Paul Pogba: Faith, Football, and Facing the Pressure of Success

00:05with his rare combination of creativity with his rare combination of creativity physicality and Technical finesse physicality and Technical finesse physicality and Technical finesse footballers don't come much more gifted footballers don't come much more gifted footballers don't come much more gifted than Paul Pogba

00:15born in the suburbs of Paris it was with born in the suburbs of Paris it was with Italian super Club Juventus that Pompa Italian super Club Juventus that Pompa Italian super Club Juventus that Pompa became a footballing mega star playing alongside Andrea Perlo in playing alongside Andrea Perlo in Midfield Pogba was instrumental to what Midfield Pogba was instrumental to what Midfield Pogba was instrumental to what became an iconic team became an iconic team became an iconic team bringing home four League titles two bringing home four League titles two bringing home four League titles two Italian cups and a nomination when only Italian cups and a nomination when only

00:34Italian cups and a nomination when only 21 for world's best player

00:41he soon became the most expensive too he soon became the most expensive too joining Manchester United in 2016 for a joining Manchester United in 2016 for a joining Manchester United in 2016 for a then world record 105 million euros then world record 105 million euros then world record 105 million euros but it was with the French national team but it was with the French national team but it was with the French national team that Pogba hit his career high winning that Pogba hit his career high winning that Pogba hit his career high winning the 2018 World Cup in Russia and scoring the 2018 World Cup in Russia and scoring the 2018 World Cup in Russia and scoring in the final in the final

00:56in the final [Music]

01:03however back in Manchester injuries and however back in Manchester injuries and inconsistent form meant Pogba struggled inconsistent form meant Pogba struggled inconsistent form meant Pogba struggled to meet the expectations set by his to meet the expectations set by his to meet the expectations set by his Hefty price tag and became a lightning Hefty price tag and became a lightning Hefty price tag and became a lightning rod for criticism of an underperforming rod for criticism of an underperforming rod for criticism of an underperforming team team team the football is very beautiful but it's the football is very beautiful but it's

01:16the football is very beautiful but it's cruel people can forget you the next day cruel people can forget you the next day cruel people can forget you the next day you can do something great The Next Day you can do something great The Next Day you can do something great The Next Day You're Nobody

01:28in 2022 he found himself threatened at in 2022 he found himself threatened at gunpoint in a case of alleged extortion gunpoint in a case of alleged extortion gunpoint in a case of alleged extortion it was like a movie when there is money it was like a movie when there is money it was like a movie when there is money you have to be careful money change you have to be careful money change you have to be careful money change people

01:41now a father of three family and Faith now a father of three family and Faith feature heavily in pogba's life and the feature heavily in pogba's life and the feature heavily in pogba's life and the Flack he's faced hasn't stopped him from Flack he's faced hasn't stopped him from Flack he's faced hasn't stopped him from speaking out against social injustices speaking out against social injustices speaking out against social injustices most recently the killing of a 17 year most recently the killing of a 17 year most recently the killing of a 17 year old boy by French police which sparked old boy by French police which sparked

01:53old boy by French police which sparked Nationwide protests I don't think that Nationwide protests I don't think that Nationwide protests I don't think that you're allowed to shoot someone that is you're allowed to shoot someone that is you're allowed to shoot someone that is unowned unowned unowned show him in the hub back on the pitch show him in the hub back on the pitch show him in the hub back on the pitch after a year out injured Paul Pogba is a after a year out injured Paul Pogba is a after a year out injured Paul Pogba is a man out to prove his critics wrong

02:20[Music] [Music] welcome to generation Sports I'm Iman welcome to generation Sports I'm Iman welcome to generation Sports I'm Iman amrani and I'm here in Turin the Italian amrani and I'm here in Turin the Italian amrani and I'm here in Turin the Italian city where Paul Pogba established city where Paul Pogba established city where Paul Pogba established himself as one of the top footballers in himself as one of the top footballers in himself as one of the top footballers in the world I've come to speak to him the world I've come to speak to him the world I've come to speak to him about the tests and triumphs of his about the tests and triumphs of his

02:33about the tests and triumphs of his career so far out finding faith has career so far out finding faith has career so far out finding faith has changed him and how he uses his platform changed him and how he uses his platform changed him and how he uses his platform to speak on the issues that matter to to speak on the issues that matter to to speak on the issues that matter to him him him foreign foreign foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] thank you for joining me on generation thank you for joining me on generation thank you for joining me on generation sport oh thank you for inviting me I sport oh thank you for inviting me I

02:52sport oh thank you for inviting me I wanted to start out with where you're at wanted to start out with where you're at wanted to start out with where you're at at the moment I know it's been a bit of at the moment I know it's been a bit of at the moment I know it's been a bit of a difficult season with recurring a difficult season with recurring a difficult season with recurring injuries but you're back on the pitch injuries but you're back on the pitch injuries but you're back on the pitch you just turned 30. I want to ask you you just turned 30. I want to ask you you just turned 30. I want to ask you how do you think your priorities are how do you think your priorities are

03:02how do you think your priorities are different now compared to when you were different now compared to when you were different now compared to when you were 20 years old 20 years old 20 years old um I would just say the experience I um I would just say the experience I um I would just say the experience I have more experience so have more experience so have more experience so now I know my buddy uh I know what I now I know my buddy uh I know what I now I know my buddy uh I know what I want also I didn't like you said the want also I didn't like you said the want also I didn't like you said the difficult here so I have this difficult here so I have this

03:19difficult here so I have this um handgirl and um handgirl and um handgirl and this wish of playing football and just this wish of playing football and just this wish of playing football and just enjoying myself until like the end of my enjoying myself until like the end of my enjoying myself until like the end of my career it's like I'm I'm 18 Again career it's like I'm I'm 18 Again career it's like I'm I'm 18 Again I want to do a bit of a conversation I want to do a bit of a conversation I want to do a bit of a conversation about your background as well so taking about your background as well so taking about your background as well so taking it all the way back both of your parents

03:35it all the way back both of your parents it all the way back both of your parents were from Guinea and West Africa and I were from Guinea and West Africa and I were from Guinea and West Africa and I want to know how strong their cultural want to know how strong their cultural want to know how strong their cultural influence was in your childhood ah yes influence was in your childhood ah yes influence was in your childhood ah yes on my parents are from Guinea they came on my parents are from Guinea they came on my parents are from Guinea they came in France but the curator was the same in France but the curator was the same in France but the curator was the same African culture

03:49African culture African culture so I was just with my brothers and my so I was just with my brothers and my so I was just with my brothers and my cousins so my mom had my two cousins so cousins so my mom had my two cousins so cousins so my mom had my two cousins so we were five and we were five and we were five and it was just like eating all in one plate it was just like eating all in one plate it was just like eating all in one plate and stuff like that the value of Life and stuff like that the value of Life and stuff like that the value of Life taking care of the family that's always taking care of the family that's always

04:04taking care of the family that's always been in my in our culture in my uh in my been in my in our culture in my uh in my been in my in our culture in my uh in my lifestyle they raised me with the with lifestyle they raised me with the with lifestyle they raised me with the with big values respect uh hard work also big values respect uh hard work also big values respect uh hard work also because from them coming to France uh because from them coming to France uh because from them coming to France uh at uh like back then was still racist at uh like back then was still racist at uh like back then was still racist and stuff like this so and stuff like this so

04:22and stuff like this so you know like they just raised me as you know like they just raised me as you know like they just raised me as being strong and get ready for life and being strong and get ready for life and being strong and get ready for life and is there anything now that you do with is there anything now that you do with is there anything now that you do with your children that kind of reminds them your children that kind of reminds them your children that kind of reminds them of that the roots that they have and of that the roots that they have and of that the roots that they have and where they're from when they don't where they're from when they don't

04:33where they're from when they don't behave good I'm like tell them I'm gonna behave good I'm like tell them I'm gonna behave good I'm like tell them I'm gonna take you to guinea yeah and you're gonna take you to guinea yeah and you're gonna take you to guinea yeah and you're gonna learn you know because they're gonna see learn you know because they're gonna see learn you know because they're gonna see the the real value of life you try to the the real value of life you try to the the real value of life you try to keep uh the cure to the values of uh keep uh the cure to the values of uh keep uh the cure to the values of uh respect and uh respect and uh

04:50respect and uh um taking care of finish all the food um taking care of finish all the food um taking care of finish all the food because we thank God I'm doing very because we thank God I'm doing very because we thank God I'm doing very lucky we're lucky we have everything we lucky we're lucky we have everything we lucky we're lucky we have everything we live here in Europe in Africa is not the live here in Europe in Africa is not the live here in Europe in Africa is not the same so I try to to give them this uh same so I try to to give them this uh same so I try to to give them this uh these values like from the young age and these values like from the young age and

05:05these values like from the young age and speaking of culture you've always had a speaking of culture you've always had a speaking of culture you've always had a really strong relationship with music really strong relationship with music really strong relationship with music particularly with artists who share particularly with artists who share particularly with artists who share African Heritage and you got behind a African Heritage and you got behind a African Heritage and you got behind a veggie dream anthem for the 2018 World veggie dream anthem for the 2018 World veggie dream anthem for the 2018 World Cup in a big way Cup in a big way Cup in a big way [Music] [Music]

05:19[Music] could you explain a little bit about the could you explain a little bit about the could you explain a little bit about the overlap of music culture and football overlap of music culture and football overlap of music culture and football culture in France and why they're so culture in France and why they're so culture in France and why they're so strong for you personally strong for you personally strong for you personally and like Africa is just like this Vibe and like Africa is just like this Vibe and like Africa is just like this Vibe of dancing the music and since the young of dancing the music and since the young

05:35of dancing the music and since the young agents I was in the house we were always agents I was in the house we were always agents I was in the house we were always like dancing all together like dancing all together like dancing all together so that's in me it's in my blood so I so that's in me it's in my blood so I so that's in me it's in my blood so I love music I love the good energy and I love music I love the good energy and I love music I love the good energy and I mean you need to enjoy life also you mean you need to enjoy life also you mean you need to enjoy life also you know in France a lot of the music scene know in France a lot of the music scene

05:49know in France a lot of the music scene is influenced by how many people have is influenced by how many people have is influenced by how many people have come from North Africa or West Africa come from North Africa or West Africa come from North Africa or West Africa but at the same time you know the but at the same time you know the but at the same time you know the cultural makeup of the team for example cultural makeup of the team for example cultural makeup of the team for example the French national team has been the French national team has been the French national team has been something that sometimes is celebrated something that sometimes is celebrated

06:01something that sometimes is celebrated say for example the 98 World Cup but say for example the 98 World Cup but say for example the 98 World Cup but then sometimes those minority players then sometimes those minority players then sometimes those minority players are scapegoated for the poor results and are scapegoated for the poor results and are scapegoated for the poor results and I want to know if you think that this I want to know if you think that this I want to know if you think that this generation of players are more generation of players are more generation of players are more comfortable navigating those issues of comfortable navigating those issues of

06:14comfortable navigating those issues of race and identity uh the media is race and identity uh the media is race and identity uh the media is something that us players we cannot something that us players we cannot something that us players we cannot really control and it feels like when we really control and it feels like when we really control and it feels like when we play bad now it becomes an issue and the play bad now it becomes an issue and the play bad now it becomes an issue and the races come out so it's always like a races come out so it's always like a races come out so it's always like a disadvantage I would say when you win disadvantage I would say when you win

06:28disadvantage I would say when you win everything is fine when you don't win everything is fine when you don't win everything is fine when you don't win and we afro French basically like uh the and we afro French basically like uh the and we afro French basically like uh the Franco Guinea the Franco Cameroon I mean Franco Guinea the Franco Cameroon I mean Franco Guinea the Franco Cameroon I mean we're born in France I'm born in France we're born in France I'm born in France we're born in France I'm born in France so when we win is the front that win is so when we win is the front that win is so when we win is the front that win is not Guinea so not Guinea so

06:45not Guinea so and if like the manager is choosing the and if like the manager is choosing the and if like the manager is choosing the best players in France best players in France best players in France so if it happens that there is a lot of so if it happens that there is a lot of so if it happens that there is a lot of people from Africa or anywhere else that people from Africa or anywhere else that people from Africa or anywhere else that mean they are the best and they deserve mean they are the best and they deserve mean they are the best and they deserve to play the race has nothing to do with to play the race has nothing to do with

07:01to play the race has nothing to do with that and this is the problem we always that and this is the problem we always that and this is the problem we always try to look at the race when things try to look at the race when things try to look at the race when things don't go well and when things go well don't go well and when things go well don't go well and when things go well like it's not a problem and that has to like it's not a problem and that has to like it's not a problem and that has to change change change how do you deal with that as a player how do you deal with that as a player how do you deal with that as a player when there's such an intense focus on

07:16when there's such an intense focus on when there's such an intense focus on you or your background I mean you know you or your background I mean you know you or your background I mean you know the team has always been good so it's the team has always been good so it's the team has always been good so it's like family we mix all well it's not like family we mix all well it's not like family we mix all well it's not like race there is only one nation is like race there is only one nation is like race there is only one nation is France France France uh the law of criticism uh the law of criticism uh the law of criticism and well me make me strong my dad told

07:33and well me make me strong my dad told and well me make me strong my dad told me I mean in France it's hard but you me I mean in France it's hard but you me I mean in France it's hard but you have to work two times have to work two times have to work two times like harder like maybe a white guy in my like harder like maybe a white guy in my like harder like maybe a white guy in my position not to do I had to I had to be position not to do I had to I had to be position not to do I had to I had to be like two times better than him to play like two times better than him to play like two times better than him to play and this isn't fair and this isn't fair

07:49and this isn't fair you want things to change because if you want things to change because if you want things to change because if you're the best you deserve to play and you're the best you deserve to play and you're the best you deserve to play and that's it there's no color and stuff that's it there's no color and stuff that's it there's no color and stuff like that and unfortunately like that and unfortunately like that and unfortunately the reality is the reality is the reality is that's not what's happening and what I that's not what's happening and what I that's not what's happening and what I can do and what's helped me is just my can do and what's helped me is just my

08:07can do and what's helped me is just my my head mentally I'm ready and I just my head mentally I'm ready and I just my head mentally I'm ready and I just want to shut the want to shut the want to shut the shut the the media and show them that shut the the media and show them that shut the the media and show them that they're wrong they're wrong they're wrong and is that like a big part of the drive and is that like a big part of the drive and is that like a big part of the drive and the hunger that you talk about and the hunger that you talk about and the hunger that you talk about definitely I want to make them eat their definitely I want to make them eat their

08:21definitely I want to make them eat their words you know like I won't show them words you know like I won't show them words you know like I won't show them like I'm not weak like I'm not weak like I'm not weak nice nice nice you can talk bad about me I will never you can talk bad about me I will never you can talk bad about me I will never give up I will never give up like I give up I will never give up like I give up I will never give up like I cannot give them like cannot give them like cannot give them like it cannot be right you know what I'm it cannot be right you know what I'm it cannot be right you know what I'm saying so I'm like I'm gonna work harder

08:38saying so I'm like I'm gonna work harder saying so I'm like I'm gonna work harder I'm gonna give my best even more I'm I'm gonna give my best even more I'm I'm gonna give my best even more I'm gonna have to show them again gonna have to show them again gonna have to show them again you've had a lot of highlights in your you've had a lot of highlights in your you've had a lot of highlights in your career I mean scoring in a World Cup career I mean scoring in a World Cup career I mean scoring in a World Cup final and winning a World Cup is a huge final and winning a World Cup is a huge final and winning a World Cup is a huge deal any player would love to have done

08:49deal any player would love to have done deal any player would love to have done that but at the same time you have had that but at the same time you have had that but at the same time you have had more difficult moments and you've spoken more difficult moments and you've spoken more difficult moments and you've spoken about struggling with depression about struggling with depression about struggling with depression alongside your injuries what did you alongside your injuries what did you alongside your injuries what did you find most helpful during those difficult find most helpful during those difficult find most helpful during those difficult moments

09:06helped me so much this is the only thing helped me so much this is the only thing that keeps me obviously humble that keeps me obviously humble that keeps me obviously humble um made me to you know get out of all um made me to you know get out of all um made me to you know get out of all the media all the fame and everything the media all the fame and everything the media all the fame and everything and go back to reality so this is the and go back to reality so this is the and go back to reality so this is the big part of my mental strength big part of my mental strength big part of my mental strength that keep me keep me going basically so that keep me keep me going basically so

09:24that keep me keep me going basically so faith is one of the places people go to faith is one of the places people go to faith is one of the places people go to to find Comfort when they're having hard to find Comfort when they're having hard to find Comfort when they're having hard times and it's something that I often times and it's something that I often times and it's something that I often have been asking athletes about because have been asking athletes about because have been asking athletes about because it's one of those things that's very it's one of those things that's very it's one of those things that's very common between Elite and high performing

09:35common between Elite and high performing common between Elite and high performing individuals to have something above you individuals to have something above you individuals to have something above you is very important but can you tell me a is very important but can you tell me a is very important but can you tell me a bit about your personal spiritual bit about your personal spiritual bit about your personal spiritual journey and how Islam fits into your journey and how Islam fits into your journey and how Islam fits into your life when I convert to life when I convert to life when I convert to to Islam it was like it was a big change to Islam it was like it was a big change

09:51to Islam it was like it was a big change it was like real and now I know why I'm it was like real and now I know why I'm it was like real and now I know why I'm here I know that there's only one God here I know that there's only one God here I know that there's only one God and and and we just have to we just have to we just have to feed yourself to follow a step and that feed yourself to follow a step and that feed yourself to follow a step and that helps me in life with the family with helps me in life with the family with helps me in life with the family with football with um with my kids just for football with um with my kids just for

10:11football with um with my kids just for me Islam helped me to me Islam helped me to me Islam helped me to to open my eyes and what was it that to open my eyes and what was it that to open my eyes and what was it that made you decide to make that decision made you decide to make that decision made you decide to make that decision was there a particular moment or a was there a particular moment or a was there a particular moment or a person in your life no I was um you know person in your life no I was um you know person in your life no I was um you know I had a lot of friends that they were I had a lot of friends that they were

10:24I had a lot of friends that they were Muslim just the way that they were Muslim just the way that they were Muslim just the way that they were behaving uh praying together when it was behaving uh praying together when it was behaving uh praying together when it was Ramadan you know I used to go and eat Ramadan you know I used to go and eat Ramadan you know I used to go and eat with them and I really love to share with them and I really love to share with them and I really love to share those moments with them go to the mosque those moments with them go to the mosque those moments with them go to the mosque I was like this is a religion that suit I was like this is a religion that suit

10:37I was like this is a religion that suit me you know being all together talking me you know being all together talking me you know being all together talking about the religion helping each other about the religion helping each other about the religion helping each other out and when I start out and when I start out and when I start doing my research I just being like okay doing my research I just being like okay doing my research I just being like okay this is I think this is it and I pray this is I think this is it and I pray this is I think this is it and I pray one time one time one time and like my heart like melt kind of it and like my heart like melt kind of it

10:55and like my heart like melt kind of it melt is like my body find his place so I melt is like my body find his place so I melt is like my body find his place so I was like this is was like this is was like this is this is my religion what would be like this is my religion what would be like this is my religion what would be like one thing about your personality or one thing about your personality or one thing about your personality or character that you think has become character that you think has become character that you think has become better because of your religion better because of your religion better because of your religion I would say I was getting angry I was

11:13I would say I was getting angry I was I would say I was getting angry I was like when I was playing bad I was like like when I was playing bad I was like like when I was playing bad I was like getting mad for three days getting mad for three days getting mad for three days and now everything was football for me and now everything was football for me and now everything was football for me my life was only football my life was only football my life was only football and I find in Islam I find like I never and I find in Islam I find like I never and I find in Islam I find like I never lose when something bad happens to me it lose when something bad happens to me it

11:28lose when something bad happens to me it makes me win in experience it makes me makes me win in experience it makes me makes me win in experience it makes me win mentally makes me like grow so it's win mentally makes me like grow so it's win mentally makes me like grow so it's only a win only a win when you follow only a win only a win when you follow only a win only a win when you follow the step of Allah is only you you can the step of Allah is only you you can the step of Allah is only you you can only win only win only win so we've talked religion but I also want so we've talked religion but I also want so we've talked religion but I also want to talk to you about France and where

11:45to talk to you about France and where to talk to you about France and where you're from you grew up in the suburbs you're from you grew up in the suburbs you're from you grew up in the suburbs which in the media is often used as a which in the media is often used as a which in the media is often used as a shorthand for France's social issues shorthand for France's social issues shorthand for France's social issues like exclusion or violent crime what was like exclusion or violent crime what was like exclusion or violent crime what was it like growing up there it like growing up there it like growing up there man he was man he was man he was it was good yeah some so many good parts

12:03it was good yeah some so many good parts it was good yeah some so many good parts because like I said the culture also we because like I said the culture also we because like I said the culture also we all together we go to each other's house all together we go to each other's house all together we go to each other's house it's like we all outside playing it's like we all outside playing it's like we all outside playing football football football it was really really nice it's enjoyable it was really really nice it's enjoyable it was really really nice it's enjoyable moment you know I love to go and see my moment you know I love to go and see my

12:16moment you know I love to go and see my friends see the family you know like friends see the family you know like friends see the family you know like it's very simple it's very simple it's very simple and in the other hand it's like you're and in the other hand it's like you're and in the other hand it's like you're struggling there's no help there's no struggling there's no help there's no struggling there's no help there's no help people come from Africa help people come from Africa help people come from Africa they ask for a job and they don't get they ask for a job and they don't get they ask for a job and they don't get the job because of the color because of

12:31the job because of the color because of the job because of the color because of where they're from because of the name where they're from because of the name where they're from because of the name and there's so many people like that and and there's so many people like that and and there's so many people like that and they're very good they're very they're very good they're very they're very good they're very professional professional professional but they just don't get the chance that but they just don't get the chance that but they just don't get the chance that other people will get other people will get other people will get it's unfortunate because there's so many

12:43it's unfortunate because there's so many it's unfortunate because there's so many potential there's so many talent in potential there's so many talent in potential there's so many talent in there that deserve so much more you know there that deserve so much more you know there that deserve so much more you know and we're also speaking about the and we're also speaking about the and we're also speaking about the suburbs 17 year old Nahum was killed by suburbs 17 year old Nahum was killed by suburbs 17 year old Nahum was killed by the police during a traffic stop in a the police during a traffic stop in a the police during a traffic stop in a prison suburb and it sparked protests

12:59prison suburb and it sparked protests prison suburb and it sparked protests across France where you put a tweet out across France where you put a tweet out across France where you put a tweet out in support of him and his family in support of him and his family in support of him and his family it's different it's difficult when it's different it's difficult when it's different it's difficult when players start talking about big issues players start talking about big issues players start talking about big issues they face a lot of criticism so why is they face a lot of criticism so why is they face a lot of criticism so why is it important for you personally to say

13:11it important for you personally to say it important for you personally to say something about that issue first of all something about that issue first of all something about that issue first of all I sorry but I don't care about criticism I sorry but I don't care about criticism I sorry but I don't care about criticism like I say what I feel like I say what I feel like I say what I feel and the uh the truth is you just want and the uh the truth is you just want and the uh the truth is you just want Justice I don't want France to blow I Justice I don't want France to blow I Justice I don't want France to blow I don't want to have like to see all the don't want to have like to see all the

13:27don't want to have like to see all the people there like breaking obviously people there like breaking obviously people there like breaking obviously neighbors neighbors cars and shops that neighbors neighbors cars and shops that neighbors neighbors cars and shops that where they go and stuff like that where they go and stuff like that where they go and stuff like that because that doesn't help but what would because that doesn't help but what would because that doesn't help but what would help is justice justice for those people help is justice justice for those people help is justice justice for those people um the people that did that should get um the people that did that should get

13:42um the people that did that should get what they deserve and the government the what they deserve and the government the what they deserve and the government the people that they're responsible have to people that they're responsible have to people that they're responsible have to help also this poor mother that is alone help also this poor mother that is alone help also this poor mother that is alone now and there's so many examples now and there's so many examples now and there's so many examples there's so many examples like when there's so many examples like when there's so many examples like when you're from the hood I saw a lot of you're from the hood I saw a lot of

13:58you're from the hood I saw a lot of friends going to jail I say love friends friends going to jail I say love friends friends going to jail I say love friends getting beat by the police one day I got getting beat by the police one day I got getting beat by the police one day I got stopped three times by the police when I stopped three times by the police when I stopped three times by the police when I was with my friends because we're in was with my friends because we're in was with my friends because we're in some good areas and we were black some good areas and we were black some good areas and we were black it's sad but this is reality and that it's sad but this is reality and that

14:13it's sad but this is reality and that has to change because nobody deserves has to change because nobody deserves has to change because nobody deserves that that that I'm just going to read out the tweet I'm just going to read out the tweet I'm just going to read out the tweet that you posted it says rest in peace that you posted it says rest in peace that you posted it says rest in peace now on my condolences to his mom and his now on my condolences to his mom and his now on my condolences to his mom and his family nobody deserves to die at 17 and family nobody deserves to die at 17 and family nobody deserves to die at 17 and even less for a refusal to comply let

14:26even less for a refusal to comply let even less for a refusal to comply let Justice be done you've mentioned Justice Justice be done you've mentioned Justice Justice be done you've mentioned Justice yourself what does Justice look like and yourself what does Justice look like and yourself what does Justice look like and do you think it will be done just yeah I do you think it will be done just yeah I do you think it will be done just yeah I hope so I don't think that you can hope so I don't think that you can hope so I don't think that you can you're allowed to shoot someone that is you're allowed to shoot someone that is you're allowed to shoot someone that is around around

14:41around show him in the heart show him in the heart show him in the heart because he doesn't have a driving because he doesn't have a driving because he doesn't have a driving license and because he drove off license and because he drove off license and because he drove off I mean you have cameras you have I mean you have cameras you have I mean you have cameras you have everything everything everything you can find him you will find him you can find him you will find him you can find him you will find him anyway right there's so many things like anyway right there's so many things like anyway right there's so many things like that that happens and the policeman just

14:57that that happens and the policeman just that that happens and the policeman just stop working for the police station that stop working for the police station that stop working for the police station that he that is from he that is from he that is from and that's it and then after we don't and that's it and then after we don't and that's it and then after we don't hear about about it this is not right so hear about about it this is not right so hear about about it this is not right so justice meaning justice meaning justice meaning get the other people really deserve and get the other people really deserve and get the other people really deserve and uh like even the respect get the respect

15:13uh like even the respect get the respect uh like even the respect get the respect that they deserve that they deserve that they deserve and that's it really they don't want to and that's it really they don't want to and that's it really they don't want to live live live um in the country you don't want to live um in the country you don't want to live um in the country you don't want to live in a in a neighborhood where you don't in a in a neighborhood where you don't in a in a neighborhood where you don't feel safe by the people that feel safe by the people that feel safe by the people that should protect you should protect you should protect you whilst we're speaking about power you

15:30whilst we're speaking about power you whilst we're speaking about power you have rubbed shoulders with some of the have rubbed shoulders with some of the have rubbed shoulders with some of the most powerful people in politics and in most powerful people in politics and in most powerful people in politics and in football from Jose Mourinho to Emmanuel football from Jose Mourinho to Emmanuel football from Jose Mourinho to Emmanuel macron where have you seen good macron where have you seen good macron where have you seen good leadership uh I think there's different leadership uh I think there's different leadership uh I think there's different kind of leaders Asus Zlatan

15:42kind of leaders Asus Zlatan kind of leaders Asus Zlatan is a leader which is Harsh he's strong is a leader which is Harsh he's strong is a leader which is Harsh he's strong you know with me I'm fine you know like you know with me I'm fine you know like you know with me I'm fine you know like he could like just uh you he could like just uh you he could like just uh you you play very bad yesterday what were you play very bad yesterday what were you play very bad yesterday what were you doing you can't go train today you you doing you can't go train today you you doing you can't go train today you know stuff like that so he's a leader he know stuff like that so he's a leader he

15:59know stuff like that so he's a leader he wants you to win wants you to win wants you to win but he say it in the harsh way which I but he say it in the harsh way which I but he say it in the harsh way which I like it you know some people like some like it you know some people like some like it you know some people like some people don't so he can bring some people people don't so he can bring some people people don't so he can bring some people very hard and can bring some people down very hard and can bring some people down very hard and can bring some people down with the Latin you need to be strong with the Latin you need to be strong

16:11with the Latin you need to be strong mentally okay it's like kind of a Jordan mentally okay it's like kind of a Jordan mentally okay it's like kind of a Jordan I would say Jordan style Michael Jordan I would say Jordan style Michael Jordan I would say Jordan style Michael Jordan yeah and I see a Patrice Evra with your yeah and I see a Patrice Evra with your yeah and I see a Patrice Evra with your leader in national team uh in Manchester leader in national team uh in Manchester leader in national team uh in Manchester that is totally different he comes and that is totally different he comes and that is totally different he comes and he talks to you you try you know the

16:25he talks to you you try you know the he talks to you you try you know the nice way sometimes you know he can go nice way sometimes you know he can go nice way sometimes you know he can go hard on you but no all the time hard on you but no all the time hard on you but no all the time so there's different kind of leaders and so there's different kind of leaders and so there's different kind of leaders and there's some leaders that they don't there's some leaders that they don't there's some leaders that they don't really speak but on the pitch they will really speak but on the pitch they will really speak but on the pitch they will always show you always show you

16:37always show you um an example I will give you here in um an example I will give you here in um an example I will give you here in Italy pierlo Italy pierlo Italy pierlo Piero was a leader on the pitch bigly Piero was a leader on the pitch bigly Piero was a leader on the pitch bigly there is not someone that speaks a lot there is not someone that speaks a lot there is not someone that speaks a lot and everything in the changing room but and everything in the changing room but and everything in the changing room but on the pitch it was like give you this on the pitch it was like give you this on the pitch it was like give you this confidence distress and everything you

16:53confidence distress and everything you confidence distress and everything you know so it's a different kind of leader know so it's a different kind of leader know so it's a different kind of leader described you as having taken a described you as having taken a described you as having taken a leadership role in some way in the leadership role in some way in the leadership role in some way in the French national team French national team French national team but you're quite a complex character and but you're quite a complex character and but you're quite a complex character and I wonder do you see yourself as a leader I wonder do you see yourself as a leader

17:05I wonder do you see yourself as a leader or do you see yourself as somebody that or do you see yourself as somebody that or do you see yourself as somebody that kind of floats in between how do you see kind of floats in between how do you see kind of floats in between how do you see yourself as an individual I can't say I yourself as an individual I can't say I yourself as an individual I can't say I think I'm a leader no I think that's think I'm a leader no I think that's think I'm a leader no I think that's people would tell you if you are or not people would tell you if you are or not people would tell you if you are or not I'm just being myself I'm just being myself

17:18I'm just being myself something that I know I will do something that I know I will do something that I know I will do everything to win everything to win everything to win and the people that the the players that and the people that the the players that and the people that the the players that they're around me I will make sure that they're around me I will make sure that they're around me I will make sure that we win so we win so we win so yeah that's why I will give my best I yeah that's why I will give my best I yeah that's why I will give my best I will give hundred will give hundred will give hundred to my teammates to everyone so we can to my teammates to everyone so we can

17:37to my teammates to everyone so we can win win win you talk about this hunger and having you talk about this hunger and having you talk about this hunger and having the hunger back and this energy and the hunger back and this energy and the hunger back and this energy and wanting to win when is the time that wanting to win when is the time that wanting to win when is the time that you've been most satisfied in your life you've been most satisfied in your life you've been most satisfied in your life never never no you've never been never never no you've never been never never no you've never been satisfied satisfied no really yeah you satisfied satisfied no really yeah you

17:51satisfied satisfied no really yeah you always want more always want more I always want more always want more I always want more always want more I always want more we greedy always want more we greedy always want more we greedy really you know it's something that really you know it's something that really you know it's something that we happy and being like very happy but we happy and being like very happy but we happy and being like very happy but like I said earlier like I said earlier like I said earlier It's never enough I mean you just look It's never enough I mean you just look It's never enough I mean you just look Cristiano Ronaldo Messi they always have

18:09Cristiano Ronaldo Messi they always have Cristiano Ronaldo Messi they always have to prove again that they are Cristiano to prove again that they are Cristiano to prove again that they are Cristiano and Messi after everything that they've and Messi after everything that they've and Messi after everything that they've done the football is very beautiful but done the football is very beautiful but done the football is very beautiful but it's cruel people can forget you the it's cruel people can forget you the it's cruel people can forget you the next day you can do something great The next day you can do something great The

18:22next day you can do something great The Next Day You're Nobody people are Next Day You're Nobody people are Next Day You're Nobody people are waiting for you waiting for you waiting for you see I'm done he's done his career is see I'm done he's done his career is see I'm done he's done his career is finished like so many things like I'm finished like so many things like I'm finished like so many things like I'm over you know I'm dead over you know I'm dead over you know I'm dead Pogba doesn't exist anymore you know I'm Pogba doesn't exist anymore you know I'm Pogba doesn't exist anymore you know I'm not a good player not even a one of one not a good player not even a one of one

18:40not a good player not even a one of one of the best I'm not a good player always of the best I'm not a good player always of the best I'm not a good player always injured injured injured like like like you get all this comment and everything you get all this comment and everything you get all this comment and everything after after after an example doing uh a good career or an example doing uh a good career or an example doing uh a good career or scoring goals like winning the World Cup scoring goals like winning the World Cup scoring goals like winning the World Cup I mean people forget I mean people forget I mean people forget so you have to prove it's something that

18:58so you have to prove it's something that so you have to prove it's something that you have to prove all the time and even you have to prove all the time and even you have to prove all the time and even more when like you said with the racing more when like you said with the racing more when like you said with the racing and stuff like that for me that's what I and stuff like that for me that's what I and stuff like that for me that's what I feel I have to show even more I can't feel I have to show even more I can't feel I have to show even more I can't imagine the level of pressure like it imagine the level of pressure like it

19:10imagine the level of pressure like it makes me tired it makes me tired to makes me tired it makes me tired to makes me tired it makes me tired to think of that to never feel satisfied so think of that to never feel satisfied so think of that to never feel satisfied so then your religion gives you a space then your religion gives you a space then your religion gives you a space where I guess you can sit down and have where I guess you can sit down and have where I guess you can sit down and have some peace for sure I mean you see we some peace for sure I mean you see we some peace for sure I mean you see we just not a long time ago I saw just not a long time ago I saw

19:23just not a long time ago I saw dele Alli yeah something you did the dele Alli yeah something you did the dele Alli yeah something you did the interview recently and he spoke about interview recently and he spoke about interview recently and he spoke about the issues that he has had to do with the issues that he has had to do with the issues that he has had to do with trauma and what that led to with him yes trauma and what that led to with him yes trauma and what that led to with him yes it's so easy now after that he speak out it's so easy now after that he speak out it's so easy now after that he speak out everybody ah they're all behind him or everybody ah they're all behind him or

19:38everybody ah they're all behind him or they all support him but they've been they all support him but they've been they all support him but they've been having all this moment and they've been having all this moment and they've been having all this moment and they've been killing him killing him killing him but who when they were killing him I but who when they were killing him I but who when they were killing him I never seen nobody never seen nobody never seen nobody I mean in the media saying I mean maybe I mean in the media saying I mean maybe I mean in the media saying I mean maybe there's something you know let's ask him there's something you know let's ask him

19:52there's something you know let's ask him what's going on you know are you okay what's going on you know are you okay what's going on you know are you okay mentally and stuff like that we're going mentally and stuff like that we're going mentally and stuff like that we're going through a lot through a lot through a lot we are here we we grow up to play we are here we we grow up to play we are here we we grow up to play football football football we didn't grow up to get ready for the we didn't grow up to get ready for the we didn't grow up to get ready for the media media media because me some media they will because me some media they will

20:09because me some media they will bring you up so high and then bring you bring you up so high and then bring you bring you up so high and then bring you down but like to destroy you down but like to destroy you down but like to destroy you and he's is and it's hard like I didn't and he's is and it's hard like I didn't and he's is and it's hard like I didn't learn to get ready for uh the the learn to get ready for uh the the learn to get ready for uh the the negative talk the criticists the racism negative talk the criticists the racism negative talk the criticists the racism and stuff like that I just came to play and stuff like that I just came to play

20:25and stuff like that I just came to play football I enjoyed playing football I football I enjoyed playing football I football I enjoyed playing football I was in the hood with my friend we were was in the hood with my friend we were was in the hood with my friend we were playing then after you get to a first playing then after you get to a first playing then after you get to a first team you play you score goals you get team you play you score goals you get team you play you score goals you get all the praise and all the best young all the praise and all the best young all the praise and all the best young player and this and that and then things player and this and that and then things

20:39player and this and that and then things happen in his life and they're happen in his life and they're happen in his life and they're destroying him they don't even ask him destroying him they don't even ask him destroying him they don't even ask him if he's okay mentally and stuff like if he's okay mentally and stuff like if he's okay mentally and stuff like that they don't care I completely that they don't care I completely that they don't care I completely understand their point but I think also understand their point but I think also understand their point but I think also it's difficult because people see it's difficult because people see

20:51it's difficult because people see footballers as being very lucky and footballers as being very lucky and footballers as being very lucky and having a lot of money so some people see having a lot of money so some people see having a lot of money so some people see that as the payoff for the lifestyle that as the payoff for the lifestyle that as the payoff for the lifestyle that they have that they have that they have it's true you have to accept it it's true you have to accept it it's true you have to accept it but nobody deserves to be but nobody deserves to be but nobody deserves to be criticized like like that the people criticized like like that the people

21:07criticized like like that the people that criticize they didn't give them the that criticize they didn't give them the that criticize they didn't give them the money money money I mean they're good players they're I mean they're good players they're I mean they're good players they're talented talented talented they work their own life to be there they work their own life to be there they work their own life to be there they didn't steal it now the football they didn't steal it now the football they didn't steal it now the football changed people get a lot of money more changed people get a lot of money more changed people get a lot of money more than before and maybe in 10 years it's

21:23than before and maybe in 10 years it's than before and maybe in 10 years it's gonna be even more and it's like that gonna be even more and it's like that gonna be even more and it's like that there's so many players that they lost there's so many players that they lost there's so many players that they lost it mentally they didn't even want to it mentally they didn't even want to it mentally they didn't even want to play football anymore because of all the play football anymore because of all the play football anymore because of all the negative thought and all the negative negative thought and all the negative negative thought and all the negative critics and and all this we've spoken

21:37critics and and all this we've spoken critics and and all this we've spoken about the media and that side of things about the media and that side of things about the media and that side of things and the pressure on that side but I've and the pressure on that side but I've and the pressure on that side but I've interviewed a lot of people who are interviewed a lot of people who are interviewed a lot of people who are artists or athletes who have come from artists or athletes who have come from artists or athletes who have come from very difficult backgrounds and achieved very difficult backgrounds and achieved very difficult backgrounds and achieved fantastic things incredible things even

21:48fantastic things incredible things even fantastic things incredible things even and I'm surprised at how often that and I'm surprised at how often that and I'm surprised at how often that success and money singles them out as success and money singles them out as success and money singles them out as potential targets for people from their potential targets for people from their potential targets for people from their previous life I interviewed niska the previous life I interviewed niska the previous life I interviewed niska the rapper and he said to me from the moment rapper and he said to me from the moment rapper and he said to me from the moment you get some success there's one thing

22:01you get some success there's one thing you get some success there's one thing you need to think about and that's the you need to think about and that's the you need to think about and that's the Entourage what do you think about that Entourage what do you think about that Entourage what do you think about that two two two definitely definitely definitely I mean I mean I mean the only people can can hurt you is the the only people can can hurt you is the the only people can can hurt you is the people that they are close to you

22:19that's it the enemies you know where that's it the enemies you know where they are they are they are and they will not like you know that and they will not like you know that and they will not like you know that they're but the people that they close they're but the people that they close they're but the people that they close their friends family that you think they their friends family that you think they their friends family that you think they always they will have like they're happy always they will have like they're happy always they will have like they're happy for you for you for you they can tell the one that they can they can tell the one that they can

22:32they can tell the one that they can like destroy you like destroy you like destroy you destroy you so yeah it's definitely is destroy you so yeah it's definitely is destroy you so yeah it's definitely is people will change when you get money people will change when you get money people will change when you get money and stuff the money change people and stuff the money change people and stuff the money change people and that's the reality and that's the reality and that's the reality and there are lots of examples of and there are lots of examples of and there are lots of examples of stories like this that have happened and stories like this that have happened and

22:47stories like this that have happened and you've had your own situation where you've had your own situation where you've had your own situation where you've been dealing with a Fallout of a you've been dealing with a Fallout of a you've been dealing with a Fallout of a very serial experience where you very serial experience where you very serial experience where you detained a gunpoint by a group of men detained a gunpoint by a group of men detained a gunpoint by a group of men some of them that you'd known since some of them that you'd known since some of them that you'd known since childhood and you've said that they were childhood and you've said that they were

22:57childhood and you've said that they were demanding money from you I know there's demanding money from you I know there's demanding money from you I know there's a legal case going on at the moment so a legal case going on at the moment so a legal case going on at the moment so we can't speak about the specifics but we can't speak about the specifics but we can't speak about the specifics but can you tell me a bit about how that can you tell me a bit about how that can you tell me a bit about how that saga's impacted on you personally and saga's impacted on you personally and saga's impacted on you personally and professionally professionally

23:07professionally I was no I was living like it was like a I was no I was living like it was like a I was no I was living like it was like a movie to me um movie to me um movie to me um it was like a movie it was like a movie it was like a movie um when there is money you have to be um when there is money you have to be um when there is money you have to be careful money change people careful money change people careful money change people so so so can break up with family you can create can break up with family you can create can break up with family you can create a world can create everything man a world can create everything man

23:25a world can create everything man sometimes like I was just by myself sometimes like I was just by myself sometimes like I was just by myself thinking thinking thinking I don't want to have money anymore I I don't want to have money anymore I I don't want to have money anymore I just don't want to play anymore I just just don't want to play anymore I just just don't want to play anymore I just want to be with like normal people so want to be with like normal people so want to be with like normal people so they will love me for me not for the they will love me for me not for the they will love me for me not for the fame not for the money sometimes it's fame not for the money sometimes it's

23:43fame not for the money sometimes it's tough and like I said like Allah helped tough and like I said like Allah helped tough and like I said like Allah helped me I realize that this is life you have me I realize that this is life you have me I realize that this is life you have to go through it it will only make me to go through it it will only make me to go through it it will only make me stronger stronger stronger talked about how influential your late talked about how influential your late talked about how influential your late father was for you in instilling values father was for you in instilling values father was for you in instilling values in you and you now have three children

23:58in you and you now have three children in you and you now have three children so what are the values that you want to so what are the values that you want to so what are the values that you want to instill in them one that I will give instill in them one that I will give instill in them one that I will give them is them is them is yes something to do with money obviously yes something to do with money obviously yes something to do with money obviously and their work you know we work our and their work you know we work our and their work you know we work our whole life to make sure that they get a whole life to make sure that they get a

24:14whole life to make sure that they get a better lifestyle but I don't want them better lifestyle but I don't want them better lifestyle but I don't want them to think that it's to think that it's to think that it's it's normal I want them to go and work it's normal I want them to go and work it's normal I want them to go and work hard not only work but work hard and do hard not only work but work hard and do hard not only work but work hard and do their own things you have to work to their own things you have to work to their own things you have to work to game game game to get your your money to gain anything to get your your money to gain anything

24:29to get your your money to gain anything in life you know I want them to in life you know I want them to in life you know I want them to um to follow their dream also and it um to follow their dream also and it um to follow their dream also and it doesn't have to be doesn't have to be doesn't have to be football and it doesn't have to be uh football and it doesn't have to be uh football and it doesn't have to be uh something with crazy money or whatever something with crazy money or whatever something with crazy money or whatever but just something that they love thank but just something that they love thank but just something that they love thank you for taking the time and joining me

24:46you for taking the time and joining me you for taking the time and joining me on generation sport thank you so much on generation sport thank you so much on generation sport thank you so much [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign