and sandwich walking down to training and >> [laughter]

58:19>> Well, we didn't have a fitness >> Well, we didn't have a fitness Dean Saunders would be taking the Dean Saunders would be taking the Dean Saunders would be taking the warm-ups. warm-ups. warm-ups. No and that like there was just yeah, No and that like there was just yeah, No and that like there was just yeah, there wasn't much of a structure and you there wasn't much of a structure and you there wasn't much of a structure and you could then soon realize why we didn't could then soon realize why we didn't could then soon realize why we didn't qualify for many tournaments. Um and qualify for many tournaments. Um and qualify for many tournaments. Um and then Gary Speed obviously came in and

58:32then Gary Speed obviously came in and then Gary Speed obviously came in and kind of brought that club culture kind of brought that club culture kind of brought that club culture the sports science in, got everything the sports science in, got everything the sports science in, got everything done, new hotel done, new hotel done, new hotel just everything done properly and just just everything done properly and just just everything done properly and just kind of built that foundation where kind of built that foundation where kind of built that foundation where obviously then it grew obviously the obviously then it grew obviously the

58:44obviously then it grew obviously the tragedy that happened but tragedy that happened but tragedy that happened but it then enabled the next manager and the it then enabled the next manager and the it then enabled the next manager and the next managers just to build off it and next managers just to build off it and next managers just to build off it and it then became it then became it then became people wanted to come and play for Wales people wanted to come and play for Wales people wanted to come and play for Wales and we looked forward to going away with and we looked forward to going away with and we looked forward to going away with Wales rather than like Wales rather than like

58:59Wales rather than like I'm sure it might have been similar with I'm sure it might have been similar with I'm sure it might have been similar with Ireland. Ireland. Ireland. And it's like And it's like And it's like as much as I love as much as I love as much as I love as much as I love as much as I love as much as I love playing for my country and there's no playing for my country and there's no playing for my country and there's no better thing to go away sometimes like better thing to go away sometimes like better thing to go away sometimes like you come from like being at Tottenham you come from like being at Tottenham

59:11you come from like being at Tottenham and Southampton it's like this amazing and Southampton it's like this amazing and Southampton it's like this amazing like you have everything given to you like you have everything given to you like you have everything given to you and provided for you and you go away and provided for you and you go away and provided for you and you go away with Wales you're like with Wales you're like with Wales you're like it's [snorts] just not really it's [snorts] just not really it's [snorts] just not really but that was the times back then and but that was the times back then and but that was the times back then and it's something that needed to happen we

59:23it's something that needed to happen we it's something that needed to happen we needed to grow needed to grow needed to grow and we did and and we did and and we did and then it kind of built that foundation to then it kind of built that foundation to then it kind of built that foundation to >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> make success I guess. Just talk to us >> make success I guess. Just talk to us >> make success I guess. Just talk to us about that in terms of because they rise about that in terms of because they rise about that in terms of because they rise experience that and obviously famously experience that and obviously famously

59:35experience that and obviously famously because of the standards obviously because of the standards obviously because of the standards obviously ended up how it did. But ended up how it did. But ended up how it did. But what would be the things that with Wales what would be the things that with Wales what would be the things that with Wales that you were seeing cuz this to be fair that you were seeing cuz this to be fair that you were seeing cuz this to be fair I have to say with England and we all I have to say with England and we all I have to say with England and we all play we Jill maybe not with yourself play we Jill maybe not with yourself

59:47play we Jill maybe not with yourself obviously with England in the early days obviously with England in the early days obviously with England in the early days you probably you probably you probably >> Definitely the latter days or definitely >> Definitely the latter days or definitely >> Definitely the latter days or definitely we got through it. Everything was we got through it. Everything was we got through it. Everything was perfect. Yeah so if there's no England perfect. Yeah so if there's no England perfect. Yeah so if there's no England player for all the failures in player for all the failures in player for all the failures in tournaments we had there's no England

59:56tournaments we had there's no England tournaments we had there's no England player could ever ever say we didn't get player could ever ever say we didn't get player could ever ever say we didn't get everything put on a plate for us in everything put on a plate for us in everything put on a plate for us in terms of travel, hotels, food, kit, terms of travel, hotels, food, kit, terms of travel, hotels, food, kit, everything was a meticulous everything was a meticulous everything was a meticulous >> the biggest difference from Ireland and >> the biggest difference from Ireland and >> the biggest difference from Ireland and Wales we don't have the funds to Wales we don't have the funds to

01:00:11Wales we don't have the funds to give us everything, build us St. give us everything, build us St. give us everything, build us St. George's Park we don't have that kind of George's Park we don't have that kind of George's Park we don't have that kind of money. We have to actually play well to money. We have to actually play well to money. We have to actually play well to make money. Yeah. But you want to see a make money. Yeah. But you want to see a make money. Yeah. But you want to see a bit of progress though. bit of progress though. bit of progress though. >> No you do and but also when you look >> No you do and but also when you look >> No you do and but also when you look back at it

01:00:22back at it back at it I don't again we're not the financial I don't again we're not the financial I don't again we're not the financial people we don't know you just don't know people we don't know you just don't know people we don't know you just don't know if you've got the money to do it but if you've got the money to do it but if you've got the money to do it but then you hope the government maybe would then you hope the government maybe would then you hope the government maybe would help and whatever but help and whatever but help and whatever but I think for us I think for us I think for us clearly they did have the money cuz Gary clearly they did have the money cuz Gary

01:00:34clearly they did have the money cuz Gary Speed got it out of them and it started Speed got it out of them and it started Speed got it out of them and it started something we built a training ground something we built a training ground something we built a training ground which ultimately ended didn't use it. which ultimately ended didn't use it. which ultimately ended didn't use it. Right. Um but then it kind of like built Right. Um but then it kind of like built Right. Um but then it kind of like built something. So he kind of probably what something. So he kind of probably what something. So he kind of probably what you were trying to do Gary Speed did you were trying to do Gary Speed did

01:00:47you were trying to do Gary Speed did um um um got the money to at least give us some got the money to at least give us some got the money to at least give us some sort of foundation and and give us sort of foundation and and give us sort of foundation and and give us something similar to what we have at our something similar to what we have at our something similar to what we have at our clubs and that bit of professional clubs and that bit of professional clubs and that bit of professional >> Sometimes that gives you a bit of spirit >> Sometimes that gives you a bit of spirit >> Sometimes that gives you a bit of spirit doesn't it? Yeah. Not quite Gareth is

01:00:59doesn't it? Yeah. Not quite Gareth is doesn't it? Yeah. Not quite Gareth is it? it? it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. When you look at Wales and Ireland gives When you look at Wales and Ireland gives When you look at Wales and Ireland gives you like a club feeling. Yeah. We were you like a club feeling. Yeah. We were you like a club feeling. Yeah. We were getting everything. We didn't really getting everything. We didn't really getting everything. We didn't really have that club feel. Remember we were in have that club feel. Remember we were in have that club feel. Remember we were in dressing rooms with England lads and dressing rooms with England lads and

01:01:08dressing rooms with England lads and France lads we'd be hearing all that. France lads we'd be hearing all that. France lads we'd be hearing all that. How are How are How are you getting on? you getting on? you getting on? We'd be picking up all them vibes. We'd be picking up all them vibes. We'd be picking up all them vibes. >> Private jets. Again with Ireland and >> Private jets. Again with Ireland and >> Private jets. Again with Ireland and Wales you're not looking for perfection Wales you're not looking for perfection Wales you're not looking for perfection but you want progress. Yeah. And it's but you want progress. Yeah. And it's

01:01:17but you want progress. Yeah. And it's not always about money or No it's not. not always about money or No it's not. not always about money or No it's not. having the equipment sometimes that's having the equipment sometimes that's having the equipment sometimes that's not millions of pounds. Yeah. And they not millions of pounds. Yeah. And they not millions of pounds. Yeah. And they had a challenge you We we had one size had a challenge you We we had one size had a challenge you We we had one size training kit you should have seen me in training kit you should have seen me in training kit you should have seen me in my first 16 my t-shirt was down to my my first 16 my t-shirt was down to my

01:01:28my first 16 my t-shirt was down to my arm. arm. arm. It's like a double XL so it fits It's like a double XL so it fits It's like a double XL so it fits everybody. So you were in the same everybody. So you were in the same everybody. So you were in the same training kit as John Hartson. Yeah. training kit as John Hartson. Yeah. training kit as John Hartson. Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Probably his training kit that's why >> Probably his training kit that's why >> Probably his training kit that's why they had to get double XL. they had to get double XL. they had to get double XL. But yeah even just little things like But yeah even just little things like

01:01:39But yeah even just little things like that like there was just one size kit so that like there was just one size kit so that like there was just one size kit so it fit at least everybody. Um it fit at least everybody. Um it fit at least everybody. Um yeah it [snorts] was just yeah it [snorts] was just yeah it [snorts] was just >> We had that at our home for a year. >> We had that at our home for a year. >> We had that at our home for a year. >> [laughter] >> But did you feel a lot of pressure >> But did you feel a lot of pressure playing for Wales because I feel like playing for Wales because I feel like playing for Wales because I feel like there was a lot of pressure on your

01:01:53there was a lot of pressure on your there was a lot of pressure on your shoulders because they needed you to shoulders because they needed you to shoulders because they needed you to play well to have any chance of play well to have any chance of play well to have any chance of succeeding? That's the one thing I never succeeding? That's the one thing I never succeeding? That's the one thing I never felt was the pressure. felt was the pressure. felt was the pressure. >> Never? No I I just loved playing for >> Never? No I I just loved playing for >> Never? No I I just loved playing for Wales and just loved Wales and just loved Wales and just loved and I think the one thing first we grew

01:02:07and I think the one thing first we grew and I think the one thing first we grew up together even under 17s 18s whatever up together even under 17s 18s whatever up together even under 17s 18s whatever it is we kind of it is we kind of it is we kind of what the ones who kind of went to the what the ones who kind of went to the what the ones who kind of went to the first team were kind of all playing first team were kind of all playing first team were kind of all playing together through those age groups so together through those age groups so together through those age groups so you just kind of grew up with everyone you just kind of grew up with everyone

01:02:19you just kind of grew up with everyone and just again I and I said about the and just again I and I said about the and just again I and I said about the Euros you feel like we're you're with Euros you feel like we're you're with Euros you feel like we're you're with your mates but your mates but your mates but you look forward to actually meeting up you look forward to actually meeting up you look forward to actually meeting up now you've got now you've got now you've got better kind of once all kind of the better kind of once all kind of the better kind of once all kind of the older guys went and the younger ones all older guys went and the younger ones all

01:02:30older guys went and the younger ones all kind of then naturally took over. kind of then naturally took over. kind of then naturally took over. It just become like oh I can't wait to It just become like oh I can't wait to It just become like oh I can't wait to meet up with Wales this is going to be meet up with Wales this is going to be meet up with Wales this is going to be fun we like be away for 10 days we were fun we like be away for 10 days we were fun we like be away for 10 days we were like we're going to play golf one day like we're going to play golf one day like we're going to play golf one day we'll be playing like table tennis pool we'll be playing like table tennis pool

01:02:42we'll be playing like table tennis pool we'll just be in each other's rooms we'll just be in each other's rooms we'll just be in each other's rooms and we again created that massive There and we again created that massive There and we again created that massive There was a lot of good support there a lot of was a lot of good support there a lot of was a lot of good support there a lot of good players coming through. good players coming through. good players coming through. And someone like you And someone like you And someone like you >> No of course. And Ramsey to be fair to >> No of course. And Ramsey to be fair to

01:02:52>> No of course. And Ramsey to be fair to him your stats for Wales over a number him your stats for Wales over a number him your stats for Wales over a number of years big goals big assist. of years big goals big assist. of years big goals big assist. You and Ramsey were like you were the You and Ramsey were like you were the You and Ramsey were like you were the standout people you needed a couple of standout people you needed a couple of standout people you needed a couple of people like that. Of course you do and people like that. Of course you do and people like that. Of course you do and then we we'd have like a good spine then we we'd have like a good spine

01:03:02then we we'd have like a good spine Wayne Hennessey was unbelievable for us Wayne Hennessey was unbelievable for us Wayne Hennessey was unbelievable for us in goal I don't think he gets enough in goal I don't think he gets enough in goal I don't think he gets enough credit but over 100 caps to have that credit but over 100 caps to have that credit but over 100 caps to have that goalkeeper that you trust and we had goalkeeper that you trust and we had goalkeeper that you trust and we had like Ashley Williams like Ashley Williams like Ashley Williams we had Joe Allen like the heart of we had Joe Allen like the heart of we had Joe Allen like the heart of midfield with me and Rambo

01:03:17midfield with me and Rambo midfield with me and Rambo were a bit more of the flair players and were a bit more of the flair players and were a bit more of the flair players and you know we could score and win you a you know we could score and win you a you know we could score and win you a game um and then we'd have players game um and then we'd have players game um and then we'd have players coming in Ben Davies would come in Chris coming in Ben Davies would come in Chris coming in Ben Davies would come in Chris Gunter always did a great job and we Gunter always did a great job and we Gunter always did a great job and we just had like a good spine and the rest

01:03:29just had like a good spine and the rest just had like a good spine and the rest would do a great job and we would do a great job and we would do a great job and we and there was no ego we would come we and there was no ego we would come we and there was no ego we would come we would turn up even if even though I was would turn up even if even though I was would turn up even if even though I was at Real Madrid it was just like at Real Madrid it was just like at Real Madrid it was just like it didn't matter if I played for League it didn't matter if I played for League it didn't matter if I played for League Two or Real Madrid it was like Two or Real Madrid it was like

01:03:40Two or Real Madrid it was like we're all the same. we're all the same. we're all the same. I mean you scored you played 111 games I mean you scored you played 111 games I mean you scored you played 111 games for Wales scored 41 goals but I mean for Wales scored 41 goals but I mean for Wales scored 41 goals but I mean these these statistics here between 2011 these these statistics here between 2011 these these statistics here between 2011 and 16 and 16 and 16 of all the goals Wales scored you either of all the goals Wales scored you either of all the goals Wales scored you either assisted or assisted or assisted or scored in 65% of them. There you go. And

01:03:58scored in 65% of them. There you go. And scored in 65% of them. There you go. And 2017 to 22 57% of all goals that Wales 2017 to 22 57% of all goals that Wales 2017 to 22 57% of all goals that Wales scored you either assisted or scored. scored you either assisted or scored. scored you either assisted or scored. I mean it's a monumental country is it I mean it's a monumental country is it I mean it's a monumental country is it is it I mean your five Champions Leagues is it I mean your five Champions Leagues is it I mean your five Champions Leagues like off the scale it doesn't even like off the scale it doesn't even like off the scale it doesn't even bear thinking about but is your greatest

01:04:11bear thinking about but is your greatest bear thinking about but is your greatest achievement what you actually achieved achievement what you actually achieved achievement what you actually achieved with Wales or would you put the the with Wales or would you put the the with Wales or would you put the the achievements with Real Madrid higher? achievements with Real Madrid higher? achievements with Real Madrid higher? Um it's tough because if you choose one Um it's tough because if you choose one Um it's tough because if you choose one you're going to annoy someone else so you're going to annoy someone else so you're going to annoy someone else so >> [laughter] >> [laughter]

01:04:20>> [laughter] >> they were both great they were both but >> they were both great they were both but >> they were both great they were both but they're different in different they're different in different they're different in different >> do what you did for your country I mean >> do what you did for your country I mean >> do what you did for your country I mean Yeah no 100% and I guess I think we were Yeah no 100% and I guess I think we were Yeah no 100% and I guess I think we were like 119th in the world when I first like 119th in the world when I first like 119th in the world when I first started we got to seventh which for a started we got to seventh which for a

01:04:32started we got to seventh which for a country of what 3.3 million is like country of what 3.3 million is like country of what 3.3 million is like and what we did and what we built and and what we did and what we built and and what we did and what we built and more of the friends and the friendship more of the friends and the friendship more of the friends and the friendship and the character we built was like and the character we built was like and the character we built was like again I I didn't feel any pressure cuz again I I didn't feel any pressure cuz again I I didn't feel any pressure cuz I'm playing with my mates I know they I'm playing with my mates I know they

01:04:46I'm playing with my mates I know they got my back I've got their back I'll run got my back I've got their back I'll run got my back I've got their back I'll run back just as much as him he'll run back just as much as him he'll run back just as much as him he'll run forward just as much as me forward just as much as me forward just as much as me and we were just all on the same page and we were just all on the same page and we were just all on the same page and and and I think everybody knew that me and Rambo I think everybody knew that me and Rambo I think everybody knew that me and Rambo were the ones who could were the ones who could

01:04:59were the ones who could create something so it was like the the create something so it was like the the create something so it was like the the team was geared towards us in terms of team was geared towards us in terms of team was geared towards us in terms of an attacking sense but we would defend an attacking sense but we would defend an attacking sense but we would defend just as much as the others we'd get back just as much as the others we'd get back just as much as the others we'd get back in our position because we we're not a in our position because we we're not a in our position because we we're not a Barcelona Real Madrid it's going to have Barcelona Real Madrid it's going to have

01:05:12Barcelona Real Madrid it's going to have 60 70% of possession we know probably 60 70% of possession we know probably 60 70% of possession we know probably most games we're going to have 30 maybe most games we're going to have 30 maybe most games we're going to have 30 maybe 40 max possession 40 max possession 40 max possession but we know we have moments and we know but we know we have moments and we know but we know we have moments and we know we'll take them and we know we'll score we'll take them and we know we'll score we'll take them and we know we'll score and we had the confidence and I think we and we had the confidence and I think we

01:05:23and we had the confidence and I think we were so good defensively as a team we were so good defensively as a team we were so good defensively as a team we felt especially in 2016 around that era felt especially in 2016 around that era felt especially in 2016 around that era just before just after that we were just before just after that we were just before just after that we were watertight. If we were losing a game it watertight. If we were losing a game it watertight. If we were losing a game it was by one maximum but we always knew was by one maximum but we always knew was by one maximum but we always knew that we could nick a game nick a result that we could nick a game nick a result

01:05:36that we could nick a game nick a result against anybody. against anybody. against anybody. >> see that with the Wales team as well >> see that with the Wales team as well >> see that with the Wales team as well because they obviously because they see because they obviously because they see because they obviously because they see the work that you two are doing so the work that you two are doing so the work that you two are doing so everybody kicks in right you understand? everybody kicks in right you understand? everybody kicks in right you understand? That would lift them the lads and they That would lift them the lads and they

01:05:46That would lift them the lads and they know they can nick a result. Cuz they know they can nick a result. Cuz they know they can nick a result. Cuz they know that they'll get And it comes down know that they'll get And it comes down know that they'll get And it comes down to ego you need to leave your ego at the to ego you need to leave your ego at the to ego you need to leave your ego at the door if you've got one because you've door if you've got one because you've door if you've got one because you've got to put a shift in cuz if you're that got to put a shift in cuz if you're that got to put a shift in cuz if you're that much of an underdog and we're not we're

01:05:57much of an underdog and we're not we're much of an underdog and we're not we're playing big big teams like Belgium who playing big big teams like Belgium who playing big big teams like Belgium who have the talent of beyond this world but have the talent of beyond this world but have the talent of beyond this world but we're beating them and we're draw we we're beating them and we're draw we we're beating them and we're draw we never lost to Belgium for a while and never lost to Belgium for a while and never lost to Belgium for a while and we just knew that we just knew that we just knew that to be successful we all had to do to be successful we all had to do

01:06:10to be successful we all had to do everything together and You could everything together and You could everything together and You could experience you mentioned them players experience you mentioned them players experience you mentioned them players lads they were as you said 50 60 70 80 lads they were as you said 50 60 70 80 lads they were as you said 50 60 70 80 caps they knew the game didn't they? caps they knew the game didn't they? caps they knew the game didn't they? Yeah exactly and I think again it Yeah exactly and I think again it Yeah exactly and I think again it started from putting us in early because started from putting us in early because

01:06:21started from putting us in early because we had 30 40 caps we still weren't a we had 30 40 caps we still weren't a we had 30 40 caps we still weren't a great team but all of a sudden we've got great team but all of a sudden we've got great team but all of a sudden we've got this experience players are doing well this experience players are doing well this experience players are doing well in their teams we're actually coming in their teams we're actually coming in their teams we're actually coming together all growing together we together all growing together we together all growing together we understand each other and then all of a understand each other and then all of a

01:06:31understand each other and then all of a sudden we're 23 24 we've all got 50 caps sudden we're 23 24 we've all got 50 caps sudden we're 23 24 we've all got 50 caps and now we know what to do we've got a and now we know what to do we've got a and now we know what to do we've got a style we know how to defend we know how style we know how to defend we know how style we know how to defend we know how to nick a goal we know how to see a game to nick a goal we know how to see a game to nick a goal we know how to see a game out which is for Wales is wild and then out which is for Wales is wild and then out which is for Wales is wild and then yeah it would just became that and then

01:06:45yeah it would just became that and then yeah it would just became that and then it did slightly change after 2016 it did slightly change after 2016 it did slightly change after 2016 because you do so well the expectation because you do so well the expectation because you do so well the expectation now is oh you're not the underdog now is oh you're not the underdog now is oh you're not the underdog anymore how do you do it we struggled anymore how do you do it we struggled anymore how do you do it we struggled with that a little bit straight after with that a little bit straight after with that a little bit straight after um um um but then got a bit of experience doing

01:06:58but then got a bit of experience doing but then got a bit of experience doing that and and got a bit better with that that and and got a bit better with that that and and got a bit better with that as well and we as well and we as well and we Yeah in 2016 which Yeah talk about that Yeah in 2016 which Yeah talk about that Yeah in 2016 which Yeah talk about that in a minute. in a minute. in a minute. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I remember you. >> I remember you. >> I remember you. It's to be fair we play Wales in the It's to be fair we play Wales in the It's to be fair we play Wales in the group game group game

01:07:13group game and we score in the last minute. and we score in the last minute. and we score in the last minute. >> Daniel Sturridge Daniel Sturridge scores >> Daniel Sturridge Daniel Sturridge scores >> Daniel Sturridge Daniel Sturridge scores and to be fair I get carried away. You and to be fair I get carried away. You and to be fair I get carried away. You went down the line didn't you? Yeah. went down the line didn't you? Yeah. went down the line didn't you? Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Did you see did you notice notice that >> Did you see did you notice notice that did you notice that? did you notice that? did you notice that? I didn't I was facing that way but I didn't I was facing that way but

01:07:29I didn't I was facing that way but The coach is Yeah yeah. The coach is Yeah yeah. The coach is Yeah yeah. It was quite a It was noticed cuz if you It was quite a It was noticed cuz if you It was quite a It was noticed cuz if you remember there was the famous shot of remember there was the famous shot of remember there was the famous shot of when Wales were watching England play when Wales were watching England play when Wales were watching England play against Iceland and they're all against Iceland and they're all against Iceland and they're all celebrating. celebrating. celebrating. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> And I was talking to you about it

01:07:41>> And I was talking to you about it >> And I was talking to you about it before. before. before. I mean it would have obviously you talk I mean it would have obviously you talk I mean it would have obviously you talk to us about that England game cuz to us about that England game cuz to us about that England game cuz obviously we won in the last minute that obviously we won in the last minute that obviously we won in the last minute that must have been a big blow for you and must have been a big blow for you and must have been a big blow for you and all of a sudden you have to recover all of a sudden you have to recover

01:07:49all of a sudden you have to recover don't you and go again. Yeah I know and don't you and go again. Yeah I know and don't you and go again. Yeah I know and we had a good result first game against we had a good result first game against we had a good result first game against Slovakia where we where we won which Slovakia where we where we won which Slovakia where we where we won which again we've gone into this tournament again we've gone into this tournament again we've gone into this tournament not really knowing not really knowing not really knowing for when what to expect what we're going for when what to expect what we're going

01:08:01for when what to expect what we're going to achieve we just go in there to try to achieve we just go in there to try to achieve we just go in there to try and and and do as best as we can we had no kind of do as best as we can we had no kind of do as best as we can we had no kind of expectation on us um expectation on us um expectation on us um then yeah to look obviously we knew you then yeah to look obviously we knew you then yeah to look obviously we knew you guys were big favorites to win and again guys were big favorites to win and again guys were big favorites to win and again it comes to where we probably didn't it comes to where we probably didn't

01:08:14it comes to where we probably didn't have a lot of possession we were trying have a lot of possession we were trying have a lot of possession we were trying like how can we nick a goal free kick like how can we nick a goal free kick like how can we nick a goal free kick corner counter attack whatever it is corner counter attack whatever it is corner counter attack whatever it is and to get to 1-1 and I think it was and to get to 1-1 and I think it was and to get to 1-1 and I think it was like 90 second minute to lose was like like 90 second minute to lose was like like 90 second minute to lose was like Yeah. a massive devastation especially Yeah. a massive devastation especially

01:08:25Yeah. a massive devastation especially to England and then to see you run down to England and then to see you run down to England and then to see you run down the side. the side. the side. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You were over the top of the railing. It >> You were over the top of the railing. It >> You were over the top of the railing. It was a scruffy goal as well. was a scruffy goal as well. was a scruffy goal as well. >> You were embarrassed by that though a >> You were embarrassed by that though a >> You were embarrassed by that though a little bit. Embarrassed is the wrong little bit. Embarrassed is the wrong

01:08:34little bit. Embarrassed is the wrong word I'm passionate about it I couldn't word I'm passionate about it I couldn't word I'm passionate about it I couldn't I know exactly I'd be embarrassed as I know exactly I'd be embarrassed as I know exactly I'd be embarrassed as well. well. well. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I'm passionate at the same time. >> I'm passionate at the same time. >> I'm passionate at the same time. Yeah well for a little bit now I Yeah well for a little bit now I Yeah well for a little bit now I wouldn't regret celebrating cuz I wouldn't regret celebrating cuz I wouldn't regret celebrating cuz I celebrated goals in the last minute

01:08:44celebrated goals in the last minute celebrated goals in the last minute always really United I would celebrate always really United I would celebrate always really United I would celebrate player yeah of course. Yeah but I see player yeah of course. Yeah but I see player yeah of course. Yeah but I see he's [laughter] a coach in the last he's [laughter] a coach in the last he's [laughter] a coach in the last minute you score a goal but you do look minute you score a goal but you do look minute you score a goal but you do look back now and think you know obviously back now and think you know obviously back now and think you know obviously Wales had the last laugh like you

01:08:54Wales had the last laugh like you Wales had the last laugh like you wouldn't believe I mean cuz you go on wouldn't believe I mean cuz you go on wouldn't believe I mean cuz you go on and We won that group as well and We won that group as well and We won that group as well just to let you know. I know you did. just to let you know. I know you did. just to let you know. I know you did. You scored a free Yeah yes. Yeah. Was You scored a free Yeah yes. Yeah. Was You scored a free Yeah yes. Yeah. Was that that that Joe Hart was it Joe Yeah Joe Hart. Where Joe Hart was it Joe Yeah Joe Hart. Where Joe Hart was it Joe Yeah Joe Hart. Where did you learn that free kick Gareth the

01:09:05did you learn that free kick Gareth the did you learn that free kick Gareth the wobbler it's the wobbler one wasn't it? wobbler it's the wobbler one wasn't it? wobbler it's the wobbler one wasn't it? Yeah I so I was when I was first at Yeah I so I was when I was first at Yeah I so I was when I was first at Spurs I used to do the curl I got bored Spurs I used to do the curl I got bored Spurs I used to do the curl I got bored with it so I then just started trying with it so I then just started trying with it so I then just started trying something different couple go in and something different couple go in and something different couple go in and then yeah I just found it more

01:09:16then yeah I just found it more then yeah I just found it more interesting doing then when they went in interesting doing then when they went in interesting doing then when they went in they looked better so they looked better so they looked better so probably wasn't I probably would have probably wasn't I probably would have probably wasn't I probably would have scored more curling ones if I kept going scored more curling ones if I kept going scored more curling ones if I kept going but but but I I just like doing it no one not many I I just like doing it no one not many I I just like doing it no one not many people could do it. people could do it.

01:09:28people could do it. So it kind of made you a bit unique. So it kind of made you a bit unique. So it kind of made you a bit unique. Obviously there was Frank Lampard, Obviously there was Frank Lampard, Obviously there was Frank Lampard, Cristiano, Juninho Cristiano, Juninho Cristiano, Juninho was the original. was the original. was the original. Juninho Juninho at Lyon won He did one from the halfway line with no He did one from the halfway line with no wall and it just goes in. wall and it just goes in. wall and it just goes in. I was like Did you practice them after every Did you practice them after every training cuz we were talking about that training cuz we were talking about that

01:09:49training cuz we were talking about that one when you were saying about David one when you were saying about David one when you were saying about David Beckham. Did you practice a lot? Beckham. Did you practice a lot? Beckham. Did you practice a lot? >> I practice I wouldn't I didn't practice >> I practice I wouldn't I didn't practice >> I practice I wouldn't I didn't practice as much as me. I don't know if you know as much as me. I don't know if you know as much as me. I don't know if you know how much he actually did practice cuz how much he actually did practice cuz how much he actually did practice cuz you practice too much your quad starts you practice too much your quad starts

01:10:00you practice too much your quad starts ripping in half. So I would always do a ripping in half. So I would always do a ripping in half. So I would always do a couple after training couple after training couple after training maybe like 10 15 cuz you do too much you maybe like 10 15 cuz you do too much you maybe like 10 15 cuz you do too much you start fatigue and training the next day start fatigue and training the next day start fatigue and training the next day you walk around with the broken hip. So you walk around with the broken hip. So you walk around with the broken hip. So Um yeah, I would always practice them. I Um yeah, I would always practice them. I

01:10:12Um yeah, I would always practice them. I just just just again you love shooting especially when again you love shooting especially when again you love shooting especially when you're younger. you're younger. you're younger. Um and then as you get a bit older you Um and then as you get a bit older you Um and then as you get a bit older you start to do it just day before a game start to do it just day before a game start to do it just day before a game you do like five six just to get the you do like five six just to get the you do like five six just to get the feel. feel. feel. Um just always just ticking over really Um just always just ticking over really

01:10:23Um just always just ticking over really never doing too much where never doing too much where never doing too much where if you're 10 11 12 you can if you're 10 11 12 you can if you're 10 11 12 you can Cristiano let you take any of them. It Cristiano let you take any of them. It Cristiano let you take any of them. It It was a It was a It was a It was basically on the left it was him, It was basically on the left it was him, It was basically on the left it was him, on the right it was me and in the middle on the right it was me and in the middle on the right it was me and in the middle was normally him. was normally him. was normally him. >> [laughter]

01:10:42>> It was sometimes a little bit rock paper >> It was sometimes a little bit rock paper scissors but it depends what mood he was scissors but it depends what mood he was scissors but it depends what mood he was in. If he'd scored two he might let me in. If he'd scored two he might let me in. If he'd scored two he might let me but Did you have a go then? Talk about but Did you have a go then? Talk about but Did you have a go then? Talk about ego. You were surrounded by like the ego. You were surrounded by like the ego. You were surrounded by like the biggest club with the biggest ego in biggest club with the biggest ego in

01:10:52biggest club with the biggest ego in terms of Real Madrid but you've kept so terms of Real Madrid but you've kept so terms of Real Madrid but you've kept so grounded. How have you kept so grounded? grounded. How have you kept so grounded? grounded. How have you kept so grounded? Is it come from your childhood, your Is it come from your childhood, your Is it come from your childhood, your parents? Yeah, I think parents, friends parents? Yeah, I think parents, friends parents? Yeah, I think parents, friends still have the literally same four five still have the literally same four five still have the literally same four five friends. friends. friends. Yeah, same agents, same everything. I've

01:11:06Yeah, same agents, same everything. I've Yeah, same agents, same everything. I've been obviously with my my wife for 18 been obviously with my my wife for 18 been obviously with my my wife for 18 years so since I was young. years so since I was young. years so since I was young. Um so yeah, just Um so yeah, just Um so yeah, just I was never really I was never really I was never really for all of that. I was just very I'm for all of that. I was just very I'm for all of that. I was just very I'm very very very like happy just being simple. I could like happy just being simple. I could like happy just being simple. I could happily just sit in, watch a film, go to

01:11:23happily just sit in, watch a film, go to happily just sit in, watch a film, go to sleep. I don't need to go out and go to sleep. I don't need to go out and go to sleep. I don't need to go out and go to a nice restaurant. I don't even have to a nice restaurant. I don't even have to a nice restaurant. I don't even have to have nice food. I'm quite happy with have nice food. I'm quite happy with have nice food. I'm quite happy with just pasta and chicken. just pasta and chicken. just pasta and chicken. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I'm just very I'm just very simple and >> I'm just very I'm just very simple and

01:11:33>> I'm just very I'm just very simple and pleased very easily. So What makes you pleased very easily. So What makes you pleased very easily. So What makes you angry? angry? angry? Um missing a four footer. Um missing a four footer. Um missing a four footer. >> [laughter]

01:11:46What bugs you? What sort of like, you What bugs you? What sort of like, you know, if there's no chocolate in the know, if there's no chocolate in the know, if there's no chocolate in the fridge or something like that? No, not fridge or something like that? No, not fridge or something like that? No, not not a lot. Not a lot. My son tests my not a lot. Not a lot. My son tests my not a lot. Not a lot. My son tests my boundaries at the moment but boundaries at the moment but boundaries at the moment but >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> with selling but >> with selling but >> with selling but just does a lesson.

01:12:01Yeah, I know. I know. I can imagine but Yeah, I know. I know. I can imagine but no, not a lot really gets me angry to be no, not a lot really gets me angry to be no, not a lot really gets me angry to be honest. I'm quite a honest. I'm quite a honest. I'm quite a chilled person. I'm just chilled person. I'm just chilled person. I'm just Yeah, I normally just deal with things Yeah, I normally just deal with things Yeah, I normally just deal with things as they come. You're one of the as they come. You're one of the as they come. You're one of the contented aren't you? contented aren't you? contented aren't you? >> Yeah. Contented yeah. Yeah, just very >> Yeah. Contented yeah. Yeah, just very

01:12:12>> Yeah. Contented yeah. Yeah, just very simple. simple. simple. You're one of those players that You're one of those players that You're one of those players that obviously played at the highest level. obviously played at the highest level. obviously played at the highest level. You've been there for 15 20 years but You've been there for 15 20 years but You've been there for 15 20 years but you don't feel like you know a lot about you don't feel like you know a lot about you don't feel like you know a lot about you. Yeah. You know which is ideal. you. Yeah. You know which is ideal. you. Yeah. You know which is ideal. Yeah. I know I like that. You were Yeah. I know I like that. You were

01:12:24Yeah. I know I like that. You were similar right? You didn't do many similar right? You didn't do many similar right? You didn't do many interviews. It's nice. I just He's interviews. It's nice. I just He's interviews. It's nice. I just He's making an offer now, don't making an offer now, don't making an offer now, don't >> [laughter]

01:12:34>> But yeah, I was always someone that just >> But yeah, I was always someone that just I just liked [snorts] going to football. I just liked [snorts] going to football. I just liked [snorts] going to football. I like I just wanted to be a footballer. I like I just wanted to be a footballer. I like I just wanted to be a footballer. Didn't Obviously as a kid you don't know Didn't Obviously as a kid you don't know Didn't Obviously as a kid you don't know all the stuff that comes with being a all the stuff that comes with being a all the stuff that comes with being a footballer and how famous you get this. footballer and how famous you get this.

01:12:45footballer and how famous you get this. You just I just wanted to be a You just I just wanted to be a You just I just wanted to be a footballer and go home. As very as footballer and go home. As very as footballer and go home. As very as simple as that. I wanted to become as simple as that. I wanted to become as simple as that. I wanted to become as good as I could. good as I could. good as I could. Make an amazing career for myself, make Make an amazing career for myself, make Make an amazing career for myself, make a living. a living. a living. That is as simple as it is and obviously That is as simple as it is and obviously

01:12:57That is as simple as it is and obviously everything else that comes with um you everything else that comes with um you everything else that comes with um you pick and choose what you do and but I'll pick and choose what you do and but I'll pick and choose what you do and but I'll normally normally normally try and get out of most things but um try and get out of most things but um try and get out of most things but um yeah, some things you accept that you yeah, some things you accept that you yeah, some things you accept that you have to do. have to do. have to do. >> [laughter] >> No, but obviously when you finish you

01:13:12>> No, but obviously when you finish you start to do more and again you you just start to do more and again you you just start to do more and again you you just you can't just sit at home and do you can't just sit at home and do you can't just sit at home and do nothing all day. You've got to try nothing all day. You've got to try nothing all day. You've got to try different things and tell your story cuz different things and tell your story cuz different things and tell your story cuz you said it's it's good now not a lot of you said it's it's good now not a lot of you said it's it's good now not a lot of people know a lot about me. So people know a lot about me. So

01:13:24people know a lot about me. So I now can come out and talk and maybe I now can come out and talk and maybe I now can come out and talk and maybe people will listen a bit more and and people will listen a bit more and and people will listen a bit more and and get to know me a bit and yeah, it's just get to know me a bit and yeah, it's just get to know me a bit and yeah, it's just it's just how I am I guess. You're 36 it's just how I am I guess. You're 36 it's just how I am I guess. You're 36 and obviously every football player and obviously every football player and obviously every football player knows that their career is going to come knows that their career is going to come

01:13:36knows that their career is going to come to an end probably early to mid 30s if to an end probably early to mid 30s if to an end probably early to mid 30s if you're lucky. And you've got that 35 40 you're lucky. And you've got that 35 40 you're lucky. And you've got that 35 40 years of your life still to lead. What years of your life still to lead. What years of your life still to lead. What does that look like? Do you think about does that look like? Do you think about does that look like? Do you think about the next 35 40 years in respect of what the next 35 40 years in respect of what the next 35 40 years in respect of what you're going to do, what you want to do,

01:13:48you're going to do, what you want to do, you're going to do, what you want to do, how you're going to keep that sort of how you're going to keep that sort of how you're going to keep that sort of buzz going in your life? buzz going in your life? buzz going in your life? >> How's your pension looking? >> How's your pension looking? >> How's your pension looking? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You've got a golf course in your back >> You've got a golf course in your back >> You've got a golf course in your back garden. I think you might be all right. garden. I think you might be all right. garden. I think you might be all right. >> [laughter] >> [laughter]

01:13:59>> [laughter] >> No, I think um >> No, I think um >> No, I think um yeah, [snorts] I retired early. There's yeah, [snorts] I retired early. There's yeah, [snorts] I retired early. There's reasons why I retired early but um What reasons why I retired early but um What reasons why I retired early but um What are those reasons? are those reasons? are those reasons? Ah, so I actually tore my disc in my Ah, so I actually tore my disc in my Ah, so I actually tore my disc in my back when I was 18 at Tottenham. So that back when I was 18 at Tottenham. So that back when I was 18 at Tottenham. So that again I played my whole career with again I played my whole career with

01:14:13again I played my whole career with that. Um I had a lot of calf injuries that. Um I had a lot of calf injuries that. Um I had a lot of calf injuries which was due to my which was due to my which was due to my Yeah, I did. But Yeah, I did. But Yeah, I did. But again I never came out and said this again I never came out and said this again I never came out and said this when I was playing. It's like again you when I was playing. It's like again you when I was playing. It's like again you say something but oh it's excuses. say something but oh it's excuses. say something but oh it's excuses. Again I just I don't need to speak but Again I just I don't need to speak but

01:14:27Again I just I don't need to speak but So that didn't even worry you when you So that didn't even worry you when you So that didn't even worry you when you was going for an 85 million move to No, was going for an 85 million move to No, was going for an 85 million move to No, I passed the medical. I passed the medical. I passed the medical. I passed the medical so it was fine. I passed the medical so it was fine. I passed the medical so it was fine. They knew about it but it's manageable They knew about it but it's manageable They knew about it but it's manageable but I think for me but I think for me but I think for me over time it caught up with me. over time it caught up with me.

01:14:40over time it caught up with me. Um Um Um I went to see a back specialist, one of I went to see a back specialist, one of I went to see a back specialist, one of the best in the world and he was like the best in the world and he was like the best in the world and he was like cuz where the tear is it's next to a cuz where the tear is it's next to a cuz where the tear is it's next to a nerve which I always used to do my right nerve which I always used to do my right nerve which I always used to do my right or left soleus. Right. Um and he or left soleus. Right. Um and he or left soleus. Right. Um and he basically was like cuz if it misfires basically was like cuz if it misfires

01:14:53basically was like cuz if it misfires and cuz obviously stuff comes out of the and cuz obviously stuff comes out of the and cuz obviously stuff comes out of the nerve then you go into nerve then you go into nerve then you go into scientific stuff but he said you're just scientific stuff but he said you're just scientific stuff but he said you're just as likely to tear your soleus brushing as likely to tear your soleus brushing as likely to tear your soleus brushing your teeth as you are sprinting. Right. your teeth as you are sprinting. Right. your teeth as you are sprinting. Right. So it's like brushing my teeth on my So it's like brushing my teeth on my

01:15:04So it's like brushing my teeth on my heels. heels. heels. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> But again I never knew when it would >> But again I never knew when it would >> But again I never knew when it would come and obviously people like oh he come and obviously people like oh he come and obviously people like oh he doesn't look after himself. doesn't look after himself. doesn't look after himself. Um I would literally make sure my calves Um I would literally make sure my calves Um I would literally make sure my calves and soleus were like bulletproof. They and soleus were like bulletproof. They and soleus were like bulletproof. They would be the strongest things ever but

01:15:17would be the strongest things ever but would be the strongest things ever but again if it misfires and it goes there's again if it misfires and it goes there's again if it misfires and it goes there's nothing I could do about it. I'd have an nothing I could do about it. I'd have an nothing I could do about it. I'd have an injection in my back to calm it all injection in my back to calm it all injection in my back to calm it all down. down. down. So you go through all these things in So you go through all these things in So you go through all these things in your career and your career and your career and it kind of gets to a point where it it kind of gets to a point where it

01:15:26it kind of gets to a point where it starts to then go the other way and it's starts to then go the other way and it's starts to then go the other way and it's like start to catch up with me. So and I like start to catch up with me. So and I like start to catch up with me. So and I was always like was always like was always like got to a point where I guess a lot of got to a point where I guess a lot of got to a point where I guess a lot of people do in their career. Do you keep people do in their career. Do you keep people do in their career. Do you keep going going going for what reason? What else do I want to for what reason? What else do I want to

01:15:38for what reason? What else do I want to achieve? I felt like I achieved achieve? I felt like I achieved achieve? I felt like I achieved everything I wanted to. The last thing I everything I wanted to. The last thing I everything I wanted to. The last thing I did was qualify for a World Cup which did was qualify for a World Cup which did was qualify for a World Cup which was the one thing that was last on my was the one thing that was last on my was the one thing that was last on my list. So I did that and I was like I list. So I did that and I was like I list. So I did that and I was like I don't really want to just keep going for don't really want to just keep going for

01:15:50don't really want to just keep going for the sake of it and the people always say the sake of it and the people always say the sake of it and the people always say don't football to leave you before you don't football to leave you before you don't football to leave you before you leave football. Just like I felt it was leave football. Just like I felt it was leave football. Just like I felt it was the right time and it was a few years the right time and it was a few years the right time and it was a few years prior that I was probably ready. prior that I was probably ready. prior that I was probably ready. Um but then you try and you you try and Um but then you try and you you try and

01:16:02Um but then you try and you you try and make things stronger and stuff but it make things stronger and stuff but it make things stronger and stuff but it just caught up with me in the end and just caught up with me in the end and just caught up with me in the end and then um then um then um yeah, also thing with my father's yeah, also thing with my father's yeah, also thing with my father's illness I wanted then to illness I wanted then to illness I wanted then to to be closer to home and stuff was to be closer to home and stuff was to be closer to home and stuff was happening with him. So um yeah, there's happening with him. So um yeah, there's

01:16:14happening with him. So um yeah, there's there's reasons other than just I just there's reasons other than just I just there's reasons other than just I just decided to finish at 33. decided to finish at 33. decided to finish at 33. Um Um Um and then yeah, obviously there's a and then yeah, obviously there's a and then yeah, obviously there's a I understand there's a long time I understand there's a long time I understand there's a long time retired. I've been planning retired. I've been planning retired. I've been planning since probably 26 27 that I know there's since probably 26 27 that I know there's since probably 26 27 that I know there's not a not a

01:16:30not a a long career and you have a long life a long career and you have a long life a long career and you have a long life after hopefully touch wood. Um but yeah, after hopefully touch wood. Um but yeah, after hopefully touch wood. Um but yeah, just just just What does that look like? Again I I What does that look like? Again I I What does that look like? Again I I always said when I retired I wanted like always said when I retired I wanted like always said when I retired I wanted like one two three years just to like one two three years just to like one two three years just to like decompress, enjoy the kids decompress, enjoy the kids

01:16:45decompress, enjoy the kids and then try and find a few paths I want and then try and find a few paths I want and then try and find a few paths I want to do. Obviously the to do. Obviously the to do. Obviously the I think you obviously owning a football I think you obviously owning a football I think you obviously owning a football team probably understand the stresses team probably understand the stresses team probably understand the stresses with the book. I kind of went looked with the book. I kind of went looked with the book. I kind of went looked down that road and something that does down that road and something that does

01:16:55down that road and something that does interest me. Um we obviously tried interest me. Um we obviously tried interest me. Um we obviously tried Yeah, we tried with Cardiff. Okay. Yeah, we tried with Cardiff. Okay. Yeah, we tried with Cardiff. Okay. Last summer. Last summer. Last summer. Um obviously didn't materialize and Um obviously didn't materialize and Um obviously didn't materialize and obviously they're doing amazing again obviously they're doing amazing again obviously they're doing amazing again this season but um yeah, something like this season but um yeah, something like this season but um yeah, something like that I think interests me more than

01:17:09that I think interests me more than that I think interests me more than don't really like going into management. don't really like going into management. don't really like going into management. I feel like I feel like I feel like yeah, I done that as a player and you've yeah, I done that as a player and you've yeah, I done that as a player and you've got to put even more hours in as a coach got to put even more hours in as a coach got to put even more hours in as a coach and a manager. So and a manager. So and a manager. So too much for me but yeah, kind of that too much for me but yeah, kind of that too much for me but yeah, kind of that kind of stuff kind of stuff kind of stuff Huh? Huh?

01:17:22Huh? Again I'm I'm doing a bit and I'm Again I'm I'm doing a bit and I'm Again I'm I'm doing a bit and I'm enjoying it and enjoying it and enjoying it and growing into it and I I was saying to growing into it and I I was saying to growing into it and I I was saying to you before that you before that you before that the first couple you don't want to kind the first couple you don't want to kind the first couple you don't want to kind of say too much cuz you're in your of say too much cuz you're in your of say too much cuz you're in your you're you're still a bit uncomfortable. you're you're still a bit uncomfortable. you're you're still a bit uncomfortable. You're not used to speaking about

01:17:36You're not used to speaking about You're not used to speaking about players. You were saying give it a players. You were saying give it a players. You were saying give it a couple of years and you'll be abusing couple of years and you'll be abusing couple of years and you'll be abusing players. players. players. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Hopefully I won't have to get to that >> Hopefully I won't have to get to that >> Hopefully I won't have to get to that but um but um but um no, I'm just enjoying trying different no, I'm just enjoying trying different no, I'm just enjoying trying different things and I think once I things and I think once I

01:17:47things and I think once I um I'm sure I'll find something that I um I'm sure I'll find something that I um I'm sure I'll find something that I love other than golf. Um then then I can love other than golf. Um then then I can love other than golf. Um then then I can like focus on a bit more I think. Gareth like focus on a bit more I think. Gareth like focus on a bit more I think. Gareth you've just signed you've got a you've just signed you've got a you've just signed you've got a partnership with Heineken 00. How's that partnership with Heineken 00. How's that partnership with Heineken 00. How's that going? going? going? >> Yeah, no, great. Obviously I think it's

01:17:59>> Yeah, no, great. Obviously I think it's >> Yeah, no, great. Obviously I think it's well kind of documented I never drank well kind of documented I never drank well kind of documented I never drank when I was playing. Still don't now. So when I was playing. Still don't now. So when I was playing. Still don't now. So um it kind of worked naturally that um it kind of worked naturally that um it kind of worked naturally that yeah, working with Heineken 00. Um yeah, working with Heineken 00. Um yeah, working with Heineken 00. Um it's perfect now like I can go out with it's perfect now like I can go out with it's perfect now like I can go out with my friends and not feel kind of that

01:18:13my friends and not feel kind of that my friends and not feel kind of that you feel the pressure yeah. under you feel the pressure yeah. under you feel the pressure yeah. under pressure, left by the wayside. You don't pressure, left by the wayside. You don't pressure, left by the wayside. You don't want to go out cuz everyone's drinking want to go out cuz everyone's drinking want to go out cuz everyone's drinking you're not. So you can kind of feel you're not. So you can kind of feel you're not. So you can kind of feel you're a bit more involved. Um you're a bit more involved. Um you're a bit more involved. Um again I would say the taste is the same again I would say the taste is the same

01:18:23again I would say the taste is the same but I don't know the taste of it. but I don't know the taste of it. but I don't know the taste of it. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> How does it taste though Gareth? Yeah, >> How does it taste though Gareth? Yeah, >> How does it taste though Gareth? Yeah, so there it is good and again people now so there it is good and again people now so there it is good and again people now can drink and can drink and can drink and with 00 and then drive. So it whereas with 00 and then drive. So it whereas with 00 and then drive. So it whereas before you couldn't so clearly. Um so before you couldn't so clearly. Um so

01:18:37before you couldn't so clearly. Um so yeah, it's it's been a a natural kind of yeah, it's it's been a a natural kind of yeah, it's it's been a a natural kind of partnership to work together with and partnership to work together with and partnership to work together with and when yeah, thoroughly enjoyed. You're when yeah, thoroughly enjoyed. You're when yeah, thoroughly enjoyed. You're the first person ever to come on the the first person ever to come on the the first person ever to come on the show that's won five Champions Leagues show that's won five Champions Leagues show that's won five Champions Leagues and you're the first person that's ever and you're the first person that's ever

01:18:47and you're the first person that's ever come on that's never had a drink. come on that's never had a drink. come on that's never had a drink. I [laughter] I have had I've had one I [laughter] I have had I've had one I [laughter] I have had I've had one shot. I felt it like But when was that shot. I felt it like But when was that shot. I felt it like But when was that when you beat when you when you beat when you when you beat when you >> No, my wedding night. At my wedding at >> No, my wedding night. At my wedding at >> No, my wedding night. At my wedding at my wedding. So my wife was like you have my wedding. So my wife was like you have my wedding. So my wife was like you have to have it.

01:18:58to have it. to have it. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> The hips got a bit loose then. Gareth what do you think of modern Gareth what do you think of modern football? Cuz obviously I'm just football? Cuz obviously I'm just football? Cuz obviously I'm just thinking about you playing at Real thinking about you playing at Real thinking about you playing at Real Madrid under two incredible managers Madrid under two incredible managers Madrid under two incredible managers Ancelotti and Zidane without a lot of Ancelotti and Zidane without a lot of Ancelotti and Zidane without a lot of tactics. tactics. tactics. Do you find the game that you watch Do you find the game that you watch

01:19:12Do you find the game that you watch sometimes too methodical? Do you find it sometimes too methodical? Do you find it sometimes too methodical? Do you find it a little bit more I mean some people use a little bit more I mean some people use a little bit more I mean some people use the word boring. I don't think I would the word boring. I don't think I would the word boring. I don't think I would use that word but just generally do you use that word but just generally do you use that word but just generally do you how would you see the modern game now? how would you see the modern game now? how would you see the modern game now? I feel like it's very manager-orientated

01:19:23I feel like it's very manager-orientated I feel like it's very manager-orientated now and it's more of a chess game than a now and it's more of a chess game than a now and it's more of a chess game than a than just end-to-end kind of football than just end-to-end kind of football than just end-to-end kind of football basketball game. Um basketball game. Um basketball game. Um it's definitely not as exciting as it it's definitely not as exciting as it it's definitely not as exciting as it used to be. And again, I could used to be. And again, I could used to be. And again, I could be completely wrong, but I just don't be completely wrong, but I just don't

01:19:35be completely wrong, but I just don't feel like there's the caliber of player feel like there's the caliber of player feel like there's the caliber of player anymore maybe that used to be. anymore maybe that used to be. anymore maybe that used to be. If you name the players back in history If you name the players back in history If you name the players back in history and like and like and like talking like Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, um talking like Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, um talking like Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, um Zidane, like I just don't feel like Zidane, like I just don't feel like Zidane, like I just don't feel like there's so many there's so many there's so many big icon players anymore.

01:19:52big icon players anymore. big icon players anymore. And I don't know if that's down to And I don't know if that's down to And I don't know if that's down to managers and tactics and like you have managers and tactics and like you have managers and tactics and like you have to stay on the right wing, you can't to stay on the right wing, you can't to stay on the right wing, you can't move from there, you have to come in move from there, you have to come in move from there, you have to come in here. They're basically here. They're basically here. They're basically I feel like managers now and I could be I feel like managers now and I could be

01:20:02I feel like managers now and I could be wrong, it's just my opinion, but wrong, it's just my opinion, but wrong, it's just my opinion, but they're basically running the game they're basically running the game they're basically running the game whereas before like you will see with whereas before like you will see with whereas before like you will see with Sir Alex, I'll see with Harry Redknapp, Sir Alex, I'll see with Harry Redknapp, Sir Alex, I'll see with Harry Redknapp, with Ancelotti with Ancelotti with Ancelotti Zidane Zidane Zidane the players played the game whereas now the players played the game whereas now

01:20:15the players played the game whereas now I feel like the managers are playing the I feel like the managers are playing the I feel like the managers are playing the game, but that's my opinion. game, but that's my opinion. game, but that's my opinion. >> It's interesting you say that because I >> It's interesting you say that because I >> It's interesting you say that because I think that when we say that and we're think that when we say that and we're think that when we say that and we're probably like in our, you know, 50s Mhm. probably like in our, you know, 50s Mhm. probably like in our, you know, 50s Mhm. 60s Yeah. we feel like is it a little 60s Yeah. we feel like is it a little

01:20:2660s Yeah. we feel like is it a little bit like oh in my day it was different, bit like oh in my day it was different, bit like oh in my day it was different, but you're so close to the game being but you're so close to the game being but you're so close to the game being You're 36. You're not so You're 36. You're not so You're 36. You're not so You're you're you're saying the same You're you're you're saying the same You're you're you're saying the same things that we feel at times, but we're things that we feel at times, but we're things that we feel at times, but we're a bit scared to say cuz you think say a bit scared to say cuz you think say

01:20:37a bit scared to say cuz you think say you're like a dinosaur you're like a dinosaur you're like a dinosaur So you said You're not a dinosaur. So you said You're not a dinosaur. So you said You're not a dinosaur. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> They love saying that. >> They love saying that. >> They love saying that. You say oh don't don't dare say oh in my You say oh don't don't dare say oh in my You say oh don't don't dare say oh in my day. day. day. I think he's right about the culture I think he's right about the culture I think he's right about the culture though and there's probably coach too though and there's probably coach too

01:20:50though and there's probably coach too much now. over coached Not a lot of much now. over coached Not a lot of much now. over coached Not a lot of freedom in players anymore. No mavericks freedom in players anymore. No mavericks freedom in players anymore. No mavericks really, isn't it? really, isn't it? really, isn't it? Especially with attacking players maybe, Especially with attacking players maybe, Especially with attacking players maybe, do Yeah, that's what I mean. more do Yeah, that's what I mean. more do Yeah, that's what I mean. more freedom in freedom in freedom in But yeah, I just I don't know. I look But yeah, I just I don't know. I look

01:21:00But yeah, I just I don't know. I look for example at Grealish when he was at for example at Grealish when he was at for example at Grealish when he was at City it was like City it was like City it was like just stayed out there. Like at Villa you just stayed out there. Like at Villa you just stayed out there. Like at Villa you were coming in. were coming in. were coming in. I I Guardiola is an incredible manager I I Guardiola is an incredible manager I I Guardiola is an incredible manager and I would never disrespect him and I would never disrespect him and I would never disrespect him whatever, but whatever, but whatever, but that player now doesn't have the freedom

01:21:14that player now doesn't have the freedom that player now doesn't have the freedom to do what he does best which is to do what he does best which is to do what he does best which is ultimately what got him there. So ultimately what got him there. So ultimately what got him there. So that's just kind of I feel the way that that's just kind of I feel the way that that's just kind of I feel the way that football's going. Um football's going. Um football's going. Um Again, it it evolves, it generations Again, it it evolves, it generations Again, it it evolves, it generations change, things like long throws are back change, things like long throws are back

01:21:26change, things like long throws are back in play now, so you never know. There's in play now, so you never know. There's in play now, so you never know. There's There's hope for everything, so They're There's hope for everything, so They're There's hope for everything, so They're not quite long ones though, are they? not quite long ones though, are they? not quite long ones though, are they? I don't I don't I don't medium ones, aren't medium ones, aren't medium ones, aren't >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah, you got like 45 seconds, 50 >> Yeah, you got like 45 seconds, 50 >> Yeah, you got like 45 seconds, 50 seconds for a throw-in and it drops

01:21:38seconds for a throw-in and it drops seconds for a throw-in and it drops about 10 yards. Yeah, I [laughter] know. It's then that Yeah, I [laughter] know. It's then that I had a bad back, so that's I had a bad back, so that's I had a bad back, so that's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just about America to finish with. Just Just about America to finish with. Just Just about America to finish with. Just America, what was that like as an America, what was that like as an America, what was that like as an experience? I loved it and I actually experience? I loved it and I actually experience? I loved it and I actually wish I went over a bit younger when I wish I went over a bit younger when I

01:21:56wish I went over a bit younger when I had a bit I guess more had a bit I guess more had a bit I guess more physical ability. Obviously, I was physical ability. Obviously, I was physical ability. Obviously, I was getting older. Um getting older. Um getting older. Um Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was it was very different from Madrid and I it was very different from Madrid and I it was very different from Madrid and I still remember my first one of the first still remember my first one of the first still remember my first one of the first games we we lost the game and in my head games we we lost the game and in my head

01:22:12games we we lost the game and in my head I'm like if you lose in Madrid it's like I'm like if you lose in Madrid it's like I'm like if you lose in Madrid it's like right right right down into a war bunker, this is going to down into a war bunker, this is going to down into a war bunker, this is going to be tough. They lost in America and I was be tough. They lost in America and I was be tough. They lost in America and I was like no. Next everyone's like happy and like no. Next everyone's like happy and like no. Next everyone's like happy and fine. I'm like I you're not allowed out fine. I'm like I you're not allowed out

01:22:24fine. I'm like I you're not allowed out in Madrid if you lose. And like no, it's in Madrid if you lose. And like no, it's in Madrid if you lose. And like no, it's just it's accepted which not accepted in just it's accepted which not accepted in just it's accepted which not accepted in a I was like you're a loser, but they a I was like you're a loser, but they a I was like you're a loser, but they accept that you're going to lose and I accept that you're going to lose and I accept that you're going to lose and I guess there's no consequence in America guess there's no consequence in America guess there's no consequence in America cuz there's no relegation, yeah. So

01:22:39cuz there's no relegation, yeah. So cuz there's no relegation, yeah. So might be a thing to do with it, but it's might be a thing to do with it, but it's might be a thing to do with it, but it's a bit more family-orientated a bit more family-orientated a bit more family-orientated the the stadiums. It's not like that the the stadiums. It's not like that the the stadiums. It's not like that Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> horrible chanting where they absolutely >> horrible chanting where they absolutely >> horrible chanting where they absolutely abuse you. It's just like you're a abuse you. It's just like you're a abuse you. It's just like you're a loser. You're like loser. You're like

01:22:52loser. You're like >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Oh, that's really harsh. >> Oh, that's really harsh. >> Oh, that's really harsh. The fans were hammering me last night. The fans were hammering me last night. The fans were hammering me last night. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Everyone there >> Everyone there >> Everyone there Every fan hammers you. Every fan hammers you. Every fan hammers you. I don't know. There's a wanker every I don't know. There's a wanker every I don't know. There's a wanker every week. Every [laughter] week? It was week. Every [laughter] week? It was week. Every [laughter] week? It was worse last night. But

01:23:09But I I enjoyed it over there and it was I I enjoyed it over there and it was I I enjoyed it over there and it was it was another experience that I wanted it was another experience that I wanted it was another experience that I wanted to try. We used to go there on holiday to try. We used to go there on holiday to try. We used to go there on holiday all always and all always and all always and like just even going to play in like New like just even going to play in like New like just even going to play in like New York, in wherever, in LA and it was just York, in wherever, in LA and it was just York, in wherever, in LA and it was just it was nice to it was nice to

01:23:22it was nice to I guess experience and I guess experience and I guess experience and they go like night before a game they'll they go like night before a game they'll they go like night before a game they'll go out for food. I'm like go out for food. I'm like go out for food. I'm like Yeah. I normally have a quick bit of Yeah. I normally have a quick bit of Yeah. I normally have a quick bit of pasta, chicken, lock myself in my room, pasta, chicken, lock myself in my room, pasta, chicken, lock myself in my room, go to sleep early, but everything's just go to sleep early, but everything's just go to sleep early, but everything's just a bit more laid-back. Um but they're

01:23:36a bit more laid-back. Um but they're a bit more laid-back. Um but they're still as professional as anything. still as professional as anything. still as professional as anything. Amazing athletes. It's just a shame that Amazing athletes. It's just a shame that Amazing athletes. It's just a shame that there's not maybe the money in the MLS there's not maybe the money in the MLS there's not maybe the money in the MLS to attract the younger player. to attract the younger player. to attract the younger player. Um and I think that's probably the Um and I think that's probably the Um and I think that's probably the biggest issue with the MLS to try and biggest issue with the MLS to try and

01:23:50biggest issue with the MLS to try and make it bigger make it bigger make it bigger is you can't get someone in their prime is you can't get someone in their prime is you can't get someone in their prime at 25, 26. Unfortunately, it seems to be at 25, 26. Unfortunately, it seems to be at 25, 26. Unfortunately, it seems to be at the end because the money's not at the end because the money's not at the end because the money's not there. If the money's there, you'll there. If the money's there, you'll there. If the money's there, you'll attract players. attract players. attract players. Is the World Cup going to be I mean how Is the World Cup going to be I mean how

01:24:02Is the World Cup going to be I mean how big's that World Cup going to be just in big's that World Cup going to be just in big's that World Cup going to be just in terms of establishing the game even more terms of establishing the game even more terms of establishing the game even more over there? over there? over there? Yeah, I think it'll be big. Yeah, I think it'll be big. Yeah, I think it'll be big. But I always feel with fans these days. But I always feel with fans these days. But I always feel with fans these days. I know a lot of people say that oh it's I know a lot of people say that oh it's I know a lot of people say that oh it's going to make going to make

01:24:14going to make soccer football in America bigger, but soccer football in America bigger, but soccer football in America bigger, but um um um a lot of fans these days I feel like a lot of fans these days I feel like a lot of fans these days I feel like they support a player. Like someone will they support a player. Like someone will they support a player. Like someone will like support Mbappé, so they'll support like support Mbappé, so they'll support like support Mbappé, so they'll support him if he goes to PSG they'll him if he goes to PSG they'll him if he goes to PSG they'll And I feel like it's a bit like that. And I feel like it's a bit like that.

01:24:27And I feel like it's a bit like that. It's not necessarily It's not necessarily It's not necessarily going to make them support teams, but it going to make them support teams, but it going to make them support teams, but it will definitely make the the sport will definitely make the the sport will definitely make the the sport bigger there. I just maybe don't think bigger there. I just maybe don't think bigger there. I just maybe don't think it's going to have such a big an impact it's going to have such a big an impact it's going to have such a big an impact as people say. as people say because as people say. as people say because

01:24:38as people say. as people say because they just don't have the finances like they just don't have the finances like they just don't have the finances like an NBA or NFL have to just throw this an NBA or NFL have to just throw this an NBA or NFL have to just throw this money and get the best players there money and get the best players there money and get the best players there even though I know it's American-based even though I know it's American-based even though I know it's American-based sport, but sport, but sport, but if you want to make football bigger in if you want to make football bigger in if you want to make football bigger in America, you have to make it

01:24:52America, you have to make it America, you have to make it bigger and more exciting and better. And bigger and more exciting and better. And bigger and more exciting and better. And from where it was when I played from where it was when I played from where it was when I played preseason years ago and I'm sure you preseason years ago and I'm sure you preseason years ago and I'm sure you guys are to when I played it there's guys are to when I played it there's guys are to when I played it there's there's a massive difference and it's there's a massive difference and it's there's a massive difference and it's definitely on a progression. It's just definitely on a progression. It's just

01:25:04definitely on a progression. It's just yeah, it needs that financial yeah, it needs that financial yeah, it needs that financial side and side and side and as much as it's horrible to say it does as much as it's horrible to say it does as much as it's horrible to say it does money talks to every player. Stick to Football is brought to you by Stick to Football is brought to you by Our Clothing. Right, final little bit. Quick fire Right, final little bit. Quick fire questions. All right, best trainer questions. All right, best trainer questions. All right, best trainer you've ever played with. Um you've ever played with. Um you've ever played with. Um best trainer best trainer

01:25:29best trainer Modric or Kroos Modric or Kroos Modric or Kroos Kroos Kroos Kroos unbelievable trainer Never lose the unbelievable trainer Never lose the unbelievable trainer Never lose the ball. ball. ball. Just Just Just Yeah. Maybe it's not like the flashes Yeah. Maybe it's not like the flashes Yeah. Maybe it's not like the flashes scoring those goals, but just scoring those goals, but just scoring those goals, but just Isco was very good as well actually. I Isco was very good as well actually. I Isco was very good as well actually. I would say Isco was a great trainer. Um would say Isco was a great trainer. Um would say Isco was a great trainer. Um yeah, one of those three. Yeah. Worst

01:25:45yeah, one of those three. Yeah. Worst yeah, one of those three. Yeah. Worst trainer? trainer? trainer? Hazard Hazard Hazard >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Probably. >> Probably. >> Probably. He had a tough What happened? He had a He had a tough What happened? He had a He had a tough What happened? He had a tough time, didn't He He hurt his ankle tough time, didn't He He hurt his ankle tough time, didn't He He hurt his ankle Right. quite badly Right. quite badly Right. quite badly um in his first season and just um in his first season and just um in his first season and just never really recovered. Was he never really recovered. Was he

01:26:01never really recovered. Was he struggling in training? Just you say struggling in training? Just you say struggling in training? Just you say worst trainer, do you mean he wasn't he worst trainer, do you mean he wasn't he worst trainer, do you mean he wasn't he just just just Again, the Chelsea the Chelsea boys I'll Again, the Chelsea the Chelsea boys I'll Again, the Chelsea the Chelsea boys I'll say was he was Again, I was similar. I say was he was Again, I was similar. I say was he was Again, I was similar. I wasn't I didn't love training. I would wasn't I didn't love training. I would wasn't I didn't love training. I would tick over and train, but I would I'd

01:26:12tick over and train, but I would I'd tick over and train, but I would I'd want to be ready for the game. I'd want want to be ready for the game. I'd want want to be ready for the game. I'd want to be to be to be 100% ready on a Saturday to give 100% ready on a Saturday to give 100% ready on a Saturday to give everything. I would wouldn't want to be everything. I would wouldn't want to be everything. I would wouldn't want to be like training hard and feeling like 80% like training hard and feeling like 80% like training hard and feeling like 80% I used to have been like that. I felt I used to have been like that. I felt

01:26:22I used to have been like that. I felt like I had to literally give everything like I had to literally give everything like I had to literally give everything to be able to tell myself that I was to be able to tell myself that I was to be able to tell myself that I was Yeah. I was I was the opposite. I like Yeah. I was I was the opposite. I like Yeah. I was I was the opposite. I like well, my last season at Tottenham I well, my last season at Tottenham I well, my last season at Tottenham I hardly trained. So I I hardly trained. So I I hardly trained. So I I being a an explosive player you have a being a an explosive player you have a

01:26:33being a an explosive player you have a lot more DOMS the next few days, so I lot more DOMS the next few days, so I lot more DOMS the next few days, so I struggled for 2 days after struggled for 2 days after struggled for 2 days after and then I would just be introduced back and then I would just be introduced back and then I would just be introduced back into training slowly. We'd train for into training slowly. We'd train for into training slowly. We'd train for example example example harder on a Thursday if you can call it harder on a Thursday if you can call it harder on a Thursday if you can call it hard. Friday would be like a small-sided hard. Friday would be like a small-sided

01:26:46hard. Friday would be like a small-sided game and then I'd be ready to go. So I I game and then I'd be ready to go. So I I game and then I'd be ready to go. So I I used to like to just fine-tune rather used to like to just fine-tune rather used to like to just fine-tune rather than put in the work and I'd be ready to than put in the work and I'd be ready to than put in the work and I'd be ready to go. That's kind of how I was like go. That's kind of how I was like go. That's kind of how I was like That exactly that I think the great That exactly that I think the great That exactly that I think the great players could do that though, do you not players could do that though, do you not

01:26:59players could do that though, do you not think?

01:27:06But you I I always explain I've spoken But you I I always explain I've spoken to managers about it. You look at for to managers about it. You look at for to managers about it. You look at for example like the NFL example like the NFL example like the NFL there's loads of different positions. there's loads of different positions. there's loads of different positions. They don't all train the same. Like you They don't all train the same. Like you They don't all train the same. Like you wouldn't train the same as me in a game. wouldn't train the same as me in a game. wouldn't train the same as me in a game. Maybe you would train similar to me, but Maybe you would train similar to me, but

01:27:17Maybe you would train similar to me, but you should all train how you would play you should all train how you would play you should all train how you would play like like like a center back doesn't need to be doing a center back doesn't need to be doing a center back doesn't need to be doing like a 100 high intensity sprints like 2 like a 100 high intensity sprints like 2 like a 100 high intensity sprints like 2 days for a game for example. So days for a game for example. So days for a game for example. So there is a power to it and I think there there is a power to it and I think there there is a power to it and I think there is you might see it in the future where

01:27:31is you might see it in the future where is you might see it in the future where you'd have you obviously would train you'd have you obviously would train you'd have you obviously would train together as a team, but you don't need together as a team, but you don't need together as a team, but you don't need to be doing the silly runs if you're a to be doing the silly runs if you're a to be doing the silly runs if you're a center back. You might need to do half center back. You might need to do half center back. You might need to do half of the runs that a winger and a full of the runs that a winger and a full of the runs that a winger and a full back might need or a striker needs to do

01:27:40back might need or a striker needs to do back might need or a striker needs to do cuz to prepare you. So I think they do cuz to prepare you. So I think they do cuz to prepare you. So I think they do that more now like we always used to do that more now like we always used to do that more now like we always used to do the back four would do different running the back four would do different running the back four would do different running to the midfield than the forwards did. to the midfield than the forwards did. to the midfield than the forwards did. Used to all all together. We didn't mean Used to all all together. We didn't mean Used to all all together. We didn't mean it together.

01:27:51it together. it together. >> think what players are doing now is that >> think what players are doing now is that >> think what players are doing now is that they're finding those guys, those they're finding those guys, those they're finding those guys, those outside PTs who they do stuff with. outside PTs who they do stuff with. outside PTs who they do stuff with. And then what happens is is then you get And then what happens is is then you get And then what happens is is then you get a clash with the people who are at the a clash with the people who are at the a clash with the people who are at the club. club. club. They know what's exactly what's right

01:28:04They know what's exactly what's right They know what's exactly what's right for you. You try to go to the club and for you. You try to go to the club and for you. You try to go to the club and say well, this is what's right for me say well, this is what's right for me say well, this is what's right for me and then the guys who are in the club and then the guys who are in the club and then the guys who are in the club are disappointed because oh well, he's are disappointed because oh well, he's are disappointed because oh well, he's brought him in and like I'm going to brought him in and like I'm going to brought him in and like I'm going to it's just like You don't want to go too

01:28:12it's just like You don't want to go too it's just like You don't want to go too far the other way. It was almost like far the other way. It was almost like far the other way. It was almost like special teams then. It's also the whole special teams then. It's also the whole special teams then. It's also the whole idea of running together is that you're idea of running together is that you're idea of running together is that you're a team. a team. a team. The problem is as soon as a team does it The problem is as soon as a team does it The problem is as soon as a team does it and it doesn't work, they're like go and it doesn't work, they're like go

01:28:21and it doesn't work, they're like go back to it. So there's that kind of back to it. So there's that kind of back to it. So there's that kind of you've got to take a bit of a gamble and you've got to take a bit of a gamble and you've got to take a bit of a gamble and see it through to see if it does work, see it through to see if it does work, see it through to see if it does work, but it's tough cuz you have but it's tough cuz you have but it's tough cuz you have you obviously have the say a PT for you obviously have the say a PT for you obviously have the say a PT for example who's for example mine just has example who's for example mine just has

01:28:33example who's for example mine just has my best interest whereas a manager if my best interest whereas a manager if my best interest whereas a manager if I'm 80% he still wants me out is where I'm 80% he still wants me out is where I'm 80% he still wants me out is where my PT's like oh, I want you probably my PT's like oh, I want you probably my PT's like oh, I want you probably shouldn't play, give it another game shouldn't play, give it another game shouldn't play, give it another game whereas he's like I need a result. So whereas he's like I need a result. So whereas he's like I need a result. So there's that there's that there's that conflict So there's that conflict, so

01:28:46conflict So there's that conflict, so conflict So there's that conflict, so that's I imagine the most difficult that's I imagine the most difficult that's I imagine the most difficult thing to make that work. Most skillful thing to make that work. Most skillful thing to make that work. Most skillful teammate you've ever played with? teammate you've ever played with? teammate you've ever played with? Most skillful teammate

01:29:00Probably Isco. Yeah, he was Probably Isco. Yeah, he was in small-sided games in training he was in small-sided games in training he was in small-sided games in training he was He was a good player, wasn't He was a He was a good player, wasn't He was a He was a good player, wasn't He was a good footballer. He was a Yeah, he was a good footballer. He was a Yeah, he was a good footballer. He was a Yeah, he was a great footballer. great footballer. great footballer. >> one-twos against Yeah. On a bigger pitch >> one-twos against Yeah. On a bigger pitch >> one-twos against Yeah. On a bigger pitch he would struggle a bit more, but like he would struggle a bit more, but like

01:29:09he would struggle a bit more, but like in training when it's those small-sided in training when it's those small-sided in training when it's those small-sided games he was a He was as similar as I've games he was a He was as similar as I've games he was a He was as similar as I've seen to Zidane in terms of like the seen to Zidane in terms of like the seen to Zidane in terms of like the touch and the dragging of the ball and touch and the dragging of the ball and touch and the dragging of the ball and I I always thought he was yeah, very I I always thought he was yeah, very I I always thought he was yeah, very skillful and a good trainer. The fastest skillful and a good trainer. The fastest

01:29:20skillful and a good trainer. The fastest player you've ever played with? Played player you've ever played with? Played player you've ever played with? Played [clears throat] with? Someone that ever [clears throat] with? Someone that ever [clears throat] with? Someone that ever outrun you? outrun you? outrun you? You ever thought "God, he's quick"? I You ever thought "God, he's quick"? I You ever thought "God, he's quick"? I played with Kyle Walker. Oh. So, yeah, played with Kyle Walker. Oh. So, yeah, played with Kyle Walker. Oh. So, yeah, we had some good training battles. Would we had some good training battles. Would

01:29:31we had some good training battles. Would you have Would you have been quicker you have Would you have been quicker you have Would you have been quicker than Kyle or would Kyle be quicker than than Kyle or would Kyle be quicker than than Kyle or would Kyle be quicker than you? Ah, he's you? Ah, he's you? Ah, he's You never really race, do you? So, it's You never really race, do you? So, it's You never really race, do you? So, it's like like like if you drop a shoulder and he loses if you drop a shoulder and he loses if you drop a shoulder and he loses balance, you can't say I'm quicker, is balance, you can't say I'm quicker, is

01:29:40balance, you can't say I'm quicker, is it? He was quick and I'm not saying I it? He was quick and I'm not saying I it? He was quick and I'm not saying I was quick, he was quicker. He would say was quick, he was quicker. He would say was quick, he was quicker. He would say he is. I Maybe saying in my prime I was, he is. I Maybe saying in my prime I was, he is. I Maybe saying in my prime I was, but but but he was yeah, he was yeah, he was yeah, >> Quickest player Yeah, he was definitely >> Quickest player Yeah, he was definitely >> Quickest player Yeah, he was definitely the quickest player. The best player the quickest player. The best player

01:29:50the quickest player. The best player you've ever played with? you've ever played with? you've ever played with? Best player I've ever played with? Best player I've ever played with? Best player I've ever played with? Arguably Ronaldo, Cristiano, yeah. Arguably Ronaldo, Cristiano, yeah. Arguably Ronaldo, Cristiano, yeah. The toughest defender you've ever faced? The toughest defender you've ever faced? The toughest defender you've ever faced? Who didn't give you a kick? Who didn't give you a kick? Who didn't give you a kick? I I always say this and everyone jokes, I I always say this and everyone jokes, I I always say this and everyone jokes, I struggled against Micah Richards. I

01:30:04I struggled against Micah Richards. I I struggled against Micah Richards. I just He was just He was just He was >> No, don't say >> No, don't say >> No, don't say >> [laughter]

01:30:11>> That won't make the show. But I always >> That won't make the show. But I always It was my earlier days, but I always It was my earlier days, but I always It was my earlier days, but I always felt whenever I played felt whenever I played felt whenever I played No, [laughter] but the thing is to face No, [laughter] but the thing is to face No, [laughter] but the thing is to face it, dog. Micah, when he first came on it, dog. Micah, when he first came on it, dog. Micah, when he first came on the scene at Fulham, he was the scene at Fulham, he was the scene at Fulham, he was unbelievable. unbelievable. unbelievable. He was He was brilliant. He was so He was He was brilliant. He was so

01:30:22He was He was brilliant. He was so physical. Normally I would I would knock physical. Normally I would I would knock physical. Normally I would I would knock it on the outside like but he would just it on the outside like but he would just it on the outside like but he would just put his arm around He's so strong. put his arm around He's so strong. put his arm around He's so strong. >> like He had a big ass, he had a big arm. >> like He had a big ass, he had a big arm. >> like He had a big ass, he had a big arm. I was like "Yeah, I'm not getting around I was like "Yeah, I'm not getting around I was like "Yeah, I'm not getting around him." So, [laughter] He's even bigger

01:30:31him." So, [laughter] He's even bigger him." So, [laughter] He's even bigger now. now. now. But like yeah, Micah's got to get some But like yeah, Micah's got to get some But like yeah, Micah's got to get some luck. luck. luck. >> found him the most difficult to play >> found him the most difficult to play >> found him the most difficult to play against. against. against. >> Well done, Micah. It'll make the cut. It >> Well done, Micah. It'll make the cut. It >> Well done, Micah. It'll make the cut. It made the cut, [laughter] Micah. Um best made the cut, [laughter] Micah. Um best made the cut, [laughter] Micah. Um best manager you've ever worked under? manager you've ever worked under?

01:30:41manager you've ever worked under? >> Best manager, uh Carlo Ancelotti, I'd >> Best manager, uh Carlo Ancelotti, I'd >> Best manager, uh Carlo Ancelotti, I'd say. Just Harry was good. I enjoyed I say. Just Harry was good. I enjoyed I say. Just Harry was good. I enjoyed I also loved Chris Coleman at Wales. Um also loved Chris Coleman at Wales. Um also loved Chris Coleman at Wales. Um But Carlo in terms of just But Carlo in terms of just But Carlo in terms of just I mean, man Keeping the peace, man I mean, man Keeping the peace, man I mean, man Keeping the peace, man management, winning with him. So, yeah, management, winning with him. So, yeah,

01:30:56management, winning with him. So, yeah, it was Do you I used to like, do you it was Do you I used to like, do you it was Do you I used to like, do you know when he used to win the Champions know when he used to win the Champions know when he used to win the Champions League and he got on the bus after he League and he got on the bus after he League and he got on the bus after he used to have that massive cigar? used to have that massive cigar? used to have that massive cigar? >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> He looked so cool. You know what I mean? >> He looked so cool. You know what I mean? >> He looked so cool. You know what I mean? He's like one of He's like still a

01:31:05He's like one of He's like still a He's like one of He's like still a player. Yeah. Just yeah, but he had that player. Yeah. Just yeah, but he had that player. Yeah. Just yeah, but he had that relationship where he could still kind relationship where he could still kind relationship where he could still kind of be a player, but then he would have of be a player, but then he would have of be a player, but then he would have that respect where there was a line. that respect where there was a line. that respect where there was a line. Yeah. And you knew also if you didn't Yeah. And you knew also if you didn't Yeah. And you knew also if you didn't train well, he would just He would

01:31:16train well, he would just He would train well, he would just He would hammer you. You couldn't Would he hammer hammer you. You couldn't Would he hammer hammer you. You couldn't Would he hammer you? Would he hammer you? All of you you? Would he hammer you? All of you you? Would he hammer you? All of you including Cristiano? including Cristiano? including Cristiano? >> Yeah, all of you. Yeah, yeah. For sure. >> Yeah, all of you. Yeah, yeah. For sure. >> Yeah, all of you. Yeah, yeah. For sure. He would He would He would As much as he was your best mate, you As much as he was your best mate, you As much as he was your best mate, you knew there was that switch where you're

01:31:26knew there was that switch where you're knew there was that switch where you're like I can't cross that much. And what like I can't cross that much. And what like I can't cross that much. And what would that What would that be in terms would that What would that be in terms would that What would that be in terms of in a training session? What would he of in a training session? What would he of in a training session? What would he What would he have a go at you for as an What would he have a go at you for as an What would he have a go at you for as an example? example? example? >> Just if you were training rubbish or you >> Just if you were training rubbish or you

01:31:34>> Just if you were training rubbish or you weren't trying or sometimes a session weren't trying or sometimes a session weren't trying or sometimes a session just isn't going well and he would just just isn't going well and he would just just isn't going well and he would just stop it like stop it like stop it like >> It's not. Yeah. And half time if you're >> It's not. Yeah. And half time if you're >> It's not. Yeah. And half time if you're playing poorly or we're losing or he playing poorly or we're losing or he playing poorly or we're losing or he would just come out and just would just come out and just would just come out and just So, it would He had that perfect balance

01:31:47So, it would He had that perfect balance So, it would He had that perfect balance for a manager. Okay. for a manager. Okay. for a manager. Okay. Funniest teammate you've ever played Funniest teammate you've ever played Funniest teammate you've ever played with? with? with? Funniest teammate I've ever played with? Funniest teammate I've ever played with? Funniest teammate I've ever played with? Joe Ledley. Joe Ledley. Joe Ledley. See you're laughing just saying his See you're laughing just saying his See you're laughing just saying his name. He's He's name. He's He's name. He's He's >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> really good. >> really good.

01:32:00>> really good. Yeah, just um yeah, no words really Yeah, just um yeah, no words really Yeah, just um yeah, no words really describe, but yeah, yeah. There's some describe, but yeah, yeah. There's some describe, but yeah, yeah. There's some videos out there, but yeah, extremely videos out there, but yeah, extremely videos out there, but yeah, extremely funny. funny. funny. Let's get a video of Joe Ledley. Biggest Let's get a video of Joe Ledley. Biggest Let's get a video of Joe Ledley. Biggest dressing room character, last question. dressing room character, last question. dressing room character, last question. Biggest dressing room character that Biggest dressing room character that

01:32:11Biggest dressing room character that you've ever seen? In terms of funny or you've ever seen? In terms of funny or you've ever seen? In terms of funny or No, character. They're like their No, character. They're like their No, character. They're like their personality character. Ramos or Ronaldo. personality character. Ramos or Ronaldo. personality character. Ramos or Ronaldo. Just as a character and Just as a character and Just as a character and how they kind of carry themselves, I how they kind of carry themselves, I how they kind of carry themselves, I would say yeah, one of those two. Were would say yeah, one of those two. Were

01:32:23would say yeah, one of those two. Were they loud Was he loud in the dressing they loud Was he loud in the dressing they loud Was he loud in the dressing room? I mean, Cristiano wasn't to be room? I mean, Cristiano wasn't to be room? I mean, Cristiano wasn't to be fair wasn't when he played at United. fair wasn't when he played at United. fair wasn't when he played at United. But was Ramos very loud in the dressing But was Ramos very loud in the dressing But was Ramos very loud in the dressing room? Yeah, he was always very vocal and room? Yeah, he was always very vocal and room? Yeah, he was always very vocal and spoke in Spanish where the staff had no spoke in Spanish where the staff had no

01:32:34spoke in Spanish where the staff had no idea what was going on, but um idea what was going on, but um idea what was going on, but um Yeah, no, he was always very vocal. Um Yeah, no, he was always very vocal. Um Yeah, no, he was always very vocal. Um was always like the one saying stuff and was always like the one saying stuff and was always like the one saying stuff and before you go out doing the team huddle, before you go out doing the team huddle, before you go out doing the team huddle, speaking. Yeah, so he was very speaking. Yeah, so he was very speaking. Yeah, so he was very very captain like I imagine similar to very captain like I imagine similar to

01:32:47very captain like I imagine similar to leading by example and that kind of leading by example and that kind of leading by example and that kind of warrior on the pitch. warrior on the pitch. warrior on the pitch. I always ask this question last. Best I always ask this question last. Best I always ask this question last. Best advice you've ever been given? advice you've ever been given? advice you've ever been given? Um Um Um Best advice I've ever been given? Best advice I've ever been given? Best advice I've ever been given? I always find this tough. I always find this tough. I always find this tough. >> it is a tough one. >> it is a tough one.

01:33:02>> it is a tough one. I always got told that it's easy getting I always got told that it's easy getting I always got told that it's easy getting to the top, it's harder to stay there. to the top, it's harder to stay there. to the top, it's harder to stay there. So, I think when I Not saying I got to So, I think when I Not saying I got to So, I think when I Not saying I got to the top, but I got to my sort of the top, but I got to my sort of the top, but I got to my sort of >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Um again, just having that work ethic to >> Um again, just having that work ethic to >> Um again, just having that work ethic to stay there cuz the reason you got there

01:33:16stay there cuz the reason you got there stay there cuz the reason you got there is for that work ethic, why would you is for that work ethic, why would you is for that work ethic, why would you stop doing it? So, I think that's stop doing it? So, I think that's stop doing it? So, I think that's probably the best advice. probably the best advice. probably the best advice. >> Nice one. Gareth, amazing to have you >> Nice one. Gareth, amazing to have you >> Nice one. Gareth, amazing to have you on. Thank you so much. Thank you.

01:33:36>> Great guy, good stuff. Thank you. >> Great guy, good stuff. Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Yeah, thank you very much. Cheers. That Yeah, thank you very much. Cheers. That Yeah, thank you very much. Cheers. That was good stuff. That was good. was good stuff. That was good. was good stuff. That was good. Yeah, I remember that goal last minute Yeah, I remember that goal last minute Yeah, I remember that goal last minute against Sunderland. I can't remember the against Sunderland. I can't remember the against Sunderland. I can't remember the worst We played Ireland, you were worst We played Ireland, you were

01:33:46worst We played Ireland, you were assistant as well and I always remember assistant as well and I always remember assistant as well and I always remember you stood there. I'd just come back from you stood there. I'd just come back from you stood there. I'd just come back from injury and you'd said something in the injury and you'd said something in the injury and you'd said something in the press before and I was like myself press before and I was like myself press before and I was like myself running to the side of you thinking you running to the side of you thinking you running to the side of you thinking you could kick me. No, [laughter] could kick me. No, [laughter]

01:33:56could kick me. No, [laughter] no, Jesus. And we had some good games at no, Jesus. And we had some good games at no, Jesus. And we had some good games at Wales. That's how it was. It was very Wales. That's how it was. It was very Wales. That's how it was. It was very good.