José Mourinho: On Roma, Team Culture, and the Evolution of Football

00:01how do you reflect on your time at man how do you reflect on your time at man united I love my time there I don't united I love my time there I don't united I love my time there I don't think media helped me I refused great think media helped me I refused great think media helped me I refused great working opportunities the first one was working opportunities the first one was working opportunities the first one was even very very hard to to refuse because even very very hard to to refuse because even very very hard to to refuse because was Portugal I could be that coach in was Portugal I could be that coach in was Portugal I could be that coach in the national team also yours I had it

00:19the national team also yours I had it the national team also yours I had it there on the table no way yeah I didn't there on the table no way yeah I didn't there on the table no way yeah I didn't because um I gave everything I gave my because um I gave everything I gave my because um I gave everything I gave my heart I gave even options that could be heart I gave even options that could be heart I gave even options that could be considered not very clever by the considered not very clever by the considered not very clever by the professional point of view Cristiano professional point of view Cristiano professional point of view Cristiano Ronaldo do you even coach him I think

00:34Ronaldo do you even coach him I think Ronaldo do you even coach him I think you don't coach Jose we need to know you don't coach Jose we need to know you don't coach Jose we need to know what is next welcome back to five Steven what is next welcome back to five Steven what is next welcome back to five Steven hon Rio Ferdinand and today we have got hon Rio Ferdinand and today we have got hon Rio Ferdinand and today we have got Jose Mourinho the special one we have Jose Mourinho the special one we have Jose Mourinho the special one we have got him exclusively this is presented by got him exclusively this is presented by

00:48got him exclusively this is presented by football.com this is part one there's football.com this is part one there's football.com this is part one there's going to be a few episodes if you want going to be a few episodes if you want going to be a few episodes if you want the full audio you can check the link in the full audio you can check the link in the full audio you can check the link in the description for the full audio the description for the full audio the description for the full audio download in this part we're going to be download in this part we're going to be download in this part we're going to be talking about as Roma what happened and talking about as Roma what happened and

00:59talking about as Roma what happened and we're going to be talking about his we're going to be talking about his we're going to be talking about his entire career in this one so let's check entire career in this one so let's check entire career in this one so let's check it out Jose firstly thank you very much it out Jose firstly thank you very much it out Jose firstly thank you very much for for allowing us to come and speak to for for allowing us to come and speak to for for allowing us to come and speak to you here in rainy Lisbon I know can't I you here in rainy Lisbon I know can't I you here in rainy Lisbon I know can't I know I feel ashamed is a is an attack to

01:14know I feel ashamed is a is an attack to know I feel ashamed is a is an attack to our Prestige I had sunglasses I had our Prestige I had sunglasses I had our Prestige I had sunglasses I had suntan lotion I know me too me too I suntan lotion I know me too me too I suntan lotion I know me too me too I come to Lisbon with his intention to so come to Lisbon with his intention to so come to Lisbon with his intention to so listen I think we there's only one place listen I think we there's only one place listen I think we there's only one place to kick off I think the recent news to kick off I think the recent news to kick off I think the recent news obviously Roma your depart there I

01:30obviously Roma your depart there I obviously Roma your depart there I actually can't believe we're here actually can't believe we're here actually can't believe we're here sitting talking to you with that as the sitting talking to you with that as the sitting talking to you with that as the backdrop because two backto back finals backdrop because two backto back finals backdrop because two backto back finals the fans in the stadium full up I could the fans in the stadium full up I could the fans in the stadium full up I could see from just from England looking in see from just from England looking in see from just from England looking in how much the fans adored you there what

01:45how much the fans adored you there what how much the fans adored you there what kind of happened and you got us to here kind of happened and you got us to here kind of happened and you got us to here now owner now owner now owner decision and you have to respect don't decision and you have to respect don't decision and you have to respect don't even discuss you know um even discuss you know um even discuss you know um of of of course I feel and I believe that you course I feel and I believe that you course I feel and I believe that you feel the same as as me that uh the fans feel the same as as me that uh the fans feel the same as as me that uh the fans are always the are always the

02:10are always the heart of a football club without them no heart of a football club without them no heart of a football club without them no football club but there is an ownership football club but there is an ownership football club but there is an ownership and when the owner decides you have just and when the owner decides you have just and when the owner decides you have just respect is is that what would you say respect is is that what would you say respect is is that what would you say that one of the most painful kind of that one of the most painful kind of that one of the most painful kind of exits for you because it was so sudden I exits for you because it was so sudden I

02:27exits for you because it was so sudden I can say is is the one that hurted me can say is is the one that hurted me can say is is the one that hurted me more I can I can say that you can ask me more I can I can say that you can ask me more I can I can say that you can ask me why because I gave uh I gave everything why because I gave uh I gave everything why because I gave uh I gave everything I gave my heart I gave even I gave my heart I gave even I gave my heart I gave even some options that could be considered um some options that could be considered um some options that could be considered um not very clever by the professional not very clever by the professional

02:51not very clever by the professional point of view I point of view I point of view I refused great working opportunities refused great working opportunities refused great working opportunities uh the first one was was even very very uh the first one was was even very very uh the first one was was even very very hard to to refuse because was Portugal hard to to refuse because was Portugal hard to to refuse because was Portugal and Portugal with probably national team and Portugal with probably national team and Portugal with probably national team national team with probably the the best national team with probably the the best national team with probably the the best national team

03:12national team national team ever three years before um a World Cup ever three years before um a World Cup ever three years before um a World Cup then I had then I had then I had uh a big one from from Sai I I didn't um uh a big one from from Sai I I didn't um uh a big one from from Sai I I didn't um I didn't hide it at at the time because I didn't hide it at at the time because I didn't hide it at at the time because was was was was was was really was really big and I did it for really was really big and I did it for really was really big and I did it for uh I don't say the first time uh I don't say the first time uh I don't say the first time but normally I'm very pragmatic in my

03:38but normally I'm very pragmatic in my but normally I'm very pragmatic in my choices I'm very professional in my choices I'm very professional in my choices I'm very professional in my choices I try always to choices I try always to choices I try always to be very emotionally controlled and you be very emotionally controlled and you be very emotionally controlled and you could see that for example when I left could see that for example when I left could see that for example when I left other clubs um after winning finals and other clubs um after winning finals and other clubs um after winning finals and this kind of thing and in this case I this kind of thing and in this case I

03:58this kind of thing and in this case I was not pragmatic I was emot I give was not pragmatic I was emot I give was not pragmatic I was emot I give everything so in the end uh when I left everything so in the end uh when I left everything so in the end uh when I left I left I left I left um I hurt it uh I had um I hurt it uh I had um I hurt it uh I had uh I have the the great feeling of uh I uh I have the the great feeling of uh I uh I have the the great feeling of uh I gave so much happiness to the people um gave so much happiness to the people um gave so much happiness to the people um because two finals in a two European because two finals in a two European

04:20because two finals in a two European finals in a row doesn't happen often finals in a row doesn't happen often finals in a row doesn't happen often especially in a club like like Roma especially in a club like like Roma especially in a club like like Roma without a big history of um European without a big history of um European without a big history of um European success success success and then I was walking in the street and and then I was walking in the street and and then I was walking in the street and the people take us to Dublin take us to the people take us to Dublin take us to the people take us to Dublin take us to Dublin take us to Dublin and I I had

04:37Dublin take us to Dublin and I I had Dublin take us to Dublin and I I had that Dublin in in my mind I had that that Dublin in in my mind I had that that Dublin in in my mind I had that third European Final in a row in my mind third European Final in a row in my mind third European Final in a row in my mind but then you have to respect uh the but then you have to respect uh the but then you have to respect uh the owner is always the owner and uh you owner is always the owner and uh you owner is always the owner and uh you have to respect the decision which is have to respect the decision which is have to respect the decision which is what I'm doing now did you feel like you

04:53what I'm doing now did you feel like you what I'm doing now did you feel like you got your Spar back at Roma because you got your Spar back at Roma because you got your Spar back at Roma because you look like you got your Spar back at Roma look like you got your Spar back at Roma look like you got your Spar back at Roma I don't want to speak about Roma more I don't want to speak about Roma more I don't want to speak about Roma more than what with is than what with is than what with is especially going especially going especially going into um the intimacy of of myself and into um the intimacy of of myself and into um the intimacy of of myself and the football club I I always felt this

05:10the football club I I always felt this the football club I I always felt this way I always did it this this way uh way I always did it this this way uh way I always did it this this way uh it's not the first time I left the club it's not the first time I left the club it's not the first time I left the club uh it's probably the first time I I am uh it's probably the first time I I am uh it's probably the first time I I am feeling it in a different way but I feeling it in a different way but I feeling it in a different way but I always felt that is the right way to to always felt that is the right way to to always felt that is the right way to to do it you know you leave the club by

05:28do it you know you leave the club by do it you know you leave the club by your decision by the club decision and your decision by the club decision and your decision by the club decision and then you move on you try to learn from then you move on you try to learn from then you move on you try to learn from the experience you try to be better for the experience you try to be better for the experience you try to be better for the next one but I don't like to dig in the next one but I don't like to dig in the next one but I don't like to dig in and I I don't even like to speak and I I don't even like to speak and I I don't even like to speak publicly about it just I want to talk

05:42publicly about it just I want to talk publicly about it just I want to talk about about you as well I think I played about about you as well I think I played about about you as well I think I played against your team is always difficult to against your team is always difficult to against your team is always difficult to play against always hard games it's play against always hard games it's play against always hard games it's still difficult but when I played still difficult but when I played still difficult but when I played personally was you played you played personally was you played you played personally was you played you played against uh Chelsea big rivals and you

05:54against uh Chelsea big rivals and you against uh Chelsea big rivals and you play against teams with the same play against teams with the same play against teams with the same potential as yours with the same potential as yours with the same potential as yours with the same ambition as as as your team team we were ambition as as as your team team we were ambition as as as your team team we were playing to win it you were playing to playing to win it you were playing to playing to win it you were playing to win it so let's say from strength to win it so let's say from strength to win it so let's say from strength to strength I say that even when my team is

06:10strength I say that even when my team is strength I say that even when my team is not um a top team even when my team is not um a top team even when my team is not um a top team even when my team is not a team with more potential is always not a team with more potential is always not a team with more potential is always difficult to play against it's always difficult to play against it's always difficult to play against it's always difficult to play against us because we difficult to play against us because we difficult to play against us because we we start always from from the base that we start always from from the base that

06:23we start always from from the base that um a team has to be a team and then of um a team has to be a team and then of um a team has to be a team and then of course you you have that by by your course you you have that by by your course you you have that by by your experience when you experience when you experience when you had the team with the best players is had the team with the best players is had the team with the best players is different than you have a team without different than you have a team without different than you have a team without the best players but it's it's true I the best players but it's it's true I

06:37the best players but it's it's true I feel I feel exactly exactly that way and feel I feel exactly exactly that way and feel I feel exactly exactly that way and sometimes when I I see football when sometimes when I I see football when sometimes when I I see football when it's too easy for the better team to it's too easy for the better team to it's too easy for the better team to beat the team with less potential I beat the team with less potential I beat the team with less potential I always ask myself why and how is it always ask myself why and how is it always ask myself why and how is it possible because I always feel that a possible because I always feel that a

06:58possible because I always feel that a team even if it isn't the team with more team even if it isn't the team with more team even if it isn't the team with more potential has to make it difficult potential has to make it difficult potential has to make it difficult because by by organization by tactical because by by organization by tactical because by by organization by tactical work and by a very strong mentality even work and by a very strong mentality even work and by a very strong mentality even if you are not the team with more if you are not the team with more if you are not the team with more potential you still can do it not do it potential you still can do it not do it

07:14potential you still can do it not do it in the sense of winning titles because in the sense of winning titles because in the sense of winning titles because to win titles you need of course big to win titles you need of course big to win titles you need of course big potential but to give you the feeling potential but to give you the feeling potential but to give you the feeling that you had to play against that guy is that you had to play against that guy is that you had to play against that guy is always difficult I think I think has to always difficult I think I think has to always difficult I think I think has to be always difficult part of the question

07:29be always difficult part of the question be always difficult part of the question was is like that creating those teams was is like that creating those teams was is like that creating those teams and creating help creating that culture and creating help creating that culture and creating help creating that culture within those within those within those teams what's the difference between teams what's the difference between teams what's the difference between doing it maybe them years ago the teams doing it maybe them years ago the teams doing it maybe them years ago the teams I paid against compared to the current I paid against compared to the current

07:42I paid against compared to the current type of generation of players now what's type of generation of players now what's type of generation of players now what's the difference being able to create the difference being able to create the difference being able to create those those those cultures because it's new AG I think cultures because it's new AG I think cultures because it's new AG I think what you are speaking about different what you are speaking about different what you are speaking about different Generations I I I was going in the Generations I I I was going in the Generations I I I was going in the initial part of my of my answer I was initial part of my of my answer I was

07:58initial part of my of my answer I was going more in in the difference of going more in in the difference of going more in in the difference of potential um in the difference of potential um in the difference of potential um in the difference of potential I think it creates also a potential I think it creates also a potential I think it creates also a different way of playing and creates different way of playing and creates different way of playing and creates also a different way of also a different way of also a different way of approaching I I always say you have to approaching I I always say you have to approaching I I always say you have to be arrogant on the pitch when your team

08:17be arrogant on the pitch when your team be arrogant on the pitch when your team is the best one and you have to be more is the best one and you have to be more is the best one and you have to be more cautious when your team is not the best cautious when your team is not the best cautious when your team is not the best one when your team is the best you have one when your team is the best you have one when your team is the best you have to show your power when your team is not to show your power when your team is not to show your power when your team is not the best you have to hide or try to hide the best you have to hide or try to hide

08:31the best you have to hide or try to hide your problems to try to create balance your problems to try to create balance your problems to try to create balance going from generation to to going from generation to to going from generation to to generation I generation I generation I just I don't have the feeling just I don't have the feeling just I don't have the feeling of of of um previous generations are better than um previous generations are better than um previous generations are better than now now now or people of 20 years ago

08:57has a different approach to what people has a different approach to what people has now I think in the end has now I think in the end has now I think in the end the same the same the same ingredients are there but of course we ingredients are there but of course we ingredients are there but of course we we can feel that looking just we can feel that looking just we can feel that looking just to to you uh it is a great podcast isn't to to you uh it is a great podcast isn't to to you uh it is a great podcast isn't it I hope it is it I hope it is it I hope it is uh 25 years ago podcasts no no podcasts uh 25 years ago podcasts no no podcasts

09:20uh 25 years ago podcasts no no podcasts so communication was very very different so communication was very very different so communication was very very different I feel that a journalist now um what is I feel that a journalist now um what is I feel that a journalist now um what is a journalist now a journalist now a journalist now do you know what I mean um what was a do you know what I mean um what was a do you know what I mean um what was a coach or a manager 25 years ago what is coach or a manager 25 years ago what is coach or a manager 25 years ago what is now is also difficult to compare and in now is also difficult to compare and in

09:38now is also difficult to compare and in relation to to the players is also relation to to the players is also relation to to the players is also difficult to is also difficult to difficult to is also difficult to difficult to is also difficult to compare there is uh uh an evolution in compare there is uh uh an evolution in compare there is uh uh an evolution in in everything and there is an evolution in everything and there is an evolution in everything and there is an evolution in in terms of mentality um years ago in in terms of mentality um years ago in in terms of mentality um years ago probably I thought there is my probably I thought there is my

09:56probably I thought there is my ideal of what a player should be there ideal of what a player should be there ideal of what a player should be there is my ideal of what a professional is my ideal of what a professional is my ideal of what a professional should be but to transport this in pure should be but to transport this in pure should be but to transport this in pure terms to today I think is wrong because terms to today I think is wrong because terms to today I think is wrong because we are speaking about a complete we are speaking about a complete we are speaking about a complete different about a complete different um different about a complete different um

10:15different about a complete different um different world what for US 20 years ago different world what for US 20 years ago different world what for US 20 years ago was impossible to happen now happen and was impossible to happen now happen and was impossible to happen now happen and is impossible to change social media is is impossible to change social media is is impossible to change social media is a big thing as well you know when I was a big thing as well you know when I was a big thing as well you know when I was uh an assist coach in in in Barcelona uh an assist coach in in in Barcelona uh an assist coach in in in Barcelona was the beginning of the of the the

10:33was the beginning of the of the the was the beginning of the of the the mobile phones um and was forbidden for mobile phones um and was forbidden for mobile phones um and was forbidden for the players to be on the mobile the players to be on the mobile the players to be on the mobile phone you think it's forbidden now half phone you think it's forbidden now half phone you think it's forbidden now half time they on the phone no almost or time they on the phone no almost or time they on the phone no almost or maybe or maybe or maybe yes so you have maybe or maybe or maybe yes so you have maybe or maybe or maybe yes so you have to adapt to to that I think I adapted

10:48to adapt to to that I think I adapted to adapt to to that I think I adapted very very well I think I adapted very very very well I think I adapted very very very well I think I adapted very very well to that uh I like to feel very well to that uh I like to feel very well to that uh I like to feel young and to feel young uh when you work young and to feel young uh when you work young and to feel young uh when you work among amongst the the Young young guys among amongst the the Young young guys among amongst the the Young young guys you just have to to adapt but trying to you just have to to adapt but trying to you just have to to adapt but trying to keep a certain line of what a

11:06keep a certain line of what a keep a certain line of what a professional has to has to be or what a professional has to has to be or what a professional has to has to be or what a professional should uh should be and I professional should uh should be and I professional should uh should be and I think we are in a world where um people think we are in a world where um people think we are in a world where um people makes football players more individual makes football players more individual makes football players more individual they're more individual in in in they're more individual in in in they're more individual in in in everything the way they think the everything the way they think the

11:24everything the way they think the personal Ambitions the people around personal Ambitions the people around personal Ambitions the people around them the structure around them them the structure around them them the structure around them um the club has a nutritionist but they um the club has a nutritionist but they um the club has a nutritionist but they have one the club has a huge structure have one the club has a huge structure have one the club has a huge structure of sport Science but they have their man of sport Science but they have their man of sport Science but they have their man um probably one day um probably one day um probably one day um a great coaching stuff but maybe at

11:46um a great coaching stuff but maybe at um a great coaching stuff but maybe at home the goalkeeper coach has another home the goalkeeper coach has another home the goalkeeper coach has another goalkeeper the goalkeeper has another goalkeeper the goalkeeper has another goalkeeper the goalkeeper has another goalkeeper coach everything becomes more goalkeeper coach everything becomes more goalkeeper coach everything becomes more individual and I think uh the fight if individual and I think uh the fight if individual and I think uh the fight if you can call it a a fight is to try you can call it a a fight is to try you can call it a a fight is to try to make these individuals be be a team

12:03to make these individuals be be a team to make these individuals be be a team be a team I think this is the the be a team I think this is the the be a team I think this is the the fundamental the fundamental fight if you fundamental the fundamental fight if you fundamental the fundamental fight if you can call it a fight what do you think is can call it a fight what do you think is can call it a fight what do you think is most important then when you're trying most important then when you're trying most important then when you're trying to build a team is it the raw ability or to build a team is it the raw ability or to build a team is it the raw ability or is it is it

12:16is it character in relation to the character in relation to the character in relation to the individuality well building just individuality well building just individuality well building just building a team to win you know I think building a team to win you know I think building a team to win you know I think the the first thing to to build a proper the the first thing to to build a proper the the first thing to to build a proper team is the connection team is the connection team is the connection is the connection between the is the connection between the is the connection between the structures the structures the structures the players um and I think you will laugh of

12:37players um and I think you will laugh of players um and I think you will laugh of it the players are very intelligent it the players are very intelligent it the players are very intelligent intelligent intelligent intelligent yeah um if not in intelligent in terms yeah um if not in intelligent in terms yeah um if not in intelligent in terms of IQ because not everyone of course is of IQ because not everyone of course is of IQ because not everyone of course is but that but that but that specific intelligent the feeling of specific intelligent the feeling of specific intelligent the feeling of analyzing things of feeling things of analyzing things of feeling things of

12:55analyzing things of feeling things of reading things even in between the lines reading things even in between the lines reading things even in between the lines the players are very clar ever the the players are very clar ever the the players are very clar ever the players are very very intelligent they players are very very intelligent they players are very very intelligent they look and they understand they look to look and they understand they look to look and they understand they look to each other and without a word and each other and without a word and each other and without a word and without a word they know what they are without a word they know what they are

13:08without a word they know what they are saying I I think they feel the strength saying I I think they feel the strength saying I I think they feel the strength and they feel the and they feel the and they feel the fragility and in this moment where the fragility and in this moment where the fragility and in this moment where the structures of the clubs are very complex structures of the clubs are very complex structures of the clubs are very complex I think it's very important that the I think it's very important that the I think it's very important that the players they feel that they are players they feel that they are players they feel that they are complex but they are compact in your

13:26complex but they are compact in your complex but they are compact in your time you just need to look to Sir Alex time you just need to look to Sir Alex time you just need to look to Sir Alex look at him and in two seconds you look at him and in two seconds you look at him and in two seconds you understand what you have in front of you understand what you have in front of you understand what you have in front of you and then you and then you and then you respect maybe a little bit of fear but respect maybe a little bit of fear but respect maybe a little bit of fear but not I prefer to say respect and then you not I prefer to say respect and then you

13:41not I prefer to say respect and then you trust and then you believe and then you trust and then you believe and then you trust and then you believe and then you know that if you make something wrong know that if you make something wrong know that if you make something wrong you are in trouble is not in trouble you you are in trouble is not in trouble you you are in trouble is not in trouble you know that you are not going to know that you are not going to know that you are not going to manipulate anybody you don't care about manipulate anybody you don't care about manipulate anybody you don't care about the the the press and everything is clear everything

13:55press and everything is clear everything press and everything is clear everything is clear In This Moment the structures is clear In This Moment the structures is clear In This Moment the structures are very complex but but I think the are very complex but but I think the are very complex but but I think the structures must be building in a way structures must be building in a way structures must be building in a way where complexity doesn't where complexity doesn't where complexity doesn't mean mean mean problems uh and sometimes that problems uh and sometimes that problems uh and sometimes that complexity has to be transformed in complexity has to be transformed in

14:11complexity has to be transformed in something where is easy for the players something where is easy for the players something where is easy for the players to understand that there are no to understand that there are no to understand that there are no conflicts there is empathy and there is conflicts there is empathy and there is conflicts there is empathy and there is you know something strong behind the you know something strong behind the you know something strong behind the players behind or before the players uh players behind or before the players uh players behind or before the players uh performance I think this is the most performance I think this is the most

14:29performance I think this is the most important thing when you have this and important thing when you have this and important thing when you have this and you have a good communication between you have a good communication between you have a good communication between the structure I think anything is is the structure I think anything is is the structure I think anything is is possible I want to move on to things possible I want to move on to things possible I want to move on to things like the rivales you've played in some like the rivales you've played in some like the rivales you've played in some huge clubs I mean manag huge clubs um huge clubs I mean manag huge clubs um

14:45huge clubs I mean manag huge clubs um where where would you say the biggest where where would you say the biggest where where would you say the biggest rivalries have been because it seems rivalries have been because it seems rivalries have been because it seems intense in at Roma but equally if not intense in at Roma but equally if not intense in at Roma but equally if not more in Madrid Chelsea in London where more in Madrid Chelsea in London where more in Madrid Chelsea in London where where's in Porto as well where's been where's in Porto as well where's been where's in Porto as well where's been the the Rivalry you've gone oh my God the the Rivalry you've gone oh my God

14:57the the Rivalry you've gone oh my God that is different you know I you that is different you know I you that is different you know I you know it is everywhere to be honest know it is everywhere to be honest know it is everywhere to be honest uh Roma Spain Portugal is hard uh uh Roma Spain Portugal is hard uh uh Roma Spain Portugal is hard uh England I believe with more with more England I believe with more with more England I believe with more with more discipline but the rivalries of course discipline but the rivalries of course discipline but the rivalries of course you know that they are very very strong you know that they are very very strong

15:20you know that they are very very strong in Latin countries in Latin cultures in Latin countries in Latin cultures in Latin countries in Latin cultures becomes maybe you can feel more the becomes maybe you can feel more the becomes maybe you can feel more the emotion of it um even on the negative emotion of it um even on the negative emotion of it um even on the negative side even with some aggression even with side even with some aggression even with side even with some aggression even with some violence before after matches some violence before after matches some violence before after matches England is I believe a much more England is I believe a much more

15:38England is I believe a much more structured nowadays um luckily uh structured nowadays um luckily uh structured nowadays um luckily uh without this level of problems but I without this level of problems but I without this level of problems but I would say that um my times uh at Real would say that um my times uh at Real would say that um my times uh at Real Madrid um this years in Real Madrid were Madrid um this years in Real Madrid were Madrid um this years in Real Madrid were years of a huge rivalry with Barcelona M years of a huge rivalry with Barcelona M years of a huge rivalry with Barcelona M also because was not just the cultural also because was not just the cultural

16:03also because was not just the cultural and historical rivalry but also the and historical rivalry but also the and historical rivalry but also the moment the moment um I don't want to say moment the moment um I don't want to say moment the moment um I don't want to say the best players in the world because of the best players in the world because of the best players in the world because of course England always course England always course England always had incredible players but maybe in that had incredible players but maybe in that had incredible players but maybe in that moment there the best Cristiano the best moment there the best Cristiano the best

16:24moment there the best Cristiano the best Messi uh the best Messi uh the best Messi uh the best um Ben the best uain the best inesta Mar um Ben the best uain the best inesta Mar um Ben the best uain the best inesta Mar di Mar everything everything was was di Mar everything everything was was di Mar everything everything was was there Barcelona the best the best team there Barcelona the best the best team there Barcelona the best the best team in in the world Real Madrid trying in in the world Real Madrid trying in in the world Real Madrid trying trying to change that perspective in the trying to change that perspective in the

16:45trying to change that perspective in the same season league matches super Cup same season league matches super Cup same season league matches super Cup matches Cup finals Champions League matches Cup finals Champions League matches Cup finals Champions League quarterfinals everything all together quarterfinals everything all together quarterfinals everything all together and I felt that in that period there the and I felt that in that period there the and I felt that in that period there the world stopped world stopped world stopped for Barca real real Barca the world stop for Barca real real Barca the world stop for Barca real real Barca the world stop there and we were feeling uh that then

17:05there and we were feeling uh that then there and we were feeling uh that then one one season Barcelona wins it then one one season Barcelona wins it then one one season Barcelona wins it then the next season Real Madrid win it the next season Real Madrid win it the next season Real Madrid win it was beautiful beautiful but I think was beautiful beautiful but I think was beautiful beautiful but I think um if I could say it because of the um if I could say it because of the um if I could say it because of the intensity at every level was probably intensity at every level was probably intensity at every level was probably was probably there then do you enjoy was probably there then do you enjoy

17:23was probably there then do you enjoy that I I remember big pressure that I I remember big pressure that I I remember big pressure situations Champions League semi-final situations Champions League semi-final situations Champions League semi-final finals the rivalries in the moment I finals the rivalries in the moment I finals the rivalries in the moment I don't think I really ever enjoyed it I don't think I really ever enjoyed it I don't think I really ever enjoyed it I was in more relief after you win like was in more relief after you win like was in more relief after you win like those moments are they enjoyable for you those moments are they enjoyable for you

17:39those moments are they enjoyable for you as a as a as a manager you know when it's so intesting manager you know when it's so intesting manager you know when it's so intesting um I have to say um I have to say um I have to say that was hard but that was hard but that was hard but then you feel that you cannot go higher then you feel that you cannot go higher then you feel that you cannot go higher than that for you to have an example for than that for you to have an example for than that for you to have an example for us to win the league we did 100 us to win the league we did 100 us to win the league we did 100 points you know that if you don't do 98 points you know that if you don't do 98

18:04points you know that if you don't do 98 99 100 you don't win it you know that if 99 100 you don't win it you know that if 99 100 you don't win it you know that if you have a draw you are in trouble you have a draw you are in trouble you have a draw you are in trouble because Barcelona wins for sure then the because Barcelona wins for sure then the because Barcelona wins for sure then the next season uh the previous season when next season uh the previous season when next season uh the previous season when Barcelona wins I think we lost with 92 Barcelona wins I think we lost with 92 Barcelona wins I think we lost with 92 points 91 points something like that so

18:21points 91 points something like that so points 91 points something like that so you know that you make a mistake you are you know that you make a mistake you are you know that you make a mistake you are in trouble you have to win you have to in trouble you have to win you have to in trouble you have to win you have to win you have to win you have to win and win you have to win you have to win and win you have to win you have to win and then if you have then if you have then if you have if you have guys like uh like Cristiano if you have guys like uh like Cristiano if you have guys like uh like Cristiano for example where you are playing for example where you are playing

18:34for example where you are playing against uh Levante you are winning 5- against uh Levante you are winning 5- against uh Levante you are winning 5- nil you tell the guy relax come on take nil you tell the guy relax come on take nil you tell the guy relax come on take a rest no no no I can I can score one a rest no no no I can I can score one a rest no no no I can I can score one one more goal when you have guys like one more goal when you have guys like one more goal when you have guys like this you this you this you know the the the the boat is in the know the the the the boat is in the know the the the the boat is in the water and you just let the boat go and

18:54water and you just let the boat go and water and you just let the boat go and in the end you you enjoy the fight and in the end you you enjoy the fight and in the end you you enjoy the fight and we did but of course course is uh is we did but of course course is uh is we did but of course course is uh is easy I don't know maybe because of maybe easy I don't know maybe because of maybe easy I don't know maybe because of maybe because of uh of of that pressure maybe because of uh of of that pressure maybe because of uh of of that pressure maybe because of that tension um after the because of that tension um after the because of that tension um after the second year pep went

19:11second year pep went second year pep went to to a sabatical year maybe because of to to a sabatical year maybe because of to to a sabatical year maybe because of that on the third season I spoke with that on the third season I spoke with that on the third season I spoke with the president and I told him I think the president and I told him I think the president and I told him I think it's better for me to go I think it's it's better for me to go I think it's it's better for me to go I think it's better for me to go to to Chelsea and better for me to go to to Chelsea and better for me to go to to Chelsea and and change a little bit more Jose please and change a little bit more Jose please

19:29and change a little bit more Jose please don't do it now it's time where we are don't do it now it's time where we are don't do it now it's time where we are going to win it and kill because the going to win it and kill because the going to win it and kill because the most difficult time is is gone president most difficult time is is gone president most difficult time is is gone president I I agree the most difficult time is I I agree the most difficult time is I I agree the most difficult time is gone but it's also time for me to uh to gone but it's also time for me to uh to gone but it's also time for me to uh to go just draining tired yeah yeah you can

19:42go just draining tired yeah yeah you can go just draining tired yeah yeah you can say a little bit a little bit like that say a little bit a little bit like that say a little bit a little bit like that when the tension is is high I think in when the tension is is high I think in when the tension is is high I think in this moment in Spain people miss these this moment in Spain people miss these this moment in Spain people miss these times I think they miss it because times I think they miss it because times I think they miss it because become something uh something different become something uh something different

19:55become something uh something different but I would say that that period was was but I would say that that period was was but I would say that that period was was tremendous but Benfica Puerto Porto tremendous but Benfica Puerto Porto tremendous but Benfica Puerto Porto Benfica United Liverpool Liverpool Benfica United Liverpool Liverpool Benfica United Liverpool Liverpool United chela Arenal lazu Roma inter United chela Arenal lazu Roma inter United chela Arenal lazu Roma inter inter ju more than inter Millan it yeah inter ju more than inter Millan it yeah inter ju more than inter Millan it yeah yeah yeah people people I don't know yeah yeah people people I don't know

20:16yeah yeah people people I don't know because maybe AC wasn't doing as well because maybe AC wasn't doing as well because maybe AC wasn't doing as well then maybe I I don't know but the the then maybe I I don't know but the the then maybe I I don't know but the the first derby I played inter against Milan first derby I played inter against Milan first derby I played inter against Milan uh I remember clearly I was in I was in uh I remember clearly I was in I was in uh I remember clearly I was in I was in the bus and I was looking and you know the bus and I was looking and you know the bus and I was looking and you know know people together with Milan scarves

20:31know people together with Milan scarves know people together with Milan scarves with inter scarves you know really with inter scarves you know really with inter scarves you know really really nice really friendly I didn't really nice really friendly I didn't really nice really friendly I didn't feel it as that big big Derby when his feel it as that big big Derby when his feel it as that big big Derby when his interv is when you when you interv is when you when you interv is when you when you feel when you feel that something is not feel when you feel that something is not feel when you feel that something is not going historically well in in between going historically well in in between

20:48going historically well in in between them what's your pre-match routine look them what's your pre-match routine look them what's your pre-match routine look like you give you team talk an hour like you give you team talk an hour like you give you team talk an hour before the kickoff the lad's go warm up before the kickoff the lad's go warm up before the kickoff the lad's go warm up do you sit in the change room on your do you sit in the change room on your do you sit in the change room on your own do you go and watch the warmup what own do you go and watch the warmup what own do you go and watch the warmup what you know first of all the the guys they you know first of all the the guys they

20:59you know first of all the the guys they know the team even before I say always I know the team even before I say always I know the team even before I say always I don't remember there is a game where the don't remember there is a game where the don't remember there is a game where the guys they don't know who is going to guys they don't know who is going to guys they don't know who is going to play because the work you do before the play because the work you do before the play because the work you do before the work you do during the week normally the work you do during the week normally the work you do during the week normally the players they they know sometimes you can

21:16players they they know sometimes you can players they they know sometimes you can mix a little bit sometimes you can try mix a little bit sometimes you can try mix a little bit sometimes you can try to disguise a little bit you know to disguise a little bit you know to disguise a little bit you know sometimes a leak of information you sometimes a leak of information you sometimes a leak of information you don't want it to to to happen but don't want it to to to happen but don't want it to to to happen but normally the guys they know the guys normally the guys they know the guys normally the guys they know the guys they know there is I always say that the

21:30they know there is I always say that the they know there is I always say that the big work is done uh before the match day big work is done uh before the match day big work is done uh before the match day during the match day my work as a coach during the match day my work as a coach during the match day my work as a coach and my staff you know is to be on the and my staff you know is to be on the and my staff you know is to be on the bench to analyze the unpredictability of bench to analyze the unpredictability of bench to analyze the unpredictability of the game and be ready to answer to it the game and be ready to answer to it

21:43the game and be ready to answer to it but normally the job is is done my but normally the job is is done my but normally the job is is done my routine um I'm probably one of the few routine um I'm probably one of the few routine um I'm probably one of the few guys that is not superstitious I'm not guys that is not superstitious I'm not guys that is not superstitious I'm not at all that's good I'm not at all I at all that's good I'm not at all I at all that's good I'm not at all I think we have enough pressure to have think we have enough pressure to have think we have enough pressure to have another extra pressure pressure of being another extra pressure pressure of being

21:59another extra pressure pressure of being supersti with something you know not I supersti with something you know not I supersti with something you know not I like the players to be by themselves in like the players to be by themselves in like the players to be by themselves in that period before the the warmup I I that period before the the warmup I I that period before the the warmup I I don't like to go especially at home when don't like to go especially at home when don't like to go especially at home when you have your little office I don't like you have your little office I don't like you have your little office I don't like to go to the dressing room let them be

22:15to go to the dressing room let them be to go to the dressing room let them be let them communicate let them do uh what let them communicate let them do uh what let them communicate let them do uh what they want let them feel comfortable then they want let them feel comfortable then they want let them feel comfortable then of course be with the guys before uh the of course be with the guys before uh the of course be with the guys before uh the game a few minutes and be with them for game a few minutes and be with them for game a few minutes and be with them for 90 minutes uh and play with them for 90 90 minutes uh and play with them for 90

22:2890 minutes uh and play with them for 90 minutes and be what you think the team minutes and be what you think the team minutes and be what you think the team needs you to to be for for 90 minutes needs you to to be for for 90 minutes needs you to to be for for 90 minutes but not no big routines right that was but not no big routines right that was but not no big routines right that was genuinely incredible really enjoyed that genuinely incredible really enjoyed that genuinely incredible really enjoyed that that was part one there are more parts that was part one there are more parts that was part one there are more parts coming in part two we're going to get

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