Tom Holland on Sobriety, Mental Health, and Staying Grounded

00:01I just felt like I was so addicted to I just felt like I was so addicted to this kind of false version of my life this kind of false version of my life this kind of false version of my life that it was just taking over. And the that it was just taking over. And the that it was just taking over. And the thing that really upset me is the press thing that really upset me is the press thing that really upset me is the press ran with that. They were saying, "Oh, ran with that. They were saying, "Oh, ran with that. They were saying, "Oh, look, he's not the perfect look, he's not the perfect look, he's not the perfect happy-go-lucky kid you think he is. He's happy-go-lucky kid you think he is. He's

00:12happy-go-lucky kid you think he is. He's having a nervous breakdown in New York." having a nervous breakdown in New York." having a nervous breakdown in New York." If I was having a mental breakdown, If I was having a mental breakdown, If I was having a mental breakdown, that's not for you to report on. They that's not for you to report on. They that's not for you to report on. They took the story in the wrong direction, took the story in the wrong direction, took the story in the wrong direction, and they kind of painted people looking and they kind of painted people looking and they kind of painted people looking for help in the wrong light. for help in the wrong light.

00:23for help in the wrong light. author and host author and host author and host The number one health and wellness The number one health and wellness The number one health and wellness podcast podcast podcast On Purpose with Jay Shetty On Purpose with Jay Shetty On Purpose with Jay Shetty A lot of studies show that how we were A lot of studies show that how we were A lot of studies show that how we were loved or unloved between the ages of loved or unloved between the ages of loved or unloved between the ages of zero to five impact the next 15, 25, 50 zero to five impact the next 15, 25, 50 zero to five impact the next 15, 25, 50 years of our life Wow. years of our life Wow.

00:42years of our life Wow. and how we give love to ourselves and and how we give love to ourselves and and how we give love to ourselves and how we give love to others. how we give love to others. how we give love to others. And so, I was thinking, do you have a And so, I was thinking, do you have a And so, I was thinking, do you have a core memory or an experience with your core memory or an experience with your core memory or an experience with your family from childhood that kind of family from childhood that kind of family from childhood that kind of embodies the feeling you have about them embodies the feeling you have about them

00:54embodies the feeling you have about them now or that keeps you tied close to now or that keeps you tied close to now or that keeps you tied close to them? I'd say sort of more than a memory them? I'd say sort of more than a memory them? I'd say sort of more than a memory is just a feeling that we I could say is just a feeling that we I could say is just a feeling that we I could say all of my brothers and I had was that all of my brothers and I had was that all of my brothers and I had was that because our dad's a comedian because our dad's a comedian because our dad's a comedian his job his job his job only ever existed once we had gone to only ever existed once we had gone to

01:10only ever existed once we had gone to bed. And our mom worked from home, she bed. And our mom worked from home, she bed. And our mom worked from home, she was a photographer. So, to us as kids, was a photographer. So, to us as kids, was a photographer. So, to us as kids, our parents didn't really work. They our parents didn't really work. They our parents didn't really work. They just were always home. So, we had this just were always home. So, we had this just were always home. So, we had this amazing foundation where amazing foundation where amazing foundation where no matter any time of the day, either no matter any time of the day, either

01:23no matter any time of the day, either mom or dad would be at the house, and we mom or dad would be at the house, and we mom or dad would be at the house, and we felt so kind of solid as a family, which felt so kind of solid as a family, which felt so kind of solid as a family, which is why like I kind of have this dream of is why like I kind of have this dream of is why like I kind of have this dream of one day having kids and putting my work one day having kids and putting my work one day having kids and putting my work to bed and just kind of being there as a to bed and just kind of being there as a to bed and just kind of being there as a dad, cuz I really admire how my dad was

01:37dad, cuz I really admire how my dad was dad, cuz I really admire how my dad was round, you know, being a comedian is a round, you know, being a comedian is a round, you know, being a comedian is a very, very volatile job. The The highs very, very volatile job. The The highs very, very volatile job. The The highs and lows are so extreme, and as kids, we and lows are so extreme, and as kids, we and lows are so extreme, and as kids, we never saw that. The only version of my never saw that. The only version of my never saw that. The only version of my dad I ever saw was the happy dad, let's dad I ever saw was the happy dad, let's

01:49dad I ever saw was the happy dad, let's go to the park. We used to play this go to the park. We used to play this go to the park. We used to play this game called golf goals, where we would game called golf goals, where we would game called golf goals, where we would go down to the park, there's like this go down to the park, there's like this go down to the park, there's like this big blue metal goal, and we would just big blue metal goal, and we would just big blue metal goal, and we would just fire golf balls into that goal every fire golf balls into that goal every fire golf balls into that goal every day, and he would give us 10p every time day, and he would give us 10p every time

02:02day, and he would give us 10p every time a ball went in the goal, and that was a ball went in the goal, and that was a ball went in the goal, and that was kind of the foundation of our golf and kind of the foundation of our golf and kind of the foundation of our golf and and all that sort of stuff. So, for me, and all that sort of stuff. So, for me, and all that sort of stuff. So, for me, broader than a core memory was the idea broader than a core memory was the idea broader than a core memory was the idea of always feeling connected and safe of always feeling connected and safe of always feeling connected and safe within my family unit, and I think a within my family unit, and I think a

02:15within my family unit, and I think a large portion of that is that my mom and large portion of that is that my mom and large portion of that is that my mom and dad have always been such a solid team, dad have always been such a solid team, dad have always been such a solid team, and they've always been there for us. and they've always been there for us. and they've always been there for us. Yeah, wow. Have they, as you've grown Yeah, wow. Have they, as you've grown Yeah, wow. Have they, as you've grown older, have they kind of opened up about older, have they kind of opened up about older, have they kind of opened up about some of the challenges that they were

02:29some of the challenges that they were some of the challenges that they were going through that they obviously didn't going through that they obviously didn't going through that they obviously didn't show you and your family when you were show you and your family when you were show you and your family when you were kids? Because I can imagine we always kids? Because I can imagine we always kids? Because I can imagine we always talk about this, right? Like being a talk about this, right? Like being a talk about this, right? Like being a comedian's extremely difficult because comedian's extremely difficult because comedian's extremely difficult because you're making everyone else laugh. At

02:38you're making everyone else laugh. At you're making everyone else laugh. At the same time, it's it's a career path the same time, it's it's a career path the same time, it's it's a career path that, like you said, is completely that, like you said, is completely that, like you said, is completely volatile. Sure. volatile. Sure. volatile. Sure. Have Have they opened up as time's gone Have Have they opened up as time's gone Have Have they opened up as time's gone on, and how is that felt when you've on, and how is that felt when you've on, and how is that felt when you've gone from like seeing your parents gone from like seeing your parents

02:48gone from like seeing your parents always being happy to being like, "Oh, always being happy to being like, "Oh, always being happy to being like, "Oh, wait, there was all this other stuff wait, there was all this other stuff wait, there was all this other stuff going on."? Absolutely, they have. And going on."? Absolutely, they have. And going on."? Absolutely, they have. And And it's not even sometimes things that And it's not even sometimes things that And it's not even sometimes things that they've told us. It's just things that they've told us. It's just things that they've told us. It's just things that we've grown up to recognize. As a young we've grown up to recognize. As a young

02:58we've grown up to recognize. As a young kid, you know, you're not looking to kid, you know, you're not looking to kid, you know, you're not looking to How's my mom feeling? How's my dad How's my mom feeling? How's my dad How's my mom feeling? How's my dad feeling? And now, as an as an older feeling? And now, as an as an older feeling? And now, as an as an older person, you know, those are things I person, you know, those are things I person, you know, those are things I care about. I want to call my mom cuz I care about. I want to call my mom cuz I care about. I want to call my mom cuz I know it will brighten her day. So, know it will brighten her day. So,

03:08know it will brighten her day. So, that's all part of growing up, I guess. that's all part of growing up, I guess. that's all part of growing up, I guess. So, seeing So, seeing So, seeing the way in which my dad's job affects the way in which my dad's job affects the way in which my dad's job affects him or my dad's job affects my mom is him or my dad's job affects my mom is him or my dad's job affects my mom is something we've all something we've all something we've all sort of come to terms with, and he's sort of come to terms with, and he's sort of come to terms with, and he's amazing at it. I mean, to be honest, I amazing at it. I mean, to be honest, I

03:23amazing at it. I mean, to be honest, I say affect, it doesn't really affect say affect, it doesn't really affect say affect, it doesn't really affect anyone. He's so good at handling it. Um anyone. He's so good at handling it. Um anyone. He's so good at handling it. Um which is a lot of why I feel like I am which is a lot of why I feel like I am which is a lot of why I feel like I am the way I am. For example, The Crowded the way I am. For example, The Crowded the way I am. For example, The Crowded Room's come out, the critics absolutely Room's come out, the critics absolutely Room's come out, the critics absolutely hated it. They thought it was the worst

03:34hated it. They thought it was the worst hated it. They thought it was the worst thing they've ever seen, and it doesn't thing they've ever seen, and it doesn't thing they've ever seen, and it doesn't really upset me. And I think a large really upset me. And I think a large really upset me. And I think a large part of my feeling towards that has come part of my feeling towards that has come part of my feeling towards that has come from my dad being able to do a gig, the from my dad being able to do a gig, the from my dad being able to do a gig, the gig not going well, him brushing it off gig not going well, him brushing it off

03:45gig not going well, him brushing it off his shoulder, and just right onto the his shoulder, and just right onto the his shoulder, and just right onto the next one. Yeah, well, and and first of next one. Yeah, well, and and first of next one. Yeah, well, and and first of all, I want to point out as as So, I've all, I want to point out as as So, I've all, I want to point out as as So, I've been watching The Crowded Room, right? been watching The Crowded Room, right? been watching The Crowded Room, right? And me and my wife have been watching it And me and my wife have been watching it And me and my wife have been watching it together and we are actually really

03:55together and we are actually really together and we are actually really enjoying it. enjoying it. enjoying it. And so like we're actually loving it And so like we're actually loving it And so like we're actually loving it because I love a show that has mystery because I love a show that has mystery because I love a show that has mystery that's trying to like get me to figure that's trying to like get me to figure that's trying to like get me to figure it out and get me to think about it. I'm it out and get me to think about it. I'm it out and get me to think about it. I'm kind of confused and I love stuff like kind of confused and I love stuff like

04:06kind of confused and I love stuff like that. Like I'm a massive that. Like I'm a massive that. Like I'm a massive Christopher Nolan fan. So, all my Christopher Nolan fan. So, all my Christopher Nolan fan. So, all my favorite movies are Nolan movies and the favorite movies are Nolan movies and the favorite movies are Nolan movies and the reason why I love them is cuz I've no reason why I love them is cuz I've no reason why I love them is cuz I've no idea what's going on. And that's what idea what's going on. And that's what idea what's going on. And that's what And you got to figure it out and I love And you got to figure it out and I love

04:16And you got to figure it out and I love puzzles and I love escape rooms and I puzzles and I love escape rooms and I puzzles and I love escape rooms and I love anything that Yeah, I love anything love anything that Yeah, I love anything love anything that Yeah, I love anything that's got me thinking what is going on that's got me thinking what is going on that's got me thinking what is going on here and why can't I figure it out. here and why can't I figure it out. here and why can't I figure it out. Mate, do you know what you should watch? Mate, do you know what you should watch? Mate, do you know what you should watch? I I admittedly watch it to go to sleep

04:27I I admittedly watch it to go to sleep I I admittedly watch it to go to sleep if I'm ever feeling stressed or like if I'm ever feeling stressed or like if I'm ever feeling stressed or like overstimulated, overstimulated, overstimulated, I watch this guy called Chris Ramsay. I watch this guy called Chris Ramsay. I watch this guy called Chris Ramsay. He's like a YouTube guy. He's a He's like a YouTube guy. He's a He's like a YouTube guy. He's a magician, but I just watch him solve magician, but I just watch him solve magician, but I just watch him solve puzzles. He like buys these Japanese puzzles. He like buys these Japanese puzzles. He like buys these Japanese like handcrafted

04:42like handcrafted like handcrafted puzzle boxes and he just solves them and puzzle boxes and he just solves them and puzzle boxes and he just solves them and I've started buying them and they come I've started buying them and they come I've started buying them and they come to the house and you sit down for to the house and you sit down for to the house and you sit down for 4 hours, put it down, pick it up, and 4 hours, put it down, pick it up, and 4 hours, put it down, pick it up, and try and solve this puzzle and it's try and solve this puzzle and it's try and solve this puzzle and it's amazing. Are you any good at them? No, amazing. Are you any good at them? No,

04:55amazing. Are you any good at them? No, I'm terrible at them. I'm absolutely I'm terrible at them. I'm absolutely I'm terrible at them. I'm absolutely terrible. I've had an unsolved Rubik's terrible. I've had an unsolved Rubik's terrible. I've had an unsolved Rubik's Cube since I was like 11. But I am But Cube since I was like 11. But I am But Cube since I was like 11. But I am But yeah, so I watch these videos cuz yeah, so I watch these videos cuz yeah, so I watch these videos cuz there's just something about like the there's just something about like the there's just something about like the sound of the wood. I'm a carpenter, so I sound of the wood. I'm a carpenter, so I

05:07sound of the wood. I'm a carpenter, so I love like craftsmanship and that sort of love like craftsmanship and that sort of love like craftsmanship and that sort of stuff. So, I love the way that these stuff. So, I love the way that these stuff. So, I love the way that these pieces are put together. So, watching pieces are put together. So, watching pieces are put together. So, watching him solve the puzzles, I find so him solve the puzzles, I find so him solve the puzzles, I find so relaxing. relaxing. relaxing. Yeah, I think for so many of us, you Yeah, I think for so many of us, you Yeah, I think for so many of us, you know, getting bad know, getting bad

05:20know, getting bad reviews, perceptions, reviews, perceptions, reviews, perceptions, people talking about us, whatever that people talking about us, whatever that people talking about us, whatever that may be, whatever scale we live at, can may be, whatever scale we live at, can may be, whatever scale we live at, can actually affect us. And you saying that actually affect us. And you saying that actually affect us. And you saying that actually seeing your dad actually seeing your dad actually seeing your dad letting him seeing him shrug it off and letting him seeing him shrug it off and letting him seeing him shrug it off and seeing him move on actually really

05:33seeing him move on actually really seeing him move on actually really helped him. Do you think that you've helped him. Do you think that you've helped him. Do you think that you've been able to been able to been able to create a bit more of a skill around that create a bit more of a skill around that create a bit more of a skill around that now or is it something that happens now or is it something that happens now or is it something that happens naturally for you because I'm guessing naturally for you because I'm guessing naturally for you because I'm guessing that there's a lot of people who are that there's a lot of people who are

05:42that there's a lot of people who are listening and watching going, "Tom, listening and watching going, "Tom, listening and watching going, "Tom, that's pretty amazing that you you do that's pretty amazing that you you do that's pretty amazing that you you do that at your scale and your level, but that at your scale and your level, but that at your scale and your level, but you know, I'm still affected by that or you know, I'm still affected by that or you know, I'm still affected by that or I really struggle when my mate says I really struggle when my mate says I really struggle when my mate says something. Like I don't The number one something. Like I don't The number one

05:53something. Like I don't The number one thing I hear is like most people don't thing I hear is like most people don't thing I hear is like most people don't chase their dreams because they're chase their dreams because they're chase their dreams because they're scared of what their mates will say, let scared of what their mates will say, let scared of what their mates will say, let alone what the world will say. alone what the world will say. alone what the world will say. Yeah, like I had this late I was I was Yeah, like I had this late I was I was Yeah, like I had this late I was I was flying back last night as I was telling flying back last night as I was telling

06:03flying back last night as I was telling you. So I was on a plane from DC to you. So I was on a plane from DC to you. So I was on a plane from DC to London last night and the air hostess, London last night and the air hostess, London last night and the air hostess, she was wonderful, her name was Janette. she was wonderful, her name was Janette. she was wonderful, her name was Janette. She said to me, she was like, "Jay, I She said to me, she was like, "Jay, I She said to me, she was like, "Jay, I really want to start a YouTube channel, really want to start a YouTube channel, really want to start a YouTube channel, but you know, you just got to block out

06:13but you know, you just got to block out but you know, you just got to block out what your friends are going to say, what your friends are going to say, what your friends are going to say, right?" was just worried about it. So right?" was just worried about it. So right?" was just worried about it. So that it's a very real thing. So I guess that it's a very real thing. So I guess that it's a very real thing. So I guess have you kind of figured out a little have you kind of figured out a little have you kind of figured out a little formula for it or is it just natural formula for it or is it just natural formula for it or is it just natural because you saw your dad and it's become

06:23because you saw your dad and it's become because you saw your dad and it's become easier that way? I think it's a little easier that way? I think it's a little easier that way? I think it's a little bit of both, really. You know, I think bit of both, really. You know, I think bit of both, really. You know, I think it's something you definitely get better it's something you definitely get better it's something you definitely get better at. I'm really lucky that I have an at. I'm really lucky that I have an at. I'm really lucky that I have an incredibly strong group of friends. Like incredibly strong group of friends. Like

06:34incredibly strong group of friends. Like one of my best mates just called me up one of my best mates just called me up one of my best mates just called me up earlier to say he'd seen the fifth earlier to say he'd seen the fifth earlier to say he'd seen the fifth episode and he's like, "I know what episode and he's like, "I know what episode and he's like, "I know what happens in the show and I'm still loving happens in the show and I'm still loving happens in the show and I'm still loving it. The people I'm watching it with have it. The people I'm watching it with have it. The people I'm watching it with have no idea what's going on, but they can't no idea what's going on, but they can't

06:44no idea what's going on, but they can't wait for the next one." Yeah. So, you wait for the next one." Yeah. So, you wait for the next one." Yeah. So, you know, I really, really hold high the know, I really, really hold high the know, I really, really hold high the opinions of people that I really care opinions of people that I really care opinions of people that I really care about. I'm also really lucky to have an about. I'm also really lucky to have an about. I'm also really lucky to have an amazing group of fans who are so amazing group of fans who are so amazing group of fans who are so supportive. They are die-hard. They are supportive. They are die-hard. They are

06:57supportive. They are die-hard. They are there day one. there day one. there day one. And that makes me feel really good. But And that makes me feel really good. But And that makes me feel really good. But I I do think a lot of my lessons in life I I do think a lot of my lessons in life I I do think a lot of my lessons in life have come from my dad and the ways that have come from my dad and the ways that have come from my dad and the ways that he can deal with things, things that he he can deal with things, things that he he can deal with things, things that he hasn't done very well in the past that hasn't done very well in the past that

07:08hasn't done very well in the past that he's passed on to me. he's passed on to me. he's passed on to me. And And And I sort of I sort of I sort of I live by this really I don't actually I live by this really I don't actually I live by this really I don't actually know if Christian Bale did say this, but know if Christian Bale did say this, but know if Christian Bale did say this, but apparently apparently apparently I love Christian Bale. I love Christian I love Christian Bale. I love Christian I love Christian Bale. I love Christian Bale. We'll say he said it. Yeah. We'll Bale. We'll say he said it. Yeah. We'll Bale. We'll say he said it. Yeah. We'll say We'll say he said it. Yeah. But I

07:23say We'll say he said it. Yeah. But I say We'll say he said it. Yeah. But I think think think the quote is, "If you have a problem the quote is, "If you have a problem the quote is, "If you have a problem with me, text me and if you don't have with me, text me and if you don't have with me, text me and if you don't have my number, you don't know me well enough my number, you don't know me well enough my number, you don't know me well enough to have a problem with me." That's so to have a problem with me." That's so to have a problem with me." That's so good. good. good. And I think that that is such a great And I think that that is such a great

07:33And I think that that is such a great piece of advice because as a celebrity, piece of advice because as a celebrity, piece of advice because as a celebrity, you live on this stage. You live out you live on this stage. You live out you live on this stage. You live out there. You kind of give out a version of there. You kind of give out a version of there. You kind of give out a version of of that you want people to see Mhm. and of that you want people to see Mhm. and of that you want people to see Mhm. and that can be the version of yourself that that can be the version of yourself that that can be the version of yourself that they can have a problem with or they can

07:47they can have a problem with or they can they can have a problem with or they can love. And there is a you know, I feel love. And there is a you know, I feel love. And there is a you know, I feel like I'm quite authentic in my like I'm quite authentic in my like I'm quite authentic in my public persona, but I just try to really public persona, but I just try to really public persona, but I just try to really care about what my family thinks, what care about what my family thinks, what care about what my family thinks, what my friends think, my friends think, my friends think, what the people in my local community what the people in my local community

08:00what the people in my local community think. I live in Kingston, I know think. I live in Kingston, I know think. I live in Kingston, I know everyone that lives there. I can't walk everyone that lives there. I can't walk everyone that lives there. I can't walk 5 ft without bumping into one of my 5 ft without bumping into one of my 5 ft without bumping into one of my mom's friends. So yeah, so it's mom's friends. So yeah, so it's mom's friends. So yeah, so it's something I've been working on. something I've been working on. something I've been working on. I try my best to not let that stuff I try my best to not let that stuff I try my best to not let that stuff affect me. It does.

08:11affect me. It does. affect me. It does. Yeah, of course. I'm not cold-hearted or Yeah, of course. I'm not cold-hearted or Yeah, of course. I'm not cold-hearted or anything like that. It does affect me, anything like that. It does affect me, anything like that. It does affect me, but I just try to to move on and focus but I just try to to move on and focus but I just try to to move on and focus on the positives. on the positives. on the positives. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. What what Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. What what Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. What what was uh Did you ever see your dad deal was uh Did you ever see your dad deal

08:21was uh Did you ever see your dad deal with everything and you thought, "Wow, with everything and you thought, "Wow, with everything and you thought, "Wow, that was incredible." Like was there that was incredible." Like was there that was incredible." Like was there anything specific that you remember that anything specific that you remember that anything specific that you remember that like seeing him like tackle something like seeing him like tackle something like seeing him like tackle something and you thought, "Wow, that really and you thought, "Wow, that really and you thought, "Wow, that really impressed me." Even if it was something impressed me." Even if it was something

08:31impressed me." Even if it was something really small in hindsight? I think the really small in hindsight? I think the really small in hindsight? I think the thing I admire most about my dad is his thing I admire most about my dad is his thing I admire most about my dad is his resilience. You know, he's someone who resilience. You know, he's someone who resilience. You know, he's someone who has had an incredibly successful career has had an incredibly successful career has had an incredibly successful career in his earlier life and then later in in his earlier life and then later in in his earlier life and then later in life his career sort of plateaued and he

08:45life his career sort of plateaued and he life his career sort of plateaued and he struggled. And he's never stopped. He's struggled. And he's never stopped. He's struggled. And he's never stopped. He's never given up. He's still gigging to never given up. He's still gigging to never given up. He's still gigging to this day. He's still writing books. He this day. He's still writing books. He this day. He's still writing books. He has a patron. He has a podcast. He's has a patron. He has a podcast. He's has a patron. He has a podcast. He's constantly grafting to get to where he constantly grafting to get to where he constantly grafting to get to where he wants to be. wants to be.

08:58wants to be. And I think being a young kid and seeing And I think being a young kid and seeing And I think being a young kid and seeing your dad continually working as hard as your dad continually working as hard as your dad continually working as hard as he can to kind of put his best foot he can to kind of put his best foot he can to kind of put his best foot forward for me has been a huge drive for forward for me has been a huge drive for forward for me has been a huge drive for my work ethic. I'll give it 100% or I'll my work ethic. I'll give it 100% or I'll my work ethic. I'll give it 100% or I'll give it nothing. And I think a lot of give it nothing. And I think a lot of

09:12give it nothing. And I think a lot of that has come from my dad and seeing him that has come from my dad and seeing him that has come from my dad and seeing him deal with that. The funny thing about my deal with that. The funny thing about my deal with that. The funny thing about my dad is you talk about doing a bad gig, I dad is you talk about doing a bad gig, I dad is you talk about doing a bad gig, I must have seen him 20 times, I've never must have seen him 20 times, I've never must have seen him 20 times, I've never seen him do a bad gig. He always seems seen him do a bad gig. He always seems seen him do a bad gig. He always seems to absolutely rip it. Um but maybe

09:23to absolutely rip it. Um but maybe to absolutely rip it. Um but maybe that's just cuz we're in the audience. that's just cuz we're in the audience. that's just cuz we're in the audience. But he um but no, I I I owe a lot to my But he um but no, I I I owe a lot to my But he um but no, I I I owe a lot to my dad and a lot of the teachings are dad and a lot of the teachings are dad and a lot of the teachings are things he's told me and things I've just things he's told me and things I've just things he's told me and things I've just witnessed him do. witnessed him do. witnessed him do. Yeah. And was there ever a piece of Yeah. And was there ever a piece of

09:33Yeah. And was there ever a piece of feedback or a rumor or something you saw feedback or a rumor or something you saw feedback or a rumor or something you saw that did affect you where you actually that did affect you where you actually that did affect you where you actually thought well or at least made you stop thought well or at least made you stop thought well or at least made you stop and go God I'm trying to see the and go God I'm trying to see the and go God I'm trying to see the positives but this one's tough like like positives but this one's tough like like positives but this one's tough like like this actually this actually this actually made me have to pause and figure it out.

09:49made me have to pause and figure it out. made me have to pause and figure it out. Something that did really upset me Something that did really upset me Something that did really upset me I was in New York. I was shooting the I was in New York. I was shooting the I was in New York. I was shooting the crowning crowded room crowning crowded room crowning crowded room and I was having a really hard time with and I was having a really hard time with and I was having a really hard time with the job just because of how taxing it the job just because of how taxing it the job just because of how taxing it was the emotional capacity that I was was the emotional capacity that I was

10:01was the emotional capacity that I was having to get to every day having to get to every day having to get to every day and and and I decided to delete my Instagram because I decided to delete my Instagram because I decided to delete my Instagram because I just felt like I was so addicted to I just felt like I was so addicted to I just felt like I was so addicted to this kind of false version of my life this kind of false version of my life this kind of false version of my life that it was just taking over. I would be that it was just taking over. I would be that it was just taking over. I would be on set working. I'd come and sit in my on set working. I'd come and sit in my

10:15on set working. I'd come and sit in my chair and just scroll scroll scroll chair and just scroll scroll scroll chair and just scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll and it was scroll scroll and it was scroll scroll and it was it was becoming it was becoming it was becoming a problem. I was just obsessed with it a problem. I was just obsessed with it a problem. I was just obsessed with it and I was obsessed to find out what and I was obsessed to find out what and I was obsessed to find out what people were saying and how people what people were saying and how people what people were saying and how people what they thought about me. they thought about me. they thought about me. So I decided to

10:28So I decided to So I decided to make an announcement which unfortunately make an announcement which unfortunately make an announcement which unfortunately we have to do and say that I'm taking a we have to do and say that I'm taking a we have to do and say that I'm taking a break from social media and I and I break from social media and I and I break from social media and I and I tried to position myself and say like tried to position myself and say like tried to position myself and say like I'm taking a break from social media I'm taking a break from social media I'm taking a break from social media because I feel like my mental health because I feel like my mental health

10:39because I feel like my mental health will benefit from it. And the thing that will benefit from it. And the thing that will benefit from it. And the thing that really upset me is the press ran with really upset me is the press ran with really upset me is the press ran with that and they tried to make out that I that and they tried to make out that I that and they tried to make out that I was having this mental breakdown and was having this mental breakdown and was having this mental breakdown and what upset me was what upset me was what upset me was if I was having a mental breakdown if I was having a mental breakdown if I was having a mental breakdown that's not for you to report on. They

10:53that's not for you to report on. They that's not for you to report on. They they they took the story in the wrong they they took the story in the wrong they they took the story in the wrong direction and they try they painted direction and they try they painted direction and they try they painted again this negative light on mental again this negative light on mental again this negative light on mental health rather than saying health rather than saying health rather than saying oh he's doing it. It's okay that he's oh he's doing it. It's okay that he's oh he's doing it. It's okay that he's doing it so we should all feel okay to doing it so we should all feel okay to

11:06doing it so we should all feel okay to do it too. They were saying oh look he's do it too. They were saying oh look he's do it too. They were saying oh look he's not the perfect happy-go-lucky kid you not the perfect happy-go-lucky kid you not the perfect happy-go-lucky kid you think he is. He's having a nervous think he is. He's having a nervous think he is. He's having a nervous breakdown in New York. And I think that breakdown in New York. And I think that breakdown in New York. And I think that that was a really unfair line of that was a really unfair line of that was a really unfair line of journalism let's say because I just journalism let's say because I just

11:18journalism let's say because I just think it again kind of painted think it again kind of painted think it again kind of painted people people people looking for help in the wrong light if looking for help in the wrong light if looking for help in the wrong light if you know what I mean. you know what I mean. you know what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. It Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. It Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. It almost sounds like you were almost sounds like you were almost sounds like you were actually preemptively actually preemptively actually preemptively going I'm doing this so that I don't going I'm doing this so that I don't

11:34going I'm doing this so that I don't Right. Right. Right. go in that direction." go in that direction." go in that direction." Totally. at least I'm not trying to put Totally. at least I'm not trying to put Totally. at least I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but words in your mouth, but words in your mouth, but Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. it's almost like I'm proactively seeing it's almost like I'm proactively seeing it's almost like I'm proactively seeing that I could end up in a position where that I could end up in a position where that I could end up in a position where Sure. I might have a breakdown. I don't Sure. I might have a breakdown. I don't

11:44Sure. I might have a breakdown. I don't want to be in that position, and so I'm want to be in that position, and so I'm want to be in that position, and so I'm responsibly saying, "Guys, I'm taking a responsibly saying, "Guys, I'm taking a responsibly saying, "Guys, I'm taking a break break break Right. Right. Right. in order to protect myself." 100%. in order to protect myself." 100%. in order to protect myself." 100%. Yeah, which makes a lot of sense, and Yeah, which makes a lot of sense, and Yeah, which makes a lot of sense, and actually is quite admirable again. actually is quite admirable again. actually is quite admirable again. Totally. And that's kind of what the

11:55Totally. And that's kind of what the Totally. And that's kind of what the message of the show is about. Like the message of the show is about. Like the message of the show is about. Like the the message of our show is that asking the message of our show is that asking the message of our show is that asking for help should be something that we for help should be something that we for help should be something that we celebrate. If you're struggling, if you celebrate. If you're struggling, if you celebrate. If you're struggling, if you need help, need help, need help, if you feel bad, and you wake up, and if you feel bad, and you wake up, and

12:05if you feel bad, and you wake up, and and you go to a friend, a therapist, a and you go to a friend, a therapist, a and you go to a friend, a therapist, a teacher, an employee, or a colleague, teacher, an employee, or a colleague, teacher, an employee, or a colleague, and say, "I'm really struggling. I need and say, "I'm really struggling. I need and say, "I'm really struggling. I need some help." That should be something some help." That should be something some help." That should be something that we give you a pat on the back. Like that we give you a pat on the back. Like that we give you a pat on the back. Like I would love to help you. That I'm I'm I would love to help you. That I'm I'm

12:17I would love to help you. That I'm I'm delighted that you asked me. And that delighted that you asked me. And that delighted that you asked me. And that for me, that announcement was kind of my for me, that announcement was kind of my for me, that announcement was kind of my olive branch, and the press ran with it olive branch, and the press ran with it olive branch, and the press ran with it how they ran with it. But to be fair, it how they ran with it. But to be fair, it how they ran with it. But to be fair, it kind of gave me a great drive to finish kind of gave me a great drive to finish kind of gave me a great drive to finish The Crowded Room in the way that we did.

12:32The Crowded Room in the way that we did. The Crowded Room in the way that we did. To like, if you're not going to listen To like, if you're not going to listen To like, if you're not going to listen to my personal message, then you have to to my personal message, then you have to to my personal message, then you have to listen to the message of my show. Yeah. listen to the message of my show. Yeah. listen to the message of my show. Yeah. So it kind of went hand in hand. So it kind of went hand in hand. So it kind of went hand in hand. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You've You've Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You've You've Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You've You've reminded me actually when when you said

12:43reminded me actually when when you said reminded me actually when when you said that, because I think we naturally today that, because I think we naturally today that, because I think we naturally today think of therapists or or doctors, but think of therapists or or doctors, but think of therapists or or doctors, but you you mentioned teacher there, and I you you mentioned teacher there, and I you you mentioned teacher there, and I was thinking when I was going through a was thinking when I was going through a was thinking when I was going through a really rough time at school once, I really rough time at school once, I

12:52really rough time at school once, I remember my walk to school from the bus remember my walk to school from the bus remember my walk to school from the bus stop, I'd see a teacher every day that I stop, I'd see a teacher every day that I stop, I'd see a teacher every day that I was really close with at school, but you was really close with at school, but you was really close with at school, but you never talk to your teachers never talk to your teachers never talk to your teachers No. walking to school, right? No. walking to school, right? No. walking to school, right? person. person. person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I was so lonely at the time that I But I was so lonely at the time that I

13:04But I was so lonely at the time that I remember like almost thinking like, remember like almost thinking like, remember like almost thinking like, "Well, he's the only person I can talk "Well, he's the only person I can talk "Well, he's the only person I can talk to because of other stuff that I was to because of other stuff that I was to because of other stuff that I was going through at school." And I remember going through at school." And I remember going through at school." And I remember I started talking to him on the way to I started talking to him on the way to I started talking to him on the way to school. His name is Mr. Buckridge. He school. His name is Mr. Buckridge. He

13:14school. His name is Mr. Buckridge. He knows I go on about him everywhere, and knows I go on about him everywhere, and knows I go on about him everywhere, and he avoids it because And but it was it was that exact feeling And but it was it was that exact feeling where it was like he was someone that I where it was like he was someone that I where it was like he was someone that I felt I could open to it that open up to felt I could open to it that open up to felt I could open to it that open up to it at that point in my life without it at that point in my life without it at that point in my life without feeling judged, without feeling like he feeling judged, without feeling like he

13:28feeling judged, without feeling like he was going to see me through another was going to see me through another was going to see me through another lens. And just having that space to be lens. And just having that space to be lens. And just having that space to be seen for as a human who was going seen for as a human who was going seen for as a human who was going through stuff by a teacher was a huge through stuff by a teacher was a huge through stuff by a teacher was a huge huge win. And so, you know, it's you are huge win. And so, you know, it's you are huge win. And so, you know, it's you are right that that help can come in all right that that help can come in all

13:41right that that help can come in all different forms and it does it doesn't different forms and it does it doesn't different forms and it does it doesn't have to come in the ways that we expect have to come in the ways that we expect have to come in the ways that we expect it to come in. Yeah, it doesn't have to it to come in. Yeah, it doesn't have to it to come in. Yeah, it doesn't have to be a professional. be a professional. be a professional. Yeah. I go to my friends a lot and and Yeah. I go to my friends a lot and and Yeah. I go to my friends a lot and and you know, some friends are better than you know, some friends are better than

13:51you know, some friends are better than others in certain situations. I've got others in certain situations. I've got others in certain situations. I've got some friends that are very much like some friends that are very much like some friends that are very much like pull your socks up and get on with it pull your socks up and get on with it pull your socks up and get on with it and then other friends who are like come and then other friends who are like come and then other friends who are like come here and have a cry on my shoulder, but here and have a cry on my shoulder, but here and have a cry on my shoulder, but like it it varies. So, I I I just really

14:02like it it varies. So, I I I just really like it it varies. So, I I I just really hope that that's what the show can do. hope that that's what the show can do. hope that that's what the show can do. It's it's sort of paint this positive It's it's sort of paint this positive It's it's sort of paint this positive picture of asking for help is something picture of asking for help is something picture of asking for help is something to be proud of. Well, that's a great to be proud of. Well, that's a great to be proud of. Well, that's a great message and and I think we all we all message and and I think we all we all message and and I think we all we all need to hear it. And I want to go back a

14:12need to hear it. And I want to go back a need to hear it. And I want to go back a little bit because there's a lot of little bit because there's a lot of little bit because there's a lot of interviews that you've done and I've and interviews that you've done and I've and interviews that you've done and I've and I've watched a lot of stuff over the I've watched a lot of stuff over the I've watched a lot of stuff over the time, but like we're talking about a lot time, but like we're talking about a lot time, but like we're talking about a lot of it's soundbites because it's quick of it's soundbites because it's quick of it's soundbites because it's quick and short and like these entertainment,

14:20and short and like these entertainment, and short and like these entertainment, you know, interviews and that's why I you know, interviews and that's why I you know, interviews and that's why I was really grateful that you took out was really grateful that you took out was really grateful that you took out the time to do this, but you were the time to do this, but you were the time to do this, but you were diagnosed as far as I read with dyslexia diagnosed as far as I read with dyslexia diagnosed as far as I read with dyslexia at age seven. Yes. at age seven. Yes. at age seven. Yes. And I was wondering how, you know, a lot And I was wondering how, you know, a lot

14:31And I was wondering how, you know, a lot of our community and our audience is of our community and our audience is of our community and our audience is diagnosed as well or some of them are diagnosed as well or some of them are diagnosed as well or some of them are not, but they're finding out later on in not, but they're finding out later on in not, but they're finding out later on in life. How did that affect you or how life. How did that affect you or how life. How did that affect you or how were you set up for success with that were you set up for success with that were you set up for success with that from the because as an actor you've got from the because as an actor you've got

14:41from the because as an actor you've got to learn lines, you've got to read to learn lines, you've got to read to learn lines, you've got to read lines, you there's a lot of activities lines, you there's a lot of activities lines, you there's a lot of activities that people would assume are quite that people would assume are quite that people would assume are quite challenging. Sure. challenging. Sure. challenging. Sure. But you found a way and and walk us But you found a way and and walk us But you found a way and and walk us through that a little bit. I don't know. through that a little bit. I don't know. through that a little bit. I don't know. I had my mom has always been really

14:52I had my mom has always been really I had my mom has always been really hands-on with our education. hands-on with our education. hands-on with our education. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. She She She you know, really wanted us to just do you know, really wanted us to just do you know, really wanted us to just do our best. Our dad always said like look, our best. Our dad always said like look, our best. Our dad always said like look, I don't care what grades you get as long I don't care what grades you get as long I don't care what grades you get as long as you try your best, you try your best as you try your best, you try your best

15:01as you try your best, you try your best and that's all that we can ask for. and that's all that we can ask for. and that's all that we can ask for. But yeah, my dyslexia But yeah, my dyslexia But yeah, my dyslexia it's really just my spelling. I mean, it's really just my spelling. I mean, it's really just my spelling. I mean, honestly honestly honestly It's just that, yeah. It's just that, yeah. It's just that, yeah. You know, like those sort of games that You know, like those sort of games that You know, like those sort of games that you play at Christmas. Have you ever you play at Christmas. Have you ever you play at Christmas. Have you ever played um the one where you have to

15:14played um the one where you have to played um the one where you have to write down the answers that you it's I write down the answers that you it's I write down the answers that you it's I it's such a good game. it's such a good game. it's such a good game. Is it Balderdash? I don't know Is it Balderdash? I don't know Is it Balderdash? I don't know Balderdash. Is it uh It's basically a Balderdash. Is it uh It's basically a Balderdash. Is it uh It's basically a game where someone will read out a game where someone will read out a game where someone will read out a scenario or um Right. ask a question and scenario or um Right. ask a question and

15:25scenario or um Right. ask a question and then you have to answer the question to then you have to answer the question to then you have to answer the question to the best of your ability, but you can the best of your ability, but you can the best of your ability, but you can also bluff and lie. also bluff and lie. also bluff and lie. never played this game. never played this game. never played this game. you write somewhat of a believing answer you write somewhat of a believing answer you write somewhat of a believing answer and people vote for your answer, you and people vote for your answer, you and people vote for your answer, you win. Oh, cool. Okay, I've never played

15:36win. Oh, cool. Okay, I've never played win. Oh, cool. Okay, I've never played it. it. it. Which is great, but when I play it, Which is great, but when I play it, Which is great, but when I play it, everyone's like everyone's like everyone's like What does that say? What does that say? What does that say? That is definitely not spelled right. That is definitely not spelled right. That is definitely not spelled right. Good one. But yeah, so my spelling was Good one. But yeah, so my spelling was Good one. But yeah, so my spelling was really the biggest hurdle. Um I worked really the biggest hurdle. Um I worked really the biggest hurdle. Um I worked really hard at school. I didn't do

15:50really hard at school. I didn't do really hard at school. I didn't do particularly well, but particularly well, but particularly well, but again, my parents said as long as you again, my parents said as long as you again, my parents said as long as you try your best and that's all we can ask try your best and that's all we can ask try your best and that's all we can ask for. Yeah. And acting you started early, for. Yeah. And acting you started early, for. Yeah. And acting you started early, too, age nine, right? Like that was too, age nine, right? Like that was too, age nine, right? Like that was something that you started pursuing something that you started pursuing

16:00something that you started pursuing really early on in life and I feel Was really early on in life and I feel Was really early on in life and I feel Was that something that you were always sure that something that you were always sure that something that you were always sure about? There's that There's that famous about? There's that There's that famous about? There's that There's that famous viral Tik Tok that always goes around of viral Tik Tok that always goes around of viral Tik Tok that always goes around of you you you you know, I can't I don't know how old you know, I can't I don't know how old you know, I can't I don't know how old you were being asked you know, what

16:11you were being asked you know, what you were being asked you know, what superhero would you play All right. superhero would you play All right. superhero would you play All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. older and you say, "Oh, maybe older and you say, "Oh, maybe older and you say, "Oh, maybe Spider-Man." Right? And it's like And Spider-Man." Right? And it's like And Spider-Man." Right? And it's like And And I wonder like how much of your And I wonder like how much of your And I wonder like how much of your acting career do you feel like you've acting career do you feel like you've acting career do you feel like you've manifested or there was a vision or a manifested or there was a vision or a

16:22manifested or there was a vision or a focus or is it more just like this was focus or is it more just like this was focus or is it more just like this was naturally what you were into and it And naturally what you were into and it And naturally what you were into and it And it grew. Where Where did that come from? it grew. Where Where did that come from? it grew. Where Where did that come from? I do believe in manifesting, actually. I I do believe in manifesting, actually. I I do believe in manifesting, actually. I really do. I think what's interesting really do. I think what's interesting really do. I think what's interesting about my career is this was never

16:33about my career is this was never about my career is this was never something I wanted. something I wanted. something I wanted. I just was a young kid. I loved dancing. I just was a young kid. I loved dancing. I just was a young kid. I loved dancing. My mom would take me to a dance class My mom would take me to a dance class My mom would take me to a dance class every Saturday. every Saturday. every Saturday. And I got spotted through that dance And I got spotted through that dance And I got spotted through that dance class to to audition for a show on the class to to audition for a show on the class to to audition for a show on the West End. I ended up doing the show. I

16:47West End. I ended up doing the show. I West End. I ended up doing the show. I loved it. Billy Elliot was the time of loved it. Billy Elliot was the time of loved it. Billy Elliot was the time of my life. I you know, it was such a cool my life. I you know, it was such a cool my life. I you know, it was such a cool experience. I mean experience. I mean experience. I mean just by complete fluke, an agent came to just by complete fluke, an agent came to just by complete fluke, an agent came to see the show the night that I was on. see the show the night that I was on. see the show the night that I was on. She signed me. She sent me to an She signed me. She sent me to an

17:00She signed me. She sent me to an audition for a film. I was lucky enough audition for a film. I was lucky enough audition for a film. I was lucky enough to get the part. All of a sudden I was to get the part. All of a sudden I was to get the part. All of a sudden I was on set with Ewan McGregor and Naomi on set with Ewan McGregor and Naomi on set with Ewan McGregor and Naomi Watts and we made The Impossible. Watts and we made The Impossible. Watts and we made The Impossible. And to be perfectly honest with you, it And to be perfectly honest with you, it And to be perfectly honest with you, it was it was just a hobby. It was was it was just a hobby. It was

17:13was it was just a hobby. It was something that my mom would let me do on something that my mom would let me do on something that my mom would let me do on the summer holidays. She was very keen the summer holidays. She was very keen the summer holidays. She was very keen that I kept my schooling up. And there that I kept my schooling up. And there that I kept my schooling up. And there sort of came that time in England where sort of came that time in England where sort of came that time in England where you were in between GCSEs and A levels, you were in between GCSEs and A levels, you were in between GCSEs and A levels, and you're trying to figure out my when

17:24and you're trying to figure out my when and you're trying to figure out my when I was going through that, you could I was going through that, you could I was going through that, you could still drop out at A levels. Obviously, still drop out at A levels. Obviously, still drop out at A levels. Obviously, now you have to do A levels. now you have to do A levels. now you have to do A levels. And And And I had that moment where I was like, I had that moment where I was like, I had that moment where I was like, "What do I want to do? I could try and "What do I want to do? I could try and "What do I want to do? I could try and stay at school and figure out what I

17:36stay at school and figure out what I stay at school and figure out what I want to do, or this thing that's been a want to do, or this thing that's been a want to do, or this thing that's been a hobby, but my sort of summer holiday hobby, but my sort of summer holiday hobby, but my sort of summer holiday activity, which is acting, I could try activity, which is acting, I could try activity, which is acting, I could try and do that for a living." and do that for a living." and do that for a living." And I've been so lucky that I've been, And I've been so lucky that I've been, And I've been so lucky that I've been, you know, offered jobs and all that sort

17:47you know, offered jobs and all that sort you know, offered jobs and all that sort of stuff. of stuff. of stuff. I decided to go with it. I I I joined I decided to go with it. I I I joined I decided to go with it. I I I joined the BRIT school because, you know, my the BRIT school because, you know, my the BRIT school because, you know, my mom was keen that I didn't go for school mom was keen that I didn't go for school mom was keen that I didn't go for school for an education, but went to school for an education, but went to school for an education, but went to school to expand my social skills and meet kids to expand my social skills and meet kids

17:59to expand my social skills and meet kids my own age. All my friends when I was 15 my own age. All my friends when I was 15 my own age. All my friends when I was 15 were like 30-year-old people, cuz were like 30-year-old people, cuz were like 30-year-old people, cuz they're all adults from the business. they're all adults from the business. they're all adults from the business. Um so, I think my mom was keen that I Um so, I think my mom was keen that I Um so, I think my mom was keen that I had some friends that are my age, who had some friends that are my age, who had some friends that are my age, who are now my best friends today. So, I are now my best friends today. So, I

18:11are now my best friends today. So, I never really wanted this. I just sort of never really wanted this. I just sort of never really wanted this. I just sort of never stopped doing it. And I love it. I never stopped doing it. And I love it. I never stopped doing it. And I love it. I absolutely love it. I love the absolutely love it. I love the absolutely love it. I love the creativity. I love the building blocks creativity. I love the building blocks creativity. I love the building blocks that are required to put a film that are required to put a film that are required to put a film together. I love the collaboration on together. I love the collaboration on

18:23together. I love the collaboration on set between people from all different set between people from all different set between people from all different walks of life. You know, a film set is a walks of life. You know, a film set is a walks of life. You know, a film set is a melting pot of all sorts of different melting pot of all sorts of different melting pot of all sorts of different people. people. people. Um Um Um so, I love it. I absolutely love it. so, I love it. I absolutely love it. so, I love it. I absolutely love it. Yeah. Wow. And And I I read something Yeah. Wow. And And I I read something Yeah. Wow. And And I I read something that you said you were bullied for like

18:36that you said you were bullied for like that you said you were bullied for like doing ballet early which obviously got doing ballet early which obviously got doing ballet early which obviously got you into the playing the role of Billy you into the playing the role of Billy you into the playing the role of Billy Elliot cuz it's ballet and tap, right? Elliot cuz it's ballet and tap, right? Elliot cuz it's ballet and tap, right? It's both. So, was Was that Was that It's both. So, was Was that Was that It's both. So, was Was that Was that tough at the time? Or like were you tough at the time? Or like were you tough at the time? Or like were you trying to hide it? And then you end up

18:48trying to hide it? And then you end up trying to hide it? And then you end up on, you know, you end up at the West End on, you know, you end up at the West End on, you know, you end up at the West End and you're on the main stage and and you're on the main stage and and you're on the main stage and everyone's seeing it? Or was it kind of everyone's seeing it? Or was it kind of everyone's seeing it? Or was it kind of easy to navigate? And how did that go easy to navigate? And how did that go easy to navigate? And how did that go down? Because I feel like as a kid doing down? Because I feel like as a kid doing down? Because I feel like as a kid doing ballet and tap must have been

18:59ballet and tap must have been ballet and tap must have been a little challenging. Yeah, I mean, it a little challenging. Yeah, I mean, it a little challenging. Yeah, I mean, it was it wasn't easy, but it also wasn't was it wasn't easy, but it also wasn't was it wasn't easy, but it also wasn't tough, you know? I went to a rugby tough, you know? I went to a rugby tough, you know? I went to a rugby school, so you can imagine like the one school, so you can imagine like the one school, so you can imagine like the one kid in the school that does ballet. kid in the school that does ballet. kid in the school that does ballet. There's going to be comments here and

19:11There's going to be comments here and There's going to be comments here and there. It wasn't the easiest thing in there. It wasn't the easiest thing in there. It wasn't the easiest thing in the world. There were kids that didn't the world. There were kids that didn't the world. There were kids that didn't understand why I was doing it or what I understand why I was doing it or what I understand why I was doing it or what I was doing it for. No matter how many was doing it for. No matter how many was doing it for. No matter how many times I explained like I'm the only guy times I explained like I'm the only guy times I explained like I'm the only guy in a class of 30 girls in tights. I was

19:22in a class of 30 girls in tights. I was in a class of 30 girls in tights. I was like, "Guys, this is what you want to be like, "Guys, this is what you want to be like, "Guys, this is what you want to be doing. Like rugby is not it." doing. Like rugby is not it." doing. Like rugby is not it." But I No, it was tough. But again, like But I No, it was tough. But again, like But I No, it was tough. But again, like it goes back to what we were saying it goes back to what we were saying it goes back to what we were saying about resilience and and keeping your about resilience and and keeping your about resilience and and keeping your head down and Crowded Room was the

19:33head down and Crowded Room was the head down and Crowded Room was the hardest job I've ever had for all sorts hardest job I've ever had for all sorts hardest job I've ever had for all sorts of different reasons and there was a of different reasons and there was a of different reasons and there was a point in time where we were talking point in time where we were talking point in time where we were talking about about about do we shut this down and walk away from do we shut this down and walk away from do we shut this down and walk away from it because of how challenging it was and it because of how challenging it was and

19:45it because of how challenging it was and you know, I dug my heels in, I put my you know, I dug my heels in, I put my you know, I dug my heels in, I put my head down and was like, "No, I'm going head down and was like, "No, I'm going head down and was like, "No, I'm going to finish this. I'm going to see it to finish this. I'm going to see it to finish this. I'm going to see it through." And I think, you know, you through." And I think, you know, you through." And I think, you know, you learn from past experiences like that. learn from past experiences like that. learn from past experiences like that. So, I really am proud of the way we So, I really am proud of the way we

19:54So, I really am proud of the way we everyone handled the Crowded Room and I everyone handled the Crowded Room and I everyone handled the Crowded Room and I think that stems from my childhood, my think that stems from my childhood, my think that stems from my childhood, my dad's experiences and all that sort of dad's experiences and all that sort of dad's experiences and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. Well, so I've got a stuff. Yeah. Well, so I've got a stuff. Yeah. Well, so I've got a confession as well to make. confession as well to make. confession as well to make. Go on. So, I went to rugby school as Go on. So, I went to rugby school as

20:04Go on. So, I went to rugby school as well. Okay. And I I I I well. Okay. And I I I I well. Okay. And I I I I I played Yeah, I played for my A team I played Yeah, I played for my A team I played Yeah, I played for my A team and I was I was pretty I was pretty I and I was I was pretty I was pretty I and I was I was pretty I was pretty I was pretty good. was pretty good. was pretty good. I was pretty good. I was pretty good. I was pretty good. Okay. What position did you play? Okay. What position did you play? Okay. What position did you play? Blindside flanker. Okay. Wow. Blindside flanker. Okay. Wow. Blindside flanker. Okay. Wow. Yeah. So, I was I was really into rugby

20:15Yeah. So, I was I was really into rugby Yeah. So, I was I was really into rugby cuz I went to rugby school and I loved cuz I went to rugby school and I loved cuz I went to rugby school and I loved football, but my school didn't play football, but my school didn't play football, but my school didn't play football and so I was like, "No, I've football and so I was like, "No, I've football and so I was like, "No, I've got to be on the school's main team." got to be on the school's main team." got to be on the school's main team." So, So, So, I worked really hard to get on the team. I worked really hard to get on the team.

20:24I worked really hard to get on the team. But after we played rugby on a Saturday, But after we played rugby on a Saturday, But after we played rugby on a Saturday, my mom forced me to go to dance class my mom forced me to go to dance class my mom forced me to go to dance class and part of it was ballet and tap as and part of it was ballet and tap as and part of it was ballet and tap as well. Although I did not end up at the well. Although I did not end up at the well. Although I did not end up at the West End and play Billy Elliot cuz I West End and play Billy Elliot cuz I West End and play Billy Elliot cuz I don't think Billy Elliot was brown. So, don't think Billy Elliot was brown. So,

20:37don't think Billy Elliot was brown. So, that wasn't going to happen. So, it that wasn't going to happen. So, it that wasn't going to happen. So, it wasn't the same path wasn't the same path wasn't the same path But but I also had that experience. But but I also had that experience. But but I also had that experience. That's why I had to ask you about it. That's why I had to ask you about it. That's why I had to ask you about it. enjoy it? I really enjoyed it for the enjoy it? I really enjoyed it for the enjoy it? I really enjoyed it for the community aspect of it. Like I love all community aspect of it. Like I love all

20:48community aspect of it. Like I love all the lads that I was there with and they the lads that I was there with and they the lads that I was there with and they were just they were just a great laugh were just they were just a great laugh were just they were just a great laugh and it was really interesting because and it was really interesting because and it was really interesting because we'd go from I'd literally go from we'd go from I'd literally go from we'd go from I'd literally go from playing rugby playing rugby playing rugby straight to class on a Saturday and I'd straight to class on a Saturday and I'd straight to class on a Saturday and I'd go in there with all my bruises,

20:58go in there with all my bruises, go in there with all my bruises, exhausted and all the rest of it. But exhausted and all the rest of it. But exhausted and all the rest of it. But everyone was just so much fun and it's everyone was just so much fun and it's everyone was just so much fun and it's almost like the rugby pitch was more almost like the rugby pitch was more almost like the rugby pitch was more stressful cuz everyone was like, you stressful cuz everyone was like, you stressful cuz everyone was like, you know, trying to be intense and trying to know, trying to be intense and trying to know, trying to be intense and trying to be this and that, whereas everyone's

21:08be this and that, whereas everyone's be this and that, whereas everyone's just having a laugh at the dance class. just having a laugh at the dance class. just having a laugh at the dance class. We do everything from hip-hop to street We do everything from hip-hop to street We do everything from hip-hop to street to whatever, but yeah, I remember never to whatever, but yeah, I remember never to whatever, but yeah, I remember never telling I I think this is the first time telling I I think this is the first time telling I I think this is the first time I've ever spoken about it. I've ever spoken about it. I've ever spoken about it. It's been a safe space with you.

21:19It's been a safe space with you. It's been a safe space with you. But it's interesting cuz rugby's But it's interesting cuz rugby's But it's interesting cuz rugby's regimented, isn't it? Yeah. I love regimented, isn't it? Yeah. I love regimented, isn't it? Yeah. I love rugby, by the way. rugby, by the way. rugby, by the way. You play a position that is as specific You play a position that is as specific You play a position that is as specific as saying the blindside flanker. You as saying the blindside flanker. You as saying the blindside flanker. You know, when you're a dancer, you're just know, when you're a dancer, you're just

21:29know, when you're a dancer, you're just a dancer. You know, you a dancer. You know, you a dancer. You know, you you can fit in however you want to fit you can fit in however you want to fit you can fit in however you want to fit in. The teacher can ask you how you're in. The teacher can ask you how you're in. The teacher can ask you how you're feeling about that rather than like you feeling about that rather than like you feeling about that rather than like you need to get your head down to the left need to get your head down to the left need to get your head down to the left to make a proper tackle. I did love to make a proper tackle. I did love

21:40to make a proper tackle. I did love playing rugby when I was smaller. Yeah. playing rugby when I was smaller. Yeah. playing rugby when I was smaller. Yeah. When all the Well, not when I was When all the Well, not when I was When all the Well, not when I was smaller, when all the kids were smaller. smaller, when all the kids were smaller. smaller, when all the kids were smaller. And then there was that time where I And then there was that time where I And then there was that time where I came back to school after Billy Elliot came back to school after Billy Elliot came back to school after Billy Elliot and everyone had just become a man and I and everyone had just become a man and I

21:51and everyone had just become a man and I was still very much a child. was still very much a child. was still very much a child. I remember we played this school called I remember we played this school called I remember we played this school called Trinity College. And it was my first Trinity College. And it was my first Trinity College. And it was my first game back and I was playing scrum-half. game back and I was playing scrum-half. game back and I was playing scrum-half. I came on the second half and it was a I came on the second half and it was a I came on the second half and it was a violent game. It was not It was not a violent game. It was not It was not a

22:03violent game. It was not It was not a gentleman's game of rugby. gentleman's game of rugby. gentleman's game of rugby. And And And I was standing there, we're kicking to I was standing there, we're kicking to I was standing there, we're kicking to us, we're receiving. And I remember us, we're receiving. And I remember us, we're receiving. And I remember thinking, as long as the ball doesn't thinking, as long as the ball doesn't thinking, as long as the ball doesn't come to me off of the kick, I'll be come to me off of the kick, I'll be come to me off of the kick, I'll be fine. I need the game to get going and fine. I need the game to get going and

22:13fine. I need the game to get going and then I'll be fine. I'm scrum-half, then I'll be fine. I'm scrum-half, then I'll be fine. I'm scrum-half, relatively safe position, a good relatively safe position, a good relatively safe position, a good playmaker. playmaker. playmaker. As soon as he kicked the ball, it's As soon as he kicked the ball, it's As soon as he kicked the ball, it's coming straight towards me. coming straight towards me. coming straight towards me. I I'm trying to catch it. I can hear the I I'm trying to catch it. I can hear the I I'm trying to catch it. I can hear the boots running towards me. I fumble it, boots running towards me. I fumble it,

22:25boots running towards me. I fumble it, knock-on. The game goes on. I start knock-on. The game goes on. I start knock-on. The game goes on. I start playing well. I assisted a try. playing well. I assisted a try. playing well. I assisted a try. And then I don't remember what happened And then I don't remember what happened And then I don't remember what happened or how it happened. or how it happened. or how it happened. But there was a a really tough kid on But there was a a really tough kid on But there was a a really tough kid on our team who will remain nameless. I our team who will remain nameless. I our team who will remain nameless. I haven't spoken to him since. I don't

22:40haven't spoken to him since. I don't haven't spoken to him since. I don't know what he's doing. But he got into a know what he's doing. But he got into a know what he's doing. But he got into a fight with some kid on the opposing team fight with some kid on the opposing team fight with some kid on the opposing team and it was really quite ugly. and it was really quite ugly. and it was really quite ugly. And then the kid's dad came on the pitch And then the kid's dad came on the pitch And then the kid's dad came on the pitch to tell off this boy that was on my team to tell off this boy that was on my team to tell off this boy that was on my team and the kid on my team knocked out his

22:54and the kid on my team knocked out his and the kid on my team knocked out his dad. No. dad. No. dad. No. Like proper Like it's the first time Like proper Like it's the first time Like proper Like it's the first time I've ever seen someone hit someone. And I've ever seen someone hit someone. And I've ever seen someone hit someone. And I couldn't believe that a kid who was I couldn't believe that a kid who was I couldn't believe that a kid who was How old are you, yeah? He must have been How old are you, yeah? He must have been How old are you, yeah? He must have been 16 at the time. He's one of those 16 at the time. He's one of those

23:0416 at the time. He's one of those 16-year-olds that would look older than 16-year-olds that would look older than 16-year-olds that would look older than I do now when he was 16 and I just I do now when he was 16 and I just I do now when he was 16 and I just remember hearing the noise. He like remember hearing the noise. He like remember hearing the noise. He like cracked this dad on the jaw, hit the cracked this dad on the jaw, hit the cracked this dad on the jaw, hit the floor, then this whole big fight broke floor, then this whole big fight broke floor, then this whole big fight broke out. I'm not a fighter. I stepped away out. I'm not a fighter. I stepped away

23:17out. I'm not a fighter. I stepped away and was sort of like, "What's going on?" and was sort of like, "What's going on?" and was sort of like, "What's going on?" Yeah, it was wild. That was the last Yeah, it was wild. That was the last Yeah, it was wild. That was the last game of rugby I ever played. It was game of rugby I ever played. It was game of rugby I ever played. It was against Trinity College. Oh my gosh. against Trinity College. Oh my gosh. against Trinity College. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was really intense. Yeah, it was really intense. Yeah, it was really intense. Wow, that that is intense. Yeah, that's Wow, that that is intense. Yeah, that's

23:27Wow, that that is intense. Yeah, that's how intense it got. how intense it got. how intense it got. I my last game was similar, but not not I my last game was similar, but not not I my last game was similar, but not not watching a fight. So, someone ran watching a fight. So, someone ran watching a fight. So, someone ran I had it was a big game and it was like I had it was a big game and it was like I had it was a big game and it was like I was playing really well that season I was playing really well that season I was playing really well that season and everything was going really well and and everything was going really well and

23:40and everything was going really well and someone ran into a rock, but with their someone ran into a rock, but with their someone ran into a rock, but with their elbow, elbow, elbow, which is obviously illegal. which is obviously illegal. which is obviously illegal. totally. They ran in and they elbowed me totally. They ran in and they elbowed me totally. They ran in and they elbowed me right there, like right below and it's right there, like right below and it's right there, like right below and it's on this side and right below there. And on this side and right below there. And on this side and right below there. And then next thing I know, I get up and I'm

23:53then next thing I know, I get up and I'm then next thing I know, I get up and I'm like kind of feeling a bit aggressive. like kind of feeling a bit aggressive. like kind of feeling a bit aggressive. Are you cut as well? Well, I didn't Are you cut as well? Well, I didn't Are you cut as well? Well, I didn't notice and then blood starts to drip and notice and then blood starts to drip and notice and then blood starts to drip and I was like, that's when you freak out. I was like, that's when you freak out. I was like, that's when you freak out. Mhm. Oh god, I'm I'm like I can And Mhm. Oh god, I'm I'm like I can And Mhm. Oh god, I'm I'm like I can And there's a lot of blood just dripping.

24:03there's a lot of blood just dripping. there's a lot of blood just dripping. So, I get subbed off and the nurse on So, I get subbed off and the nurse on So, I get subbed off and the nurse on the side just puts a bit of glue there, the side just puts a bit of glue there, the side just puts a bit of glue there, like to stick it together. like to stick it together. like to stick it together. Mhm. And at the at that time you don't Mhm. And at the at that time you don't Mhm. And at the at that time you don't really notice and you think you're all really notice and you think you're all really notice and you think you're all right. And then literally an hour later,

24:15right. And then literally an hour later, right. And then literally an hour later, it's just getting thicker and thicker it's just getting thicker and thicker it's just getting thicker and thicker and thicker and I ended up with this. and thicker and I ended up with this. and thicker and I ended up with this. Run to the hospital on the way home Run to the hospital on the way home Run to the hospital on the way home because my coach was just like, "Suck it because my coach was just like, "Suck it because my coach was just like, "Suck it up. It's fine." up. It's fine." up. It's fine." fine, yeah. fine, yeah. fine, yeah. Run there. They're like, "If you were Run there. They're like, "If you were

24:24Run there. They're like, "If you were any later, you would have had nerve any later, you would have had nerve any later, you would have had nerve damage." And like personally potentially damage." And like personally potentially damage." And like personally potentially lost your eyesight or whatever it was lost your eyesight or whatever it was lost your eyesight or whatever it was and they had to like glue it and a and they had to like glue it and a and they had to like glue it and a little bit of stitches or whatever it little bit of stitches or whatever it little bit of stitches or whatever it was. And I for the for the rest of the was. And I for the for the rest of the

24:34was. And I for the for the rest of the month, I walked around with my like, you month, I walked around with my like, you month, I walked around with my like, you know, eye literally hanging over and I know, eye literally hanging over and I know, eye literally hanging over and I looked like I'd got into like the worst looked like I'd got into like the worst looked like I'd got into like the worst fight. Like I walked into a store and fight. Like I walked into a store and fight. Like I walked into a store and everyone would kind of back off and everyone would kind of back off and everyone would kind of back off and stuff and it was just really stuff and it was just really

24:44stuff and it was just really uncomfortable. That was my last game of uncomfortable. That was my last game of uncomfortable. That was my last game of rugby. That's why I just remembered rugby. That's why I just remembered rugby. That's why I just remembered that. But yeah, it was it was it was it that. But yeah, it was it was it was it that. But yeah, it was it was it was it was intense, but it was great. Like you was intense, but it was great. Like you was intense, but it was great. Like you said, it was great regimented discipline said, it was great regimented discipline said, it was great regimented discipline training. I loved training with my training. I loved training with my

24:54training. I loved training with my mates. I loved playing. I loved as a mates. I loved playing. I loved as a mates. I loved playing. I loved as a young man as well like having a outlet young man as well like having a outlet young man as well like having a outlet to to to release the energy that I had I felt was release the energy that I had I felt was release the energy that I had I felt was good in in obviously in a way that good in in obviously in a way that good in in obviously in a way that wasn't trying to hurt others. wasn't trying to hurt others. wasn't trying to hurt others. what's so great about boxing. It's like what's so great about boxing. It's like

25:07what's so great about boxing. It's like boxing is such a great release. You boxing is such a great release. You boxing is such a great release. You know, you see these young kids like know, you see these young kids like know, you see these young kids like young kids who are angry who need to let young kids who are angry who need to let young kids who are angry who need to let something go like go and punch a bag for something go like go and punch a bag for something go like go and punch a bag for an hour. Like that will make you that an hour. Like that will make you that an hour. Like that will make you that will calm you down. I love how boxing is will calm you down. I love how boxing is

25:18will calm you down. I love how boxing is such a great thing for young for young such a great thing for young for young such a great thing for young for young people to to release that sort of people to to release that sort of people to to release that sort of energy. energy. energy. boxing? Do you box? boxing? Do you box? boxing? Do you box? boxing. It's been a few years since I've boxing. It's been a few years since I've boxing. It's been a few years since I've I've done any sort of training. I used I've done any sort of training. I used I've done any sort of training. I used to go to this great gym in in New York to go to this great gym in in New York

25:29to go to this great gym in in New York called Church Street Boxing. Used to called Church Street Boxing. Used to called Church Street Boxing. Used to love it there. Had a great pro. You love it there. Had a great pro. You love it there. Had a great pro. You could sort of spar with him cuz you know could sort of spar with him cuz you know could sort of spar with him cuz you know that he wouldn't batter you cuz he could that he wouldn't batter you cuz he could that he wouldn't batter you cuz he could control himself. I went to one sparring control himself. I went to one sparring control himself. I went to one sparring session just session just

25:41session just a general session and I got absolutely a general session and I got absolutely a general session and I got absolutely battered. battered. battered. Yeah, it was tough but I love it. I love Yeah, it was tough but I love it. I love Yeah, it was tough but I love it. I love the sport. I'm a little bit sad as to the sport. I'm a little bit sad as to the sport. I'm a little bit sad as to like how the sport is being run right like how the sport is being run right like how the sport is being run right now. now. now. But I do love the sport and I admire the But I do love the sport and I admire the But I do love the sport and I admire the athletes. Yeah. What's your take on

25:56athletes. Yeah. What's your take on athletes. Yeah. What's your take on YouTubers boxing and all that kind of YouTubers boxing and all that kind of YouTubers boxing and all that kind of stuff and because it's obviously stuff and because it's obviously stuff and because it's obviously bringing a lot of attention to the bringing a lot of attention to the bringing a lot of attention to the sport. To be perfectly honest with you sport. To be perfectly honest with you sport. To be perfectly honest with you mate, I don't really mind it. I think mate, I don't really mind it. I think mate, I don't really mind it. I think it's quite fun. I think if you're doing it's quite fun. I think if you're doing

26:06it's quite fun. I think if you're doing it for the right reasons, you know, it's it for the right reasons, you know, it's it for the right reasons, you know, it's just a great opportunity to raise some just a great opportunity to raise some just a great opportunity to raise some money for amazing charities and I think money for amazing charities and I think money for amazing charities and I think a few of them have done a lot for a few of them have done a lot for a few of them have done a lot for charity. I think it's really great. I charity. I think it's really great. I charity. I think it's really great. I think yeah, you know, my brother Paddy think yeah, you know, my brother Paddy

26:15think yeah, you know, my brother Paddy would never have been watching boxing would never have been watching boxing would never have been watching boxing and now Yeah. he loves it because of his and now Yeah. he loves it because of his and now Yeah. he loves it because of his favorite YouTubers are boxing. So, if favorite YouTubers are boxing. So, if favorite YouTubers are boxing. So, if it's good for the sport, it's good for it's good for the sport, it's good for it's good for the sport, it's good for the sport. I sort of don't really mind. the sport. I sort of don't really mind. the sport. I sort of don't really mind. I think it's funny to be honest. Yeah,

26:27I think it's funny to be honest. Yeah, I think it's funny to be honest. Yeah, cuz you sit at home watching it you're cuz you sit at home watching it you're cuz you sit at home watching it you're like I could do that. I could get in like I could do that. I could get in like I could do that. I could get in there and do that. You're like well, why there and do that. You're like well, why there and do that. You're like well, why don't you? You're like well, I don't don't you? You're like well, I don't don't you? You're like well, I don't really want to do that. really want to do that. really want to do that. So, we we might see you in Creed 4 then. So, we we might see you in Creed 4 then.

26:37So, we we might see you in Creed 4 then. That's yeah, we'll do the we'll do the That's yeah, we'll do the we'll do the That's yeah, we'll do the we'll do the acting boxing. I'd love to do a boxing acting boxing. I'd love to do a boxing acting boxing. I'd love to do a boxing movie. movie. movie. I think it would be cool to do a boxing I think it would be cool to do a boxing I think it would be cool to do a boxing movie but where the fighting is real. movie but where the fighting is real. movie but where the fighting is real. Walk me through that. Walk me through that. Walk me through that. I wouldn't necessarily be in that film, I wouldn't necessarily be in that film,

26:49I wouldn't necessarily be in that film, right? right? right? But I do think that you could make a But I do think that you could make a But I do think that you could make a really interesting film where the really interesting film where the really interesting film where the outcome of the film is determined on outcome of the film is determined on outcome of the film is determined on the outcome of the real fight. Has the outcome of the real fight. Has the outcome of the real fight. Has anything like that ever been done? Like anything like that ever been done? Like anything like that ever been done? Like racing or any Can you I'm just trying to racing or any Can you I'm just trying to

27:03racing or any Can you I'm just trying to Not that I know of. Not that I know of. Not that I know of. Yeah, not that I know of. That's what Yeah, not that I know of. That's what Yeah, not that I know of. That's what I'm trying to think. It could be really I'm trying to think. It could be really I'm trying to think. It could be really cool. cool. cool. Yeah, wow. But yeah, I love I love Yeah, wow. But yeah, I love I love Yeah, wow. But yeah, I love I love boxing movies. I'm a sucker for it. boxing movies. I'm a sucker for it. boxing movies. I'm a sucker for it. Yeah, yeah. Which ones Which Which one's Yeah, yeah. Which ones Which Which one's

27:12Yeah, yeah. Which ones Which Which one's your favorite? I think Rocky II is your favorite? I think Rocky II is your favorite? I think Rocky II is probably my favorite. I remember in when probably my favorite. I remember in when probably my favorite. I remember in when we were in Billy Elliot, we had this we were in Billy Elliot, we had this we were in Billy Elliot, we had this room called the Billy room and there was room called the Billy room and there was room called the Billy room and there was always a Billy backstage while the show always a Billy backstage while the show always a Billy backstage while the show was going on because the show was so was going on because the show was so

27:23was going on because the show was so labor intensive. It was very dangerous. labor intensive. It was very dangerous. labor intensive. It was very dangerous. There's lots of moving parts. There's There's lots of moving parts. There's There's lots of moving parts. There's lots of acrobatics. It wasn't too lots of acrobatics. It wasn't too lots of acrobatics. It wasn't too uncommon for a Billy to get injured and uncommon for a Billy to get injured and uncommon for a Billy to get injured and then there would be someone upstairs who then there would be someone upstairs who then there would be someone upstairs who would replace that Billy. would replace that Billy.

27:33would replace that Billy. And we would just hang out upstairs and And we would just hang out upstairs and And we would just hang out upstairs and there was an Xbox and a television and there was an Xbox and a television and there was an Xbox and a television and and all that sort of stuff. And one of and all that sort of stuff. And one of and all that sort of stuff. And one of the DVDs that we had The two DVDs we had the DVDs that we had The two DVDs we had the DVDs that we had The two DVDs we had were Step Up to the Streets, my favorite were Step Up to the Streets, my favorite were Step Up to the Streets, my favorite film of all time, and Rocky II. And I

27:44film of all time, and Rocky II. And I film of all time, and Rocky II. And I must have seen that film 40 times. I must have seen that film 40 times. I must have seen that film 40 times. I love that love that love that times did you practice the dance in the times did you practice the dance in the times did you practice the dance in the mirror? I've got the whole dance down, mirror? I've got the whole dance down, mirror? I've got the whole dance down, but Can we see it? Yeah, no, I love that film. I absolutely Yeah, no, I love that film. I absolutely love that film. Yeah, I tell I tell my love that film. Yeah, I tell I tell my

27:58love that film. Yeah, I tell I tell my favorite So, Rocky was my favorite cuz favorite So, Rocky was my favorite cuz favorite So, Rocky was my favorite cuz I'd watch it with my dad. And Rocky I'd watch it with my dad. And Rocky I'd watch it with my dad. And Rocky I I struggle between Rocky and Rocky I I I struggle between Rocky and Rocky I I I struggle between Rocky and Rocky I loved Mr. T and I III That's III. And I loved Mr. T and I III That's III. And I loved Mr. T and I III That's III. And I loved Ivan Drago as well, which was loved Ivan Drago as well, which was loved Ivan Drago as well, which was And they were both just such great And they were both just such great

28:13And they were both just such great movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just yeah, it's such great It's just yeah, it's such great It's just yeah, it's such great entertainment even though it's nothing entertainment even though it's nothing entertainment even though it's nothing like real boxing. like real boxing. like real boxing. Yeah, nothing at all. Nothing at all. Yeah, nothing at all. Nothing at all. Yeah, nothing at all. Nothing at all. real boxing. But then I remember real boxing. But then I remember real boxing. But then I remember watching real boxing when I was growing watching real boxing when I was growing

28:22watching real boxing when I was growing up, it was Prince Naseem. So, I didn't up, it was Prince Naseem. So, I didn't up, it was Prince Naseem. So, I didn't Yeah, yeah, my dad was a big fan of his, Yeah, yeah, my dad was a big fan of his, Yeah, yeah, my dad was a big fan of his, so I'd remember watching him a lot. I so I'd remember watching him a lot. I so I'd remember watching him a lot. I love his style. There's a video of him love his style. There's a video of him love his style. There's a video of him working with the working with the working with the I guess he's just It's like a swinging I guess he's just It's like a swinging

28:33I guess he's just It's like a swinging bag and he is so effortless. Cuz bag and he is so effortless. Cuz bag and he is so effortless. Cuz Canelo's got great head movement, but Canelo's got great head movement, but Canelo's got great head movement, but but he looks like he's thinking about but he looks like he's thinking about but he looks like he's thinking about it. Whereas Naseem is just it. Whereas Naseem is just it. Whereas Naseem is just living the dream. Just he's so fluid and living the dream. Just he's so fluid and living the dream. Just he's so fluid and I love the way he used to move. Yeah. I love the way he used to move. Yeah. I love the way he used to move. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

28:47Yeah. And I love how he would enter the ring. And I love how he would enter the ring. And I love how he would enter the ring. Me, I would over rotate and slam on my Me, I would over rotate and slam on my Me, I would over rotate and slam on my face or something. Yeah, he was face or something. Yeah, he was face or something. Yeah, he was brilliant. brilliant. brilliant. Yeah, it's like wrestling meets boxing. Yeah, it's like wrestling meets boxing. Yeah, it's like wrestling meets boxing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He must Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He must Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He must have been a nightmare to fight. It must have been a nightmare to fight. It must

28:58have been a nightmare to fight. It must have been like, he's beating me and he's have been like, he's beating me and he's have been like, he's beating me and he's embarrassing me. This is really tough. embarrassing me. This is really tough. embarrassing me. This is really tough. Terrible. What do you think of Terrible. What do you think of Terrible. What do you think of Lomachenko? Did you see his last fight? Lomachenko? Did you see his last fight? Lomachenko? Did you see his last fight? No, I didn't see it. I didn't see it. No, I didn't see it. I didn't see it. No, I didn't see it. I didn't see it. That's an interesting one. That's an interesting one.

29:08That's an interesting one. Go and tell me. I I didn't see it at Go and tell me. I I didn't see it at Go and tell me. I I didn't see it at all. Well, I think the general consensus all. Well, I think the general consensus all. Well, I think the general consensus is that he won. Oh. But it was given the is that he won. Oh. But it was given the is that he won. Oh. But it was given the other way. other way. other way. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. my favorite boxer because of his my favorite boxer because of his my favorite boxer because of his history, his background in dance. He was history, his background in dance. He was

29:20history, his background in dance. He was like, I guess, a really talented boxer like, I guess, a really talented boxer like, I guess, a really talented boxer and then I get I don't know if this is and then I get I don't know if this is and then I get I don't know if this is true, but his dad sent him to go and true, but his dad sent him to go and true, but his dad sent him to go and study dance for sort of 5 years or study dance for sort of 5 years or study dance for sort of 5 years or something like that. For his boxing something like that. For his boxing something like that. For his boxing For his boxing, which is why his For his boxing, which is why his

29:30For his boxing, which is why his footwork is like on another planet. footwork is like on another planet. footwork is like on another planet. There's loads of examples of where he's There's loads of examples of where he's There's loads of examples of where he's fighting people and they look up and fighting people and they look up and fighting people and they look up and he's just gone. He's behind them. he's just gone. He's behind them. he's just gone. He's behind them. So, I I really admire him, but his most So, I I really admire him, but his most So, I I really admire him, but his most recent fight he lost. recent fight he lost. recent fight he lost. How did it go against him? Was it a

29:43How did it go against him? Was it a How did it go against him? Was it a vote? It was a vote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. vote? It was a vote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. vote? It was a vote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right, right. It went against him. Yeah, right, right. It went against him. Yeah, right, right. It went against him. So, I wonder whether they'll fight So, I wonder whether they'll fight So, I wonder whether they'll fight again. Yeah. That I guess they'll have again. Yeah. That I guess they'll have again. Yeah. That I guess they'll have to if there's It seems like this isn't a to if there's It seems like this isn't a to if there's It seems like this isn't a conspiracy theory from you.

29:53conspiracy theory from you. conspiracy theory from you. with boxing, though. Like, will they with boxing, though. Like, will they with boxing, though. Like, will they fight again? You know, because it's it's fight again? You know, because it's it's fight again? You know, because it's it's a tricky it's a tricky business. Unlike a tricky it's a tricky business. Unlike a tricky it's a tricky business. Unlike the UFC where, you know, if they want to the UFC where, you know, if they want to the UFC where, you know, if they want to fight, they'll fight. That's what I love fight, they'll fight. That's what I love fight, they'll fight. That's what I love about it. I took my brother and my

30:02about it. I took my brother and my about it. I took my brother and my cousin to the UFC the other night. And cousin to the UFC the other night. And cousin to the UFC the other night. And that is such a savage sport. It is. that is such a savage sport. It is. that is such a savage sport. It is. That is That is That is Yeah, it's terrifying. Yeah, it's terrifying. Yeah, it's terrifying. Really don't want that to be a movie in Really don't want that to be a movie in Really don't want that to be a movie in a real one. a real one. a real one. Have you seen The Warrior? I was just Have you seen The Warrior? I was just Have you seen The Warrior? I was just about to say I was going to talk about

30:16about to say I was going to talk about about to say I was going to talk about my favorite movie. my favorite movie. my favorite movie. That movie That movie That movie That The Warrior is one of the most That The Warrior is one of the most That The Warrior is one of the most underrated movies. It's so good. Yeah. underrated movies. It's so good. Yeah. underrated movies. It's so good. Yeah. It's it's a little ridiculous, the idea It's it's a little ridiculous, the idea It's it's a little ridiculous, the idea that they have like six fights a night that they have like six fights a night that they have like six fights a night getting ready for one final, but I do

30:27getting ready for one final, but I do getting ready for one final, but I do love that film. love that film. love that film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a really good Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a really good Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a really good movie. It's a really good movie. Oh, movie. It's a really good movie. Oh, movie. It's a really good movie. Oh, well. Okay. All right. So, we know well. Okay. All right. So, we know well. Okay. All right. So, we know there's a boxing movie coming somewhere there's a boxing movie coming somewhere there's a boxing movie coming somewhere down the line. down the line. down the line. be one down the line. be one down the line.

30:35be one down the line. There's got to be one down the line. There's got to be one down the line. There's got to be one down the line. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. And we want to see you work your Yeah. And we want to see you work your Yeah. And we want to see you work your way up and way up and way up and think you I mean, we we're see you like, think you I mean, we we're see you like, think you I mean, we we're see you like, you know, actually go do it for real. you know, actually go do it for real. you know, actually go do it for real. Sounds like Sounds like Sounds like Yeah, imagine. Yeah, imagine. Yeah, imagine. For charity, maybe. One of the things

30:46For charity, maybe. One of the things For charity, maybe. One of the things that you mentioned recently was that you that you mentioned recently was that you that you mentioned recently was that you gave up drinking about a year and a half gave up drinking about a year and a half gave up drinking about a year and a half ago. Yes. ago. Yes. ago. Yes. And you said it was the hardest thing And you said it was the hardest thing And you said it was the hardest thing you ever did. Yes. you ever did. Yes. you ever did. Yes. And I wanted to know what was so hard And I wanted to know what was so hard And I wanted to know what was so hard about it for you. Why was it so hard?

30:59about it for you. Why was it so hard? about it for you. Why was it so hard? It's interesting. I I didn't one day It's interesting. I I didn't one day It's interesting. I I didn't one day wake up and say, "I'm giving up wake up and say, "I'm giving up wake up and say, "I'm giving up drinking." drinking." drinking." I just I just I just like many Brits had had a very, very like many Brits had had a very, very like many Brits had had a very, very boozy December. Christmas time, I was on boozy December. Christmas time, I was on boozy December. Christmas time, I was on vacation. I was drinking a lot. And I've vacation. I was drinking a lot. And I've

31:13vacation. I was drinking a lot. And I've always been able to drink a lot. always been able to drink a lot. always been able to drink a lot. I think I get my genes from my mom's I think I get my genes from my mom's I think I get my genes from my mom's side in that thing. Like, I can I can side in that thing. Like, I can I can side in that thing. Like, I can I can drink. drink. drink. And I decided to just give up for And I decided to just give up for And I decided to just give up for January. I just wanted to do Dry January. I just wanted to do Dry January. I just wanted to do Dry January. And January. And January. And all I could think about was having a all I could think about was having a

31:26all I could think about was having a drink. drink. drink. It's all I could think about. I I was It's all I could think about. I I was It's all I could think about. I I was waking up thinking about it. I was waking up thinking about it. I was waking up thinking about it. I was checking the clock, "When's it 12?" checking the clock, "When's it 12?" checking the clock, "When's it 12?" And it just really scared me. I just was And it just really scared me. I just was And it just really scared me. I just was like, "Wow, maybe like, "Wow, maybe like, "Wow, maybe maybe I have a little bit of an alcohol maybe I have a little bit of an alcohol

31:38maybe I have a little bit of an alcohol thing." So, I sort of decided to punish thing." So, I sort of decided to punish thing." So, I sort of decided to punish myself and say, "I'll do February as myself and say, "I'll do February as myself and say, "I'll do February as well. I'll do 2 months off." well. I'll do 2 months off." well. I'll do 2 months off." If I can do 2 months off, then I can If I can do 2 months off, then I can If I can do 2 months off, then I can prove to myself I don't have a problem. prove to myself I don't have a problem. prove to myself I don't have a problem. 2 months go by. 2 months go by. 2 months go by. And I was still really struggling.

31:53And I was still really struggling. And I was still really struggling. I felt like I couldn't be social. I felt I felt like I couldn't be social. I felt I felt like I couldn't be social. I felt like I couldn't go to the pub and have a like I couldn't go to the pub and have a like I couldn't go to the pub and have a lime soda. lime soda. lime soda. I couldn't go out for dinner. I was I couldn't go out for dinner. I was I couldn't go out for dinner. I was really, really struggling. And I started really, really struggling. And I started really, really struggling. And I started to really worry that maybe I had an to really worry that maybe I had an

32:05to really worry that maybe I had an alcohol problem. alcohol problem. alcohol problem. Um so, I decided that I would wait until Um so, I decided that I would wait until Um so, I decided that I would wait until my birthday, which is June 1st. I said my birthday, which is June 1st. I said my birthday, which is June 1st. I said to myself, "If I can do 6 months without to myself, "If I can do 6 months without to myself, "If I can do 6 months without alcohol, then I can prove to myself that alcohol, then I can prove to myself that alcohol, then I can prove to myself that I don't have a problem." And by the time I don't have a problem." And by the time

32:17I don't have a problem." And by the time I had got to June 1st, I was the I had got to June 1st, I was the I had got to June 1st, I was the happiest I'd ever been in my life. happiest I'd ever been in my life. happiest I'd ever been in my life. I could sleep better. I could handle I could sleep better. I could handle I could sleep better. I could handle problems better. problems better. problems better. Things that would go wrong on set that Things that would go wrong on set that Things that would go wrong on set that would normally set me off, I could take would normally set me off, I could take would normally set me off, I could take in my stride. I had so much such better

32:33in my stride. I had so much such better in my stride. I had so much such better mental clarity. I felt healthier. I felt mental clarity. I felt healthier. I felt mental clarity. I felt healthier. I felt fitter. fitter. fitter. And I just sort of said to myself like And I just sort of said to myself like And I just sort of said to myself like why why am I why why am I why why am I enslaved this drink? Why am I so enslaved this drink? Why am I so enslaved this drink? Why am I so obsessed by the idea of having this obsessed by the idea of having this obsessed by the idea of having this drink? And I would look back and drink? And I would look back and

32:46drink? And I would look back and recognize that I would go to events for recognize that I would go to events for recognize that I would go to events for for work and you know, I can't enjoy for work and you know, I can't enjoy for work and you know, I can't enjoy myself until I've had a few beers. myself until I've had a few beers. myself until I've had a few beers. And I just And I just And I just felt so much pressure and this is one of felt so much pressure and this is one of felt so much pressure and this is one of the things why I've sort of distanced the things why I've sort of distanced the things why I've sort of distanced myself from the rugby community cuz so

33:00myself from the rugby community cuz so myself from the rugby community cuz so much of it is about how much can you much of it is about how much can you much of it is about how much can you drink? Let's get you as drunk as drink? Let's get you as drunk as drink? Let's get you as drunk as possible. possible. possible. And it's honestly been the best thing And it's honestly been the best thing And it's honestly been the best thing I've ever done. I'm a year and a half I've ever done. I'm a year and a half I've ever done. I'm a year and a half into it now. into it now. into it now. It doesn't even cross my mind. I found It doesn't even cross my mind. I found

33:12It doesn't even cross my mind. I found amazing replacements that I think are amazing replacements that I think are amazing replacements that I think are fantastic. Ones that are also really fantastic. Ones that are also really fantastic. Ones that are also really healthy. I found this one beer that healthy. I found this one beer that healthy. I found this one beer that it's full of electrolytes and it's you it's full of electrolytes and it's you it's full of electrolytes and it's you know, the carbohydrates in it are know, the carbohydrates in it are know, the carbohydrates in it are long-lasting energy. So like having a long-lasting energy. So like having a

33:24long-lasting energy. So like having a beer is now actually like a really beer is now actually like a really beer is now actually like a really healthy thing. I'm really lucky that all healthy thing. I'm really lucky that all healthy thing. I'm really lucky that all my friends are super supportive about my friends are super supportive about my friends are super supportive about it. I've never run into that scenario it. I've never run into that scenario it. I've never run into that scenario where my friends are like, "Oh, go on. where my friends are like, "Oh, go on. where my friends are like, "Oh, go on. Just have a beer. Like you're fine." Just have a beer. Like you're fine."

33:33Just have a beer. Like you're fine." They've always sort of really supported They've always sort of really supported They've always sort of really supported me and I don't want to be that person me and I don't want to be that person me and I don't want to be that person that's saying to people, "You should get that's saying to people, "You should get that's saying to people, "You should get sober. You should get sober." If I could sober. You should get sober." If I could sober. You should get sober." If I could encourage someone to drink less, encourage someone to drink less, encourage someone to drink less, then that's great. But I I don't want to then that's great. But I I don't want to

33:44then that's great. But I I don't want to start getting into the world of you need start getting into the world of you need start getting into the world of you need to stop drinking because I just it's to stop drinking because I just it's to stop drinking because I just it's it's not for me to say. I went on my own it's not for me to say. I went on my own it's not for me to say. I went on my own little journey. I'm really enjoying it. little journey. I'm really enjoying it. little journey. I'm really enjoying it. I'm delighted that my mom's all has also I'm delighted that my mom's all has also I'm delighted that my mom's all has also given up. She's loving it. And it's been

33:56given up. She's loving it. And it's been given up. She's loving it. And it's been amazing. I can't believe the difference amazing. I can't believe the difference amazing. I can't believe the difference that I feel from not drinking. Yeah. I that I feel from not drinking. Yeah. I that I feel from not drinking. Yeah. I feel amazing. feel amazing. feel amazing. That's amazing, man. I love hearing That's amazing, man. I love hearing That's amazing, man. I love hearing that. And and I love hearing that it's that. And and I love hearing that it's that. And and I love hearing that it's been great for you, right? I think been great for you, right? I think

34:04been great for you, right? I think that's That's the point. Not everything that's That's the point. Not everything that's That's the point. Not everything has to be like, "Look what I did. You has to be like, "Look what I did. You has to be like, "Look what I did. You can do it, too." It's kind of like, "No, can do it, too." It's kind of like, "No, can do it, too." It's kind of like, "No, this is just what's been great for me." this is just what's been great for me." this is just what's been great for me." Do you think it was partly that attitude Do you think it was partly that attitude Do you think it was partly that attitude for you at least in the beginning where

34:14for you at least in the beginning where for you at least in the beginning where it's like, "Well, look. I can drink. I it's like, "Well, look. I can drink. I it's like, "Well, look. I can drink. I drink a lot. It comes from my mom's drink a lot. It comes from my mom's drink a lot. It comes from my mom's genes and it doesn't affect me." And genes and it doesn't affect me." And genes and it doesn't affect me." And then all of a sudden you realize, "Well, then all of a sudden you realize, "Well, then all of a sudden you realize, "Well, wait a minute. It's more than that." wait a minute. It's more than that." wait a minute. It's more than that." Because I think there is that like I was

34:23Because I think there is that like I was Because I think there is that like I was like that as a young man as well. Like like that as a young man as well. Like like that as a young man as well. Like for me it was it was easy to drink. I I for me it was it was easy to drink. I I for me it was it was easy to drink. I I didn't drink daily. For me I drank a lot didn't drink daily. For me I drank a lot didn't drink daily. For me I drank a lot more socially. And I I playing drinking more socially. And I I playing drinking more socially. And I I playing drinking games with my mates. And that that was games with my mates. And that that was

34:32games with my mates. And that that was really what I enjoyed the most probably. really what I enjoyed the most probably. really what I enjoyed the most probably. And for me, when I quit, I could just And for me, when I quit, I could just And for me, when I quit, I could just quickly see how it just got me into quickly see how it just got me into quickly see how it just got me into doing things I would never do if I doing things I would never do if I doing things I would never do if I wasn't drunk. So, for me it was For me wasn't drunk. So, for me it was For me wasn't drunk. So, for me it was For me it was more that. But yeah, I wonder for it was more that. But yeah, I wonder for

34:44it was more that. But yeah, I wonder for you, did you find that it's there's a you, did you find that it's there's a you, did you find that it's there's a really fine line between like, "Oh, I really fine line between like, "Oh, I really fine line between like, "Oh, I know I can drink a lot." And then all of know I can drink a lot." And then all of know I can drink a lot." And then all of a sudden, you're kind of addict- not a sudden, you're kind of addict- not a sudden, you're kind of addict- not addicted beyond that. addicted beyond that. addicted beyond that. mate. I'm happy to say that I was mate. I'm happy to say that I was

34:53mate. I'm happy to say that I was definitely addicted to alcohol. Not definitely addicted to alcohol. Not definitely addicted to alcohol. Not shying away from that at all. I think shying away from that at all. I think shying away from that at all. I think anyone that wakes up and has a Not wakes anyone that wakes up and has a Not wakes anyone that wakes up and has a Not wakes up. Anyone that has a beer every day is up. Anyone that has a beer every day is up. Anyone that has a beer every day is probably got a little bit of a problem. probably got a little bit of a problem. probably got a little bit of a problem. But yeah, you're right. But yeah, you're right.

35:04But yeah, you're right. I would drink and drink and drink and I would drink and drink and drink and I would drink and drink and drink and drink, and then you would just reach drink, and then you would just reach drink, and then you would just reach that moment where you're like, "Wow, I that moment where you're like, "Wow, I that moment where you're like, "Wow, I shouldn't have had that last beer." And shouldn't have had that last beer." And shouldn't have had that last beer." And you wake up the next day and you have a you wake up the next day and you have a you wake up the next day and you have a terrible headache and you're suffering. terrible headache and you're suffering.

35:13terrible headache and you're suffering. I I bought one of those rings that will I I bought one of those rings that will I I bought one of those rings that will tell you about your sleep. tell you about your sleep. tell you about your sleep. And it was amazing cuz I couldn't sleep. And it was amazing cuz I couldn't sleep. And it was amazing cuz I couldn't sleep. I was like, "Why can't I sleep? I'm I was like, "Why can't I sleep? I'm I was like, "Why can't I sleep? I'm working 14 hours a day. I'm doing 2 working 14 hours a day. I'm doing 2 working 14 hours a day. I'm doing 2 hours in the gym. I'm eating really hours in the gym. I'm eating really

35:23hours in the gym. I'm eating really healthily, and I can't sleep. What's healthily, and I can't sleep. What's healthily, and I can't sleep. What's wrong with me?" I bought this ring, and wrong with me?" I bought this ring, and wrong with me?" I bought this ring, and it was booze. It just It was a it was booze. It just It was a it was booze. It just It was a completely affecting my sleep, and since completely affecting my sleep, and since completely affecting my sleep, and since I've given it up, I can sleep anywhere. I've given it up, I can sleep anywhere. I've given it up, I can sleep anywhere. You know? It's also interesting as well You know? It's also interesting as well

35:35You know? It's also interesting as well going on nights out going on nights out going on nights out and having a great time as the sober and having a great time as the sober and having a great time as the sober person, and then getting to that point person, and then getting to that point person, and then getting to that point in the night where people start, you in the night where people start, you in the night where people start, you know, spitting in your ear, and know, spitting in your ear, and know, spitting in your ear, and everyone's like, "I love you, man. I everyone's like, "I love you, man. I everyone's like, "I love you, man. I love you so much." And you're like,

35:46love you so much." And you're like, love you so much." And you're like, "Yeah, brilliant. I love you, too. I'll "Yeah, brilliant. I love you, too. I'll "Yeah, brilliant. I love you, too. I'll see you tomorrow. I'm going to bed." see you tomorrow. I'm going to bed." see you tomorrow. I'm going to bed." But I love being that person now. I love But I love being that person now. I love But I love being that person now. I love seeing my friends on the golf course at seeing my friends on the golf course at seeing my friends on the golf course at 8:00 a.m. in the morning feeling fresh 8:00 a.m. in the morning feeling fresh 8:00 a.m. in the morning feeling fresh and ready to go. And they're sort of

35:57and ready to go. And they're sort of and ready to go. And they're sort of crawling out their car and So, yeah. So, crawling out their car and So, yeah. So, crawling out their car and So, yeah. So, I I I'm I I I'm I I I'm over the moon to be sober. I love it. over the moon to be sober. I love it. over the moon to be sober. I love it. Yeah. For anyone who is listening right Yeah. For anyone who is listening right Yeah. For anyone who is listening right now and is going, now and is going, now and is going, "Tom, I love that for you. I want to do "Tom, I love that for you. I want to do "Tom, I love that for you. I want to do it, too." Like they're listening going,

36:11it, too." Like they're listening going, it, too." Like they're listening going, "I'm having too much every day. I can "I'm having too much every day. I can "I'm having too much every day. I can notice some of those things, but I'm notice some of those things, but I'm notice some of those things, but I'm just stuck." And it's hard because we just stuck." And it's hard because we just stuck." And it's hard because we know that addiction's that way. We know know that addiction's that way. We know know that addiction's that way. We know that this is heavy. It's not easy. But that this is heavy. It's not easy. But that this is heavy. It's not easy. But if someone is watching going, "Tom, tell

36:21if someone is watching going, "Tom, tell if someone is watching going, "Tom, tell me like what What did you do to even get me like what What did you do to even get me like what What did you do to even get started? How did you have that courage started? How did you have that courage started? How did you have that courage to say, 'I'm going to do January. I'm to say, 'I'm going to do January. I'm to say, 'I'm going to do January. I'm going to stick at it. Were there any going to stick at it. Were there any going to stick at it. Were there any moments where you actually fell back and moments where you actually fell back and

36:29moments where you actually fell back and then had to get back on the horse again? then had to get back on the horse again? then had to get back on the horse again? Like, just walk us through that a little Like, just walk us through that a little Like, just walk us through that a little bit more for anyone who is watching bit more for anyone who is watching bit more for anyone who is watching going, "Tom, mate, I I want to be in going, "Tom, mate, I I want to be in going, "Tom, mate, I I want to be in your position in like 6 months." I your position in like 6 months." I your position in like 6 months." I didn't fall back on it. I have done in didn't fall back on it. I have done in

36:40didn't fall back on it. I have done in the past. Like, I've had the past. Like, I've had the past. Like, I've had periods of my life where I'd given up periods of my life where I'd given up periods of my life where I'd given up drinking and then gone back to drinking. drinking and then gone back to drinking. drinking and then gone back to drinking. Um but this time Um but this time Um but this time I don't know. It was just different. I I don't know. It was just different. I I don't know. It was just different. I really worked to sort of change my really worked to sort of change my really worked to sort of change my mindset. I really asked myself like, mindset. I really asked myself like,

36:55mindset. I really asked myself like, "Why do you drink? Why are you "Why do you drink? Why are you "Why do you drink? Why are you drinking?" And a lot of the time my drinking?" And a lot of the time my drinking?" And a lot of the time my answer would be to feel more comfortable answer would be to feel more comfortable answer would be to feel more comfortable in the social environment. in the social environment. in the social environment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I just put myself And I just put myself And I just put myself in those environments and just would in those environments and just would in those environments and just would force myself to be there. I'd force

37:08force myself to be there. I'd force force myself to be there. I'd force myself to hang out and and go to a club myself to hang out and and go to a club myself to hang out and and go to a club or go to a bar or go to a dinner. Yeah, or go to a bar or go to a dinner. Yeah, or go to a bar or go to a dinner. Yeah, so you weren't avoiding those places. I so you weren't avoiding those places. I so you weren't avoiding those places. I was at the beginning because I didn't was at the beginning because I didn't was at the beginning because I didn't feel like I could go and not have a feel like I could go and not have a feel like I could go and not have a drink because of the stress of it. But

37:18drink because of the stress of it. But drink because of the stress of it. But then after a while I sort of was like, then after a while I sort of was like, then after a while I sort of was like, "Mate, you've got to pull your socks up "Mate, you've got to pull your socks up "Mate, you've got to pull your socks up here and you can't just live in your here and you can't just live in your here and you can't just live in your house all the time. You've got to go out house all the time. You've got to go out house all the time. You've got to go out and enjoy yourself. And And if you're and enjoy yourself. And And if you're

37:26and enjoy yourself. And And if you're only enjoying because you're drinking, only enjoying because you're drinking, only enjoying because you're drinking, then you really do have a problem." But then you really do have a problem." But then you really do have a problem." But I just changed my mindset. I just I I just changed my mindset. I just I I just changed my mindset. I just I found really good replacements. found really good replacements. found really good replacements. Things that I could sort of attribute to Things that I could sort of attribute to Things that I could sort of attribute to having a beer. I often found with me, having a beer. I often found with me,

37:38having a beer. I often found with me, most of it is just the ritual of most of it is just the ritual of most of it is just the ritual of cracking something open and sharing it cracking something open and sharing it cracking something open and sharing it with friends and drinking it. Whether with friends and drinking it. Whether with friends and drinking it. Whether it's sparkling water or a beer, I now it's sparkling water or a beer, I now it's sparkling water or a beer, I now can't I don't associate like I don't see can't I don't associate like I don't see can't I don't associate like I don't see a difference. Yeah. I don't think it's a difference. Yeah. I don't think it's

37:51a difference. Yeah. I don't think it's different for everyone. I had a great different for everyone. I had a great different for everyone. I had a great support system. Jack is one of my best support system. Jack is one of my best support system. Jack is one of my best mates and we travel all over the world. mates and we travel all over the world. mates and we travel all over the world. He doesn't drink and doing it with him He doesn't drink and doing it with him He doesn't drink and doing it with him was was a really was was a really was was a really helpful experience for me. My brother is helpful experience for me. My brother is

38:01helpful experience for me. My brother is always on the road with me. He was very always on the road with me. He was very always on the road with me. He was very supportive. supportive. supportive. And yeah, I just really set my mind to And yeah, I just really set my mind to And yeah, I just really set my mind to it. I was like, "I really want to do it. I was like, "I really want to do it. I was like, "I really want to do this. I want to prove to myself I can do this. I want to prove to myself I can do this. I want to prove to myself I can do it." it." it." Yeah. And then once I'd felt the health Yeah. And then once I'd felt the health

38:10Yeah. And then once I'd felt the health benefits and started really feeling like benefits and started really feeling like benefits and started really feeling like my full self, I was like, "Oh my god, my full self, I was like, "Oh my god, my full self, I was like, "Oh my god, this is this is the best." But do you this is this is the best." But do you this is this is the best." But do you not drink? I haven't drank for 17 years. not drink? I haven't drank for 17 years. not drink? I haven't drank for 17 years. No way. Congratulations. That's amazing. No way. Congratulations. That's amazing. No way. Congratulations. That's amazing. Yeah, it's it's incredible. Wow.

38:24Yeah, it's it's incredible. Wow. Yeah, it's it's incredible. Wow. one of the Like worry when I was about to quit was Like worry when I was about to quit was like how am I going to hang out with my like how am I going to hang out with my like how am I going to hang out with my mates? That was my biggest worry.

38:39That was me back That was me back Like Like Like Like a guy

38:50Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like

39:10Sure. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure.

40:22There is a way community of people and I There is a way community of people and I love it. I love being a part of that love it. I love being a part of that love it. I love being a part of that community. I'm really proud to be a part community. I'm really proud to be a part community. I'm really proud to be a part of it. I hope that, you know, I can meet of it. I hope that, you know, I can meet of it. I hope that, you know, I can meet other people and chat to them about it other people and chat to them about it other people and chat to them about it because it's really nice. It's lovely to because it's really nice. It's lovely to

40:30because it's really nice. It's lovely to be like, let's go get a lime soda be like, let's go get a lime soda be like, let's go get a lime soda together, you know? Yeah, let's get a together, you know? Yeah, let's get a together, you know? Yeah, let's get a juice. Yeah, let's get a smoothie. Yeah. juice. Yeah, let's get a smoothie. Yeah. juice. Yeah, let's get a smoothie. Yeah. Yeah, no, it it it is true. It's true Yeah, no, it it it is true. It's true Yeah, no, it it it is true. It's true and it's really interesting because they and it's really interesting because they and it's really interesting because they I can't remember I I'm trying to I can't remember I I'm trying to

40:40I can't remember I I'm trying to remember there was this blog that came remember there was this blog that came remember there was this blog that came out years ago. I can't even remember it out years ago. I can't even remember it out years ago. I can't even remember it now and there was this girl on Instagram now and there was this girl on Instagram now and there was this girl on Instagram who was getting a lot of likes and a lot who was getting a lot of likes and a lot who was getting a lot of likes and a lot of comments and a lot of attention. of comments and a lot of attention. of comments and a lot of attention. And one day she just disappeared. Like

40:56And one day she just disappeared. Like And one day she just disappeared. Like she stopped posting. she stopped posting. she stopped posting. And everyone was just like all the And everyone was just like all the And everyone was just like all the comments were like, where are you? What comments were like, where are you? What comments were like, where are you? What happened? Are you okay? Like what happened? Are you okay? Like what happened? Are you okay? Like what happened to you? You know, everyone was happened to you? You know, everyone was happened to you? You know, everyone was frantic trying to figure out what frantic trying to figure out what

41:04frantic trying to figure out what happened to her because they loved her, happened to her because they loved her, happened to her because they loved her, they were following her and all the rest they were following her and all the rest they were following her and all the rest of it. of it. of it. And And And what they didn't know is that it was what they didn't know is that it was what they didn't know is that it was built by a team that was trying to show built by a team that was trying to show built by a team that was trying to show that what people didn't notice is that that what people didn't notice is that that what people didn't notice is that in every picture she posted she was

41:16in every picture she posted she was in every picture she posted she was drinking. And it was a made-up it was drinking. And it was a made-up it was drinking. And it was a made-up it was almost like original AI that was made up almost like original AI that was made up almost like original AI that was made up to prove the point that you can love to prove the point that you can love to prove the point that you can love someone and you can think you're really someone and you can think you're really someone and you can think you're really close to them and you you can think close to them and you you can think close to them and you you can think their lifestyle looks amazing but

41:26their lifestyle looks amazing but their lifestyle looks amazing but actually they've got a drink in every actually they've got a drink in every actually they've got a drink in every picture they post and you didn't realize picture they post and you didn't realize picture they post and you didn't realize they had an alcohol problem. So there they had an alcohol problem. So there they had an alcohol problem. So there was no real person who died but the was no real person who died but the was no real person who died but the point was that this your friends could point was that this your friends could point was that this your friends could be struggling even when they're posting

41:37be struggling even when they're posting be struggling even when they're posting these beautiful lifestyle pictures but these beautiful lifestyle pictures but these beautiful lifestyle pictures but are you aware? are you aware? are you aware? Wow. And are you conscious of how much Wow. And are you conscious of how much Wow. And are you conscious of how much it affects you? And I can't can't it affects you? And I can't can't it affects you? And I can't can't remember who built that page. remember who built that page. remember who built that page. I I think that's one of the problems I I think that's one of the problems I I think that's one of the problems with alcohol is that if you came out

41:48with alcohol is that if you came out with alcohol is that if you came out with alcohol right now, if alcohol with alcohol right now, if alcohol with alcohol right now, if alcohol wasn't a thing and you like I've wasn't a thing and you like I've wasn't a thing and you like I've invented this drink that is going to invented this drink that is going to invented this drink that is going to make you like either really happy or make you like either really happy or make you like either really happy or really aggressive or really stupid and really aggressive or really stupid and really aggressive or really stupid and we're going to just sell it to the we're going to just sell it to the

41:59we're going to just sell it to the masses. masses. masses. People would be like, People would be like, People would be like, nah, mate, keep your funky juice. Like nah, mate, keep your funky juice. Like nah, mate, keep your funky juice. Like we don't want that. That sounds we don't want that. That sounds we don't want that. That sounds terrible. And it's one of those things terrible. And it's one of those things terrible. And it's one of those things cuz it is so socially acceptable that cuz it is so socially acceptable that cuz it is so socially acceptable that the addiction side of it, the bad sides the addiction side of it, the bad sides

42:09the addiction side of it, the bad sides of it really do fly under the radar. of it really do fly under the radar. of it really do fly under the radar. Yeah. And that's really interesting. Yeah. And that's really interesting. Yeah. And that's really interesting. I'll tell you something I do love about I'll tell you something I do love about I'll tell you something I do love about being a non-drinker. I love being the being a non-drinker. I love being the being a non-drinker. I love being the designated driver. designated driver. designated driver. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love being that person that makes sure I love being that person that makes sure

42:20I love being that person that makes sure that everyone gets home. that everyone gets home. that everyone gets home. I don't know. I just I like being a I don't know. I just I like being a I don't know. I just I like being a dependable person. I I think I'm quite dependable person. I I think I'm quite dependable person. I I think I'm quite dependable and I really like that that dependable and I really like that that dependable and I really like that that um thing and I saw this crazy YouTube um thing and I saw this crazy YouTube um thing and I saw this crazy YouTube video once. This was years ago of a guy video once. This was years ago of a guy

42:34video once. This was years ago of a guy that went to a bar, he got drunk, and he that went to a bar, he got drunk, and he that went to a bar, he got drunk, and he drove home, and he crashed his car. drove home, and he crashed his car. drove home, and he crashed his car. And I don't know if this is real. It And I don't know if this is real. It And I don't know if this is real. It could have been fake, but it's really could have been fake, but it's really could have been fake, but it's really impactful. Basically, what his friend impactful. Basically, what his friend impactful. Basically, what his friend had done was had done was had done was set up the room as if he had been in a

42:49set up the room as if he had been in a set up the room as if he had been in a coma for like 10 years. coma for like 10 years. coma for like 10 years. And his friend wakes up hours after the And his friend wakes up hours after the And his friend wakes up hours after the crash crash crash and his friend is there and he had all and his friend is there and he had all and his friend is there and he had all like old makeup on to make him look like old makeup on to make him look like old makeup on to make him look older. older. older. And now I'm thinking about it, there's And now I'm thinking about it, there's And now I'm thinking about it, there's no way this could have been real because

43:02no way this could have been real because no way this could have been real because how would they have been able to pull how would they have been able to pull how would they have been able to pull that off? But he basically is saying to that off? But he basically is saying to that off? But he basically is saying to him like, him like, him like, "You've been asleep for 10 years. "You've been asleep for 10 years. "You've been asleep for 10 years. Everyone's missed you. Like we can't Everyone's missed you. Like we can't Everyone's missed you. Like we can't believe you're awake. This is amazing." believe you're awake. This is amazing."

43:10believe you're awake. This is amazing." And it shows like how a stupid decision And it shows like how a stupid decision And it shows like how a stupid decision like driving drunk can affect the future like driving drunk can affect the future like driving drunk can affect the future of your life. of your life. of your life. So I do love being the designated So I do love being the designated So I do love being the designated driver. That is something I enjoy. driver. That is something I enjoy. driver. That is something I enjoy. Seeing my friends have a good time and Seeing my friends have a good time and Seeing my friends have a good time and being like, "Don't worry, Tom will take

43:21being like, "Don't worry, Tom will take being like, "Don't worry, Tom will take you home." Yeah. you home." Yeah. you home." Yeah. I I I used to love being the designated I I I used to love being the designated I I I used to love being the designated driver until I realized that my next driver until I realized that my next driver until I realized that my next girlfriend just had me do that because I girlfriend just had me do that because I girlfriend just had me do that because I was the one who didn't drink. was the one who didn't drink. was the one who didn't drink. That wasn't a fun designated driver job, That wasn't a fun designated driver job,

43:31That wasn't a fun designated driver job, but I've always been that guy since but I've always been that guy since but I've always been that guy since because so I I lived as a monk for 3 because so I I lived as a monk for 3 because so I I lived as a monk for 3 years. Yeah, amazing. years. Yeah, amazing. years. Yeah, amazing. And when I came back after that, And when I came back after that, And when I came back after that, obviously I never went back to drinking obviously I never went back to drinking obviously I never went back to drinking alcohol and everything. And so but I alcohol and everything. And so but I alcohol and everything. And so but I went back into the workplace and I

43:43went back into the workplace and I went back into the workplace and I remember everyone would always open up remember everyone would always open up remember everyone would always open up to me and give me advice. But it's what to me and give me advice. But it's what to me and give me advice. But it's what you're saying, when someone was drunk, you're saying, when someone was drunk, you're saying, when someone was drunk, they'd tell me their whole life story. they'd tell me their whole life story. they'd tell me their whole life story. Yeah. Next day they'd wake up and go, Yeah. Next day they'd wake up and go, Yeah. Next day they'd wake up and go, "Jay, you don't actually remember what I

43:52"Jay, you don't actually remember what I "Jay, you don't actually remember what I said, right?" And I'm like, "I remember said, right?" And I'm like, "I remember said, right?" And I'm like, "I remember everything." They're like, "Please don't everything." They're like, "Please don't everything." They're like, "Please don't tell anyone." tell anyone." tell anyone." You know, and I loved I loved that part You know, and I loved I loved that part You know, and I loved I loved that part where I was like I was able to be there where I was like I was able to be there where I was like I was able to be there for people. for people. for people. Totally. Totally. Totally. Just hear their stories.

44:01Just hear their stories. Just hear their stories. 100%. 100%. 100%. that had context the next day cuz if that had context the next day cuz if that had context the next day cuz if they told someone else who was drunk, they told someone else who was drunk, they told someone else who was drunk, you'd both not remember and it'd be you'd both not remember and it'd be you'd both not remember and it'd be gone. No, I I think the benefits that gone. No, I I think the benefits that gone. No, I I think the benefits that you've just pointed out of good sleep, you've just pointed out of good sleep, you've just pointed out of good sleep, good health, great mental clarity,

44:12good health, great mental clarity, good health, great mental clarity, they're huge. But, there's a couple of they're huge. But, there's a couple of they're huge. But, there's a couple of things I want to point out for everyone things I want to point out for everyone things I want to point out for everyone who's listening just as takeaways cuz who's listening just as takeaways cuz who's listening just as takeaways cuz Tom makes it Tom makes it Tom makes it so seamless when you're talking about so seamless when you're talking about so seamless when you're talking about it. It's really beautiful as well. But, it. It's really beautiful as well. But,

44:21it. It's really beautiful as well. But, one of the things you mentioned was one of the things you mentioned was one of the things you mentioned was finding alternatives. And during my monk finding alternatives. And during my monk finding alternatives. And during my monk life, we always talked about how there life, we always talked about how there life, we always talked about how there was there was something that we called was there was something that we called was there was something that we called the higher taste. And it was saying you the higher taste. And it was saying you the higher taste. And it was saying you can never give up a lower taste unless

44:31can never give up a lower taste unless can never give up a lower taste unless you had a higher taste. you had a higher taste. you had a higher taste. Sure. Sure. Sure. And so, there has to be a switch. There And so, there has to be a switch. There And so, there has to be a switch. There has to be a replacement. has to be a replacement. has to be a replacement. be a replacement. 100% the fact that you be a replacement. 100% the fact that you be a replacement. 100% the fact that you found alternatives, I think that's half found alternatives, I think that's half found alternatives, I think that's half the battle. Cuz most of us are trying to the battle. Cuz most of us are trying to

44:39the battle. Cuz most of us are trying to take something out of our lives, and take something out of our lives, and take something out of our lives, and then you're just trying to fill it. then you're just trying to fill it. then you're just trying to fill it. Yeah. And then you have to go back to Yeah. And then you have to go back to Yeah. And then you have to go back to what you had before because you're not what you had before because you're not what you had before because you're not finding a replacement. So, that was finding a replacement. So, that was finding a replacement. So, that was beautiful. And the second thing you said beautiful. And the second thing you said

44:48beautiful. And the second thing you said which I loved which was having this which I loved which was having this which I loved which was having this conversation and dialogue with other conversation and dialogue with other conversation and dialogue with other people. Someone who's 1 year ahead of people. Someone who's 1 year ahead of people. Someone who's 1 year ahead of you, someone who's 10 years ahead, you, someone who's 10 years ahead, you, someone who's 10 years ahead, someone who's 20 years ahead who's gone someone who's 20 years ahead who's gone someone who's 20 years ahead who's gone through that process, and they're open through that process, and they're open

44:58through that process, and they're open and honest and vulnerable about, "You and honest and vulnerable about, "You and honest and vulnerable about, "You know what? I did have a weak moment." know what? I did have a weak moment." know what? I did have a weak moment." Or, "You know what? This was really Or, "You know what? This was really Or, "You know what? This was really tough for me." And I think having those tough for me." And I think having those tough for me." And I think having those communities where you can talk about communities where you can talk about communities where you can talk about these things makes a massive difference. these things makes a massive difference.

45:08these things makes a massive difference. So, if anyone's struggling, I hope that So, if anyone's struggling, I hope that So, if anyone's struggling, I hope that those two things can kind of, you know, those two things can kind of, you know, those two things can kind of, you know, give you the support you need. And give you the support you need. And give you the support you need. And again, it goes back to the message of of again, it goes back to the message of of again, it goes back to the message of of the show is that like you should ask for the show is that like you should ask for the show is that like you should ask for help. And you should feel empowered to

45:18help. And you should feel empowered to help. And you should feel empowered to do so. Yeah. But, tell me about your do so. Yeah. But, tell me about your do so. Yeah. But, tell me about your monk life. Like, that must have been monk life. Like, that must have been monk life. Like, that must have been amazing. amazing. amazing. It was special. It was special. It was special. I've always been so tempted to go away I've always been so tempted to go away I've always been so tempted to go away and do one of those retreats where, and do one of those retreats where, and do one of those retreats where, you know, you go to somewhere like India you know, you go to somewhere like India

45:29you know, you go to somewhere like India and you go to those places where you and you go to those places where you and you go to those places where you don't speak for a month or something don't speak for a month or something don't speak for a month or something like that. Like, that must have just like that. Like, that must have just like that. Like, that must have just been the most enlightening experience. been the most enlightening experience. been the most enlightening experience. Mate, now that you've said that, when Mate, now that you've said that, when Mate, now that you've said that, when you when you want to go, I'm going to you when you want to go, I'm going to

45:38you when you want to go, I'm going to take you. take you. take you. Please. Cuz I would Please. Cuz I would Please. Cuz I would absolutely love to go. I met a guy I was absolutely love to go. I met a guy I was absolutely love to go. I met a guy I was on holiday earlier this year, and he had on holiday earlier this year, and he had on holiday earlier this year, and he had just got back from a retreat. He had 2 just got back from a retreat. He had 2 just got back from a retreat. He had 2 weeks where he didn't make a sound. Mhm. weeks where he didn't make a sound. Mhm. weeks where he didn't make a sound. Mhm. And was just explaining to me how And was just explaining to me how

45:51And was just explaining to me how eye-opening it was. eye-opening it was. eye-opening it was. Yeah. Yeah, no. I I mean, to me it was Yeah. Yeah, no. I I mean, to me it was Yeah. Yeah, no. I I mean, to me it was one of the best experiences of my life one of the best experiences of my life one of the best experiences of my life because even the stuff that I did then, because even the stuff that I did then, because even the stuff that I did then, I was 22 years old when I did it. I was 22 years old when I did it. I was 22 years old when I did it. Even the stuff that I did then, I don't Even the stuff that I did then, I don't

46:03Even the stuff that I did then, I don't even know if I'd be able to do it even know if I'd be able to do it even know if I'd be able to do it anymore now, but there was such a like anymore now, but there was such a like anymore now, but there was such a like energy you had as a 22-year-old where energy you had as a 22-year-old where energy you had as a 22-year-old where you're just open to any experience and you're just open to any experience and you're just open to any experience and wanting to try it all out. wanting to try it all out. wanting to try it all out. Amazing. And I think for me it was Amazing. And I think for me it was

46:13Amazing. And I think for me it was because and it comes back to the people because and it comes back to the people because and it comes back to the people that have done things. When I was 18 was that have done things. When I was 18 was that have done things. When I was 18 was when I first met a monk. I I never when I first met a monk. I I never when I first met a monk. I I never really knew what monks did or really knew what monks did or really knew what monks did or any of their practices, but I met a monk any of their practices, but I met a monk any of their practices, but I met a monk who I write about in my book who just who I write about in my book who just

46:27who I write about in my book who just blew my mind because he was the first blew my mind because he was the first blew my mind because he was the first person I met that I felt was at ease person I met that I felt was at ease person I met that I felt was at ease with himself. And when I was 18 I'd met with himself. And when I was 18 I'd met with himself. And when I was 18 I'd met people who were like rich and famous and people who were like rich and famous and people who were like rich and famous and you know, beautiful and powerful and all you know, beautiful and powerful and all you know, beautiful and powerful and all this type of stuff, but I don't think

46:40this type of stuff, but I don't think this type of stuff, but I don't think I'd met anyone who was truly happy and I'd met anyone who was truly happy and I'd met anyone who was truly happy and content with themselves. Not happy like, content with themselves. Not happy like, content with themselves. Not happy like, "Oh, I'm so happy. Life's amazing." I "Oh, I'm so happy. Life's amazing." I "Oh, I'm so happy. Life's amazing." I mean more like happy with who they mean more like happy with who they mean more like happy with who they with who they are. with who they were. with who they are. with who they were. with who they are. with who they were. yeah, totally. And for some reason at 18

46:52yeah, totally. And for some reason at 18 yeah, totally. And for some reason at 18 that kind of like was an arrow straight that kind of like was an arrow straight that kind of like was an arrow straight to my heart where I was like, "That's to my heart where I was like, "That's to my heart where I was like, "That's that's real. Like I want that." And it that's real. Like I want that." And it that's real. Like I want that." And it just it's so hard to explain because just it's so hard to explain because just it's so hard to explain because everyone's like, "Well, how did you know everyone's like, "Well, how did you know

47:01everyone's like, "Well, how did you know that at 18?" I was like, "I don't know. that at 18?" I was like, "I don't know. that at 18?" I was like, "I don't know. It must have been how powerful he was." It must have been how powerful he was." It must have been how powerful he was." It's kind of like it's kind of like you It's kind of like it's kind of like you It's kind of like it's kind of like you wake up when when the sun's out and the wake up when when the sun's out and the wake up when when the sun's out and the light's out and you just wake up because light's out and you just wake up because light's out and you just wake up because you feel that energy. And I felt it

47:12you feel that energy. And I felt it you feel that energy. And I felt it through him and then I I went to through him and then I I went to through him and then I I went to university and I'd talk to him and I'd university and I'd talk to him and I'd university and I'd talk to him and I'd meet him in the summers and Christmases, meet him in the summers and Christmases, meet him in the summers and Christmases, but I just decided I was like, "I want but I just decided I was like, "I want but I just decided I was like, "I want to do this because I'd met someone who I to do this because I'd met someone who I to do this because I'd met someone who I felt had emotional and mental mastery in

47:25felt had emotional and mental mastery in felt had emotional and mental mastery in a way that I'd never seen before." Wow. a way that I'd never seen before." Wow. a way that I'd never seen before." Wow. And so when I went out there and whether And so when I went out there and whether And so when I went out there and whether it was the meditation training or it was the meditation training or it was the meditation training or whether it was the simplicity training whether it was the simplicity training whether it was the simplicity training of the lifestyle or whether it was the of the lifestyle or whether it was the of the lifestyle or whether it was the the the teachings and the values that

47:38the the teachings and the values that the the teachings and the values that you had to live by, you had to live by, you had to live by, I just got so I got so much from it that I just got so I got so much from it that I just got so I got so much from it that I honestly believe that anything that I honestly believe that anything that I honestly believe that anything that I'm good at doing today is because of I'm good at doing today is because of I'm good at doing today is because of what I learned during that time. And so what I learned during that time. And so what I learned during that time. And so anything I'm good at today is because of anything I'm good at today is because of

47:48anything I'm good at today is because of that. Do you think that you found what that. Do you think that you found what that. Do you think that you found what he had? Yeah, I believe so and I would he had? Yeah, I believe so and I would he had? Yeah, I believe so and I would say that say that say that Or has he Or has he Or has he still got it? right. still got it? right. still got it? right. Yeah, Yeah, I still see him every year. Yeah, Yeah, I still see him every year. Yeah, Yeah, I still see him every year. Amazing. And he still has it. Like Amazing. And he still has it. Like Amazing. And he still has it. Like yeah, it's like swag. Like it doesn't go

48:01yeah, it's like swag. Like it doesn't go yeah, it's like swag. Like it doesn't go away. He still has it. And yeah, away. He still has it. And yeah, away. He still has it. And yeah, definitely, definitely. I got a glimpse definitely, definitely. I got a glimpse definitely, definitely. I got a glimpse into it. Obviously, he's been doing it into it. Obviously, he's been doing it into it. Obviously, he's been doing it for, you know, nearly 30 years and I for, you know, nearly 30 years and I for, you know, nearly 30 years and I only did it for three, but you still get only did it for three, but you still get only did it for three, but you still get to a glimpse of it and you get an

48:13to a glimpse of it and you get an to a glimpse of it and you get an experience of it, so you know that it experience of it, so you know that it experience of it, so you know that it exists. And I think that's half the exists. And I think that's half the exists. And I think that's half the battle, too. Like even with your battle, too. Like even with your battle, too. Like even with your sobriety, it's like you just need to sobriety, it's like you just need to sobriety, it's like you just need to know it exists. know it exists. know it exists. Totally. And then you're like, "Wow, Totally. And then you're like, "Wow, Totally. And then you're like, "Wow, there's this other side."

48:23there's this other side." there's this other side." 100%. 100%. 100%. though it's a challenge and even though though it's a challenge and even though though it's a challenge and even though I'm still trying to be more mindful I'm still trying to be more mindful I'm still trying to be more mindful every day and I'm still working on every day and I'm still working on every day and I'm still working on myself because it's Of course. It's an myself because it's Of course. It's an myself because it's Of course. It's an endless endless endless Yeah, it's endless. ongoing thing. Yeah, Yeah, it's endless. ongoing thing. Yeah,

48:33Yeah, it's endless. ongoing thing. Yeah, I know I know it. And and I take a lot I know I know it. And and I take a lot I know I know it. And and I take a lot of friends and and people I know on of friends and and people I know on of friends and and people I know on retreats there because just a couple of retreats there because just a couple of retreats there because just a couple of years ago I took someone that I love to years ago I took someone that I love to years ago I took someone that I love to one of the caves in Rishikesh. So, one one of the caves in Rishikesh. So, one one of the caves in Rishikesh. So, one of the things I love about caves is that

48:44of the things I love about caves is that of the things I love about caves is that they're equally dark and silent. Yeah. they're equally dark and silent. Yeah. they're equally dark and silent. Yeah. So, it's almost like the first time that So, it's almost like the first time that So, it's almost like the first time that we could be silent in this room and it we could be silent in this room and it we could be silent in this room and it would be silent, but the silence of a would be silent, but the silence of a would be silent, but the silence of a cave Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different level. cave Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different level.

48:55cave Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different level. And so, when you go in there, you can't And so, when you go in there, you can't And so, when you go in there, you can't see anything either. So, you can't even see anything either. So, you can't even see anything either. So, you can't even see yourself. see yourself. see yourself. So, you're so deep into the cave that So, you're so deep into the cave that So, you're so deep into the cave that there's no light from the mouth of the there's no light from the mouth of the there's no light from the mouth of the cave anyway. There's no light from the cave anyway. There's no light from the cave anyway. There's no light from the mouth mouth of the cave.

49:04mouth mouth of the cave. mouth mouth of the cave. Oh, I don't know about that. That's Oh, I don't know about that. That's Oh, I don't know about that. That's really stressing me really stressing me really stressing me No, you hold hands. No, No, you hold hands. No, No, you hold hands. No, you don't hold hands, but it's it's just you don't hold hands, but it's it's just you don't hold hands, but it's it's just it's one of those experiences that you it's one of those experiences that you it's one of those experiences that you actually get to experience real actually get to experience real actually get to experience real stillness and real silence and real real

49:19stillness and real silence and real real stillness and real silence and real real disconnection disconnection disconnection from everything around you. And then you from everything around you. And then you from everything around you. And then you can actually listen to yourself. can actually listen to yourself. can actually listen to yourself. Yeah, it's interesting. I would love to Yeah, it's interesting. I would love to Yeah, it's interesting. I would love to do something like that. Something that I do something like that. Something that I do something like that. Something that I find myself doing a lot find myself doing a lot find myself doing a lot is is is if I see if I see

49:34if I see a beautiful landscape or something a beautiful landscape or something a beautiful landscape or something I will try and I will try and I will try and see if I can find an angle of it where see if I can find an angle of it where see if I can find an angle of it where there's nothing man-made in the view. there's nothing man-made in the view. there's nothing man-made in the view. Cuz you know what it's like? Like you Cuz you know what it's like? Like you Cuz you know what it's like? Like you see a beautiful hill or something and see a beautiful hill or something and see a beautiful hill or something and there's a telephone pole in the middle there's a telephone pole in the middle

49:49there's a telephone pole in the middle of it or a lamp post or something. So, of it or a lamp post or something. So, of it or a lamp post or something. So, doing something like that where there is doing something like that where there is doing something like that where there is nothing but just nothing but just nothing but just mother nature and the silence and being mother nature and the silence and being mother nature and the silence and being with yourself. with yourself. with yourself. I'm obsessed with nature. It's like one I'm obsessed with nature. It's like one I'm obsessed with nature. It's like one of my biggest passions. I'm absolutely of my biggest passions. I'm absolutely

50:02of my biggest passions. I'm absolutely like this new our planet show has just like this new our planet show has just like this new our planet show has just come out. One sitting I've done the come out. One sitting I've done the come out. One sitting I've done the whole thing. whole thing. whole thing. Um so I would love to do something like Um so I would love to do something like Um so I would love to do something like that. So next time you go in let me that. So next time you go in let me that. So next time you go in let me know. I'll come with you. know. I'll come with you. know. I'll come with you. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

50:11yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

50:14yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh, I love Bali. Oh, I love Bali. Oh, I love Bali. it was unbelievable. We went white water it was unbelievable. We went white water it was unbelievable. We went white water rafting and it almost felt like Jurassic rafting and it almost felt like Jurassic

50:22rafting and it almost felt like Jurassic Park. I was just waiting for a dinosaur Park. I was just waiting for a dinosaur Park. I was just waiting for a dinosaur head to pop out. And it was just head to pop out. And it was just head to pop out. And it was just beautiful. It was so lush. It was so beautiful. It was so lush. It was so beautiful. It was so lush. It was so natural. There was these waterfalls natural. There was these waterfalls natural. There was these waterfalls everywhere and another place that I've everywhere and another place that I've everywhere and another place that I've loved nature wise India of course we we loved nature wise India of course we we

50:32loved nature wise India of course we we mentioned but Iceland. I'd love to go to mentioned but Iceland. I'd love to go to mentioned but Iceland. I'd love to go to Iceland. Iceland. Iceland. a few years ago and my friend was a few years ago and my friend was a few years ago and my friend was filming a documentary out there. Mhm. filming a documentary out there. Mhm. filming a documentary out there. Mhm. And so I got to experience it with the And so I got to experience it with the And so I got to experience it with the documentary travelers and we went to a documentary travelers and we went to a documentary travelers and we went to a real glacier and we went to you know and

50:46real glacier and we went to you know and real glacier and we went to you know and and it was incredible to just it was the and it was incredible to just it was the and it was incredible to just it was the first time I felt like I'd landed on first time I felt like I'd landed on first time I felt like I'd landed on another planet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. another planet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. another planet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just I literally I was like this It was just I literally I was like this It was just I literally I was like this looks like nothing I've ever seen before looks like nothing I've ever seen before

50:55looks like nothing I've ever seen before in my life. Like I'm on another like I I in my life. Like I'm on another like I I in my life. Like I'm on another like I I could have Yeah. I could have gone into could have Yeah. I could have gone into could have Yeah. I could have gone into outer space and landed on another outer space and landed on another outer space and landed on another planet. planet. planet. There's a reason why every single space There's a reason why every single space There's a reason why every single space film Iceland is the first on the list film Iceland is the first on the list film Iceland is the first on the list for locations. for locations.

51:05for locations. Oh, is that the I didn't know that. Oh, is that the I didn't know that. Oh, is that the I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm think Interstellar probably shot in I'm think Interstellar probably shot in I'm think Interstellar probably shot in Iceland. So Iceland. So Iceland. So yeah, so I'm sure all of those films, yeah, so I'm sure all of those films, yeah, so I'm sure all of those films, you know, cuz you could do you could do you know, cuz you could do you could do you know, cuz you could do you could do Mars, you could do Venus all in you Mars, you could do Venus all in you Mars, you could do Venus all in you know, in Iceland. I would love to go.

51:20know, in Iceland. I would love to go. know, in Iceland. I would love to go. I don't know we were thinking about I don't know we were thinking about I don't know we were thinking about doing some climbing and I'm not sure doing some climbing and I'm not sure doing some climbing and I'm not sure about how I feel about about how I feel about about how I feel about glaciers and walking across them and glaciers and walking across them and glaciers and walking across them and just falling and never being found. just falling and never being found. just falling and never being found. Yeah, we we walked across them and Yeah, we we walked across them and

51:33Yeah, we we walked across them and obviously there were teams there obviously there were teams there obviously there were teams there but and then they had an expert and they but and then they had an expert and they but and then they had an expert and they went down into the glacier like they went down into the glacier like they went down into the glacier like they went into one like and it was and it was went into one like and it was and it was went into one like and it was and it was really scary because while we were really scary because while we were really scary because while we were walking on the glacier and we've got the walking on the glacier and we've got the

51:43walking on the glacier and we've got the I forgot what those little boots are I forgot what those little boots are I forgot what those little boots are called the ones with the kind of like called the ones with the kind of like called the ones with the kind of like The little prongs. The little prongs. The little prongs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot what Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot what Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot what they're called, but anyway, we had those they're called, but anyway, we had those they're called, but anyway, we had those on and uh Crampons. Crampons. Crampons. on and uh Crampons. Crampons. Crampons.

51:52on and uh Crampons. Crampons. Crampons. Crampons, crampons, okay, crampons. Crampons, crampons, okay, crampons. Crampons, crampons, okay, crampons. Thank you for that, Jack. And so, we Thank you for that, Jack. And so, we Thank you for that, Jack. And so, we were wearing these crampons and and were wearing these crampons and and were wearing these crampons and and literally it was like three steps literally it was like three steps literally it was like three steps further and you you would have fallen further and you you would have fallen further and you you would have fallen and you don't see it. and you don't see it. and you don't see it. And you would never be found.

52:02And you would never be found. And you would never be found. you would never be found. You would you would never be found. You would you would never be found. You would never know and it would be like that never know and it would be like that never know and it would be like that movie, what's it, 126 Hours? Where the movie, what's it, 126 Hours? Where the movie, what's it, 126 Hours? Where the guy had to saw off his own arms. guy had to saw off his own arms. guy had to saw off his own arms. 126 Hours, mate, in 10 minutes the ice 126 Hours, mate, in 10 minutes the ice 126 Hours, mate, in 10 minutes the ice would just would just would just Yeah, no, I That's a bit too far for me.

52:15Yeah, no, I That's a bit too far for me. Yeah, no, I That's a bit too far for me. Well, if you went with a group of, you Well, if you went with a group of, you Well, if you went with a group of, you know, experts and all the rest of it, I know, experts and all the rest of it, I know, experts and all the rest of it, I think Yeah, but you've seen the think Yeah, but you've seen the think Yeah, but you've seen the documentary. Sometimes the experts go documentary. Sometimes the experts go documentary. Sometimes the experts go out and it's a one it's a one-way story. out and it's a one it's a one-way story. out and it's a one it's a one-way story. They don't ever come back, you know?

52:24They don't ever come back, you know? They don't ever come back, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you got you got to Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you got you got to Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you got you got to be careful. I agree. I agree. I'll show be careful. I agree. I agree. I'll show be careful. I agree. I agree. I'll show you some videos later then because it you some videos later then because it you some videos later then because it was pretty was pretty was pretty love to. Yeah, please. It was pretty love to. Yeah, please. It was pretty love to. Yeah, please. It was pretty spectacular. It was really amazing. No, spectacular. It was really amazing. No,

52:32spectacular. It was really amazing. No, I I love I love that with your journey I I love I love that with your journey I I love I love that with your journey with Sub Zero and again, the other thing with Sub Zero and again, the other thing with Sub Zero and again, the other thing we were talking about this earlier, we were talking about this earlier, we were talking about this earlier, going back to it was you going back to it was you going back to it was you decided to take a break from acting decided to take a break from acting decided to take a break from acting Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. because you were doing this role, it it because you were doing this role, it it

52:46because you were doing this role, it it was really tough and challenging was really tough and challenging was really tough and challenging Mhm. and and you were like you need some Mhm. and and you were like you need some Mhm. and and you were like you need some time and again, you were saying that time and again, you were saying that time and again, you were saying that that was misconstrued. And I just before that was misconstrued. And I just before that was misconstrued. And I just before we dive into why you needed to take a we dive into why you needed to take a we dive into why you needed to take a break and and what was challenging about break and and what was challenging about

52:56break and and what was challenging about it, I just wanted to just if you wanted it, I just wanted to just if you wanted it, I just wanted to just if you wanted to give context to that and you don't to give context to that and you don't to give context to that and you don't have to, but if you wanted to just have to, but if you wanted to just have to, but if you wanted to just to clarify to clarify to clarify what you meant and what was going on what you meant and what was going on what you meant and what was going on there. It's only a break from acting there. It's only a break from acting there. It's only a break from acting because I'm an actor. Yeah. It's not

53:08because I'm an actor. Yeah. It's not because I'm an actor. Yeah. It's not like the acting itself. I just have been like the acting itself. I just have been like the acting itself. I just have been so lucky that in my life I've been so lucky that in my life I've been so lucky that in my life I've been working so much. I just wanted to take a working so much. I just wanted to take a working so much. I just wanted to take a break. I just wanted to be in one place break. I just wanted to be in one place break. I just wanted to be in one place for a while. I wanted to be with my for a while. I wanted to be with my for a while. I wanted to be with my friends, be with my family, move into my

53:20friends, be with my family, move into my friends, be with my family, move into my house. house. house. So, it wasn't necessarily So, it wasn't necessarily So, it wasn't necessarily oh my god, I need to have a break from oh my god, I need to have a break from oh my god, I need to have a break from acting cuz it's too much. I just needed acting cuz it's too much. I just needed acting cuz it's too much. I just needed to have a break from traveling and and to have a break from traveling and and to have a break from traveling and and working and and also, I've done so much working and and also, I've done so much working and and also, I've done so much of my growing up on the road. I needed

53:35of my growing up on the road. I needed of my growing up on the road. I needed to do a lot of growing up at home. to do a lot of growing up at home. to do a lot of growing up at home. Paying my water bill, paying my Paying my water bill, paying my Paying my water bill, paying my council tax and sorting out my bins and council tax and sorting out my bins and council tax and sorting out my bins and all that sort of stuff that they don't all that sort of stuff that they don't all that sort of stuff that they don't teach you at school, which I think there teach you at school, which I think there teach you at school, which I think there should be a lesson. I think there should

53:46should be a lesson. I think there should should be a lesson. I think there should be a lesson at school that's called be a lesson at school that's called be a lesson at school that's called life. life. life. Which is like laundry, basic cooking, Which is like laundry, basic cooking, Which is like laundry, basic cooking, like like like I didn't realize you have to pay for I didn't realize you have to pay for I didn't realize you have to pay for your water. I just thought that was a your water. I just thought that was a your water. I just thought that was a luxury of living in England. That water luxury of living in England. That water

53:56luxury of living in England. That water comes out the sky, and then it comes out comes out the sky, and then it comes out comes out the sky, and then it comes out your tap. I'm so behind on my water your tap. I'm so behind on my water your tap. I'm so behind on my water bill. I didn't realize. bill. I didn't realize. bill. I didn't realize. I'm up to date now, don't worry. I'm up to date now, don't worry. I'm up to date now, don't worry. So, yeah, I just wanted to take this So, yeah, I just wanted to take this So, yeah, I just wanted to take this break, and it's a shame again talking break, and it's a shame again talking

54:06break, and it's a shame again talking about the press and how they can spin about the press and how they can spin about the press and how they can spin things. It's a shame that this year off things. It's a shame that this year off things. It's a shame that this year off has come after this incredibly hard job, has come after this incredibly hard job, has come after this incredibly hard job, and that they kind of ran with this idea and that they kind of ran with this idea and that they kind of ran with this idea that yes, the show did break me, and that yes, the show did break me, and that yes, the show did break me, and yes, it was difficult, but I could have

54:18yes, it was difficult, but I could have yes, it was difficult, but I could have gone back to work. I was always planning gone back to work. I was always planning gone back to work. I was always planning on taking this break after this job. So, on taking this break after this job. So, on taking this break after this job. So, thank you for giving me the time to sort thank you for giving me the time to sort thank you for giving me the time to sort of clarify that. I am loving having time of clarify that. I am loving having time of clarify that. I am loving having time off, and going back to work is off, and going back to work is

54:29off, and going back to work is something that isn't really on my radar something that isn't really on my radar something that isn't really on my radar yet. I'm just loving being with my yet. I'm just loving being with my yet. I'm just loving being with my family and my friends, and and enjoying, family and my friends, and and enjoying, family and my friends, and and enjoying, you know, the fruits of my labor a you know, the fruits of my labor a you know, the fruits of my labor a little bit, and and traveling and seeing little bit, and and traveling and seeing little bit, and and traveling and seeing the world. the world. the world. Cuz, you know, we get to see the world

54:41Cuz, you know, we get to see the world Cuz, you know, we get to see the world for work, for work, for work, but it's different. but it's different. but it's different. Yeah. You know, going off of your own Yeah. You know, going off of your own Yeah. You know, going off of your own accord and and and seeing these places accord and and and seeing these places accord and and and seeing these places and meeting people is is what I love. and meeting people is is what I love. and meeting people is is what I love. I'm very social, I'm very social, I'm very social, which is one of the things I found so which is one of the things I found so

54:51which is one of the things I found so difficult about giving up alcohol is difficult about giving up alcohol is difficult about giving up alcohol is because I was like, that's my key to my because I was like, that's my key to my because I was like, that's my key to my social life. And then I realized, I was social life. And then I realized, I was social life. And then I realized, I was like, no, you're just actually like, no, you're just actually like, no, you're just actually naturally a really social person. The naturally a really social person. The naturally a really social person. The alcohol is a just an additive to that. alcohol is a just an additive to that.

55:02alcohol is a just an additive to that. Yeah. So, get rid of it. So, yeah, so my Yeah. So, get rid of it. So, yeah, so my Yeah. So, get rid of it. So, yeah, so my my my year off has been amazing. I'm my my year off has been amazing. I'm my my year off has been amazing. I'm loving it. I'm six months, seven months loving it. I'm six months, seven months loving it. I'm six months, seven months into it now. I have a job to go to, but into it now. I have a job to go to, but into it now. I have a job to go to, but you know, obviously we're going through you know, obviously we're going through you know, obviously we're going through this writer's strike right now. We're

55:15this writer's strike right now. We're this writer's strike right now. We're unsure as to where we are. Um I'm hoping unsure as to where we are. Um I'm hoping unsure as to where we are. Um I'm hoping that, you know, the writers can make a that, you know, the writers can make a that, you know, the writers can make a deal and we'll be looked after as they deal and we'll be looked after as they deal and we'll be looked after as they should be, because it'd be great to get should be, because it'd be great to get should be, because it'd be great to get back to work, but I'm in no rush. I'm back to work, but I'm in no rush. I'm back to work, but I'm in no rush. I'm really loving some time at home.

55:26really loving some time at home. really loving some time at home. Yeah, cuz how old are you now? 27. Yeah, Yeah, cuz how old are you now? 27. Yeah, Yeah, cuz how old are you now? 27. Yeah, and so if you've been working since you and so if you've been working since you and so if you've been working since you were nine, or at least, you know, later were nine, or at least, you know, later were nine, or at least, you know, later on into your teens, I think I mean, on into your teens, I think I mean, on into your teens, I think I mean, people forget that. And I I coach people forget that. And I I coach people forget that. And I I coach personally a a of musicians and who go

55:36personally a a of musicians and who go personally a a of musicians and who go on tour a lot. on tour a lot. on tour a lot. Sure. And I just finished a 40-city Sure. And I just finished a 40-city Sure. And I just finished a 40-city world tour for my second book. And we world tour for my second book. And we world tour for my second book. And we did like 40 cities maybe in like 75, 80 did like 40 cities maybe in like 75, 80 did like 40 cities maybe in like 75, 80 days maybe. Like it was intense. We went days maybe. Like it was intense. We went days maybe. Like it was intense. We went all over the world. So we did like all over the world. So we did like

55:48all over the world. So we did like I've never done anything like that. I've never done anything like that. I've never done anything like that. Yeah. Did 15 cities in the US and then Yeah. Did 15 cities in the US and then Yeah. Did 15 cities in the US and then 25 cities around the world. Wow. 25 cities around the world. Wow. 25 cities around the world. Wow. And so we did everywhere from Paris, And so we did everywhere from Paris, And so we did everywhere from Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, Melbourne. We did Amsterdam, Berlin, Melbourne. We did Amsterdam, Berlin, Melbourne. We did three shows at the Sydney Opera House, three shows at the Sydney Opera House,

56:00three shows at the Sydney Opera House, Brisbane. Did Singapore. Did five shows Brisbane. Did Singapore. Did five shows Brisbane. Did Singapore. Did five shows in India. Did Dubai. in India. Did Dubai. in India. Did Dubai. Wow. But it was And it was amazing. I Wow. But it was And it was amazing. I Wow. But it was And it was amazing. I had one of the best experiences of my had one of the best experiences of my had one of the best experiences of my life. At the same time life. At the same time life. At the same time I was reflecting on I was reflecting on I was reflecting on my music clients who have to do 100, 150 my music clients who have to do 100, 150

56:13my music clients who have to do 100, 150 shows. shows. shows. Mhm. A lot of them pull out of doing Mhm. A lot of them pull out of doing Mhm. A lot of them pull out of doing their tours. A lot of them announce, their tours. A lot of them announce, their tours. A lot of them announce, kind of like you're saying I took a kind of like you're saying I took a kind of like you're saying I took a break. A lot of them will announce and break. A lot of them will announce and break. A lot of them will announce and say, you know what guys, I can't I can't say, you know what guys, I can't I can't say, you know what guys, I can't I can't finish. I can't do it anymore. finish. I can't do it anymore.

56:24finish. I can't do it anymore. And it's really interesting because I And it's really interesting because I And it's really interesting because I messaged some of them straight away messaged some of them straight away messaged some of them straight away saying, I always could understand why saying, I always could understand why saying, I always could understand why you needed that. Now I actually have you needed that. Now I actually have you needed that. Now I actually have actual empathy for you because now I'm actual empathy for you because now I'm actual empathy for you because now I'm on the road. And I can see how on the road. And I can see how

56:36on the road. And I can see how displacing it is. Sure. And I'm older displacing it is. Sure. And I'm older displacing it is. Sure. And I'm older and I have a certain set of skills that and I have a certain set of skills that and I have a certain set of skills that help me with that based on my monk life help me with that based on my monk life help me with that based on my monk life and all the rest of it. But I got I can and all the rest of it. But I got I can and all the rest of it. But I got I can imagine if you've been touring since you imagine if you've been touring since you imagine if you've been touring since you were 15 years old, which is what a lot

56:48were 15 years old, which is what a lot were 15 years old, which is what a lot of these artists have done. of these artists have done. of these artists have done. Yeah. You've like you just said, you Yeah. You've like you just said, you Yeah. You've like you just said, you grow up on the road. grow up on the road. grow up on the road. Sure. And then all of a sudden you're Sure. And then all of a sudden you're Sure. And then all of a sudden you're like, well, who am I and who are my like, well, who am I and who are my like, well, who am I and who are my friends and and what is my life? And now friends and and what is my life? And now

56:58friends and and what is my life? And now everyone that I pay is my friend and everyone that I pay is my friend and everyone that I pay is my friend and that's the only friends I have. And you that's the only friends I have. And you that's the only friends I have. And you know, and so it's really interesting how know, and so it's really interesting how know, and so it's really interesting how when you get a little glimpse into when you get a little glimpse into when you get a little glimpse into someone's life. And then on my the last someone's life. And then on my the last someone's life. And then on my the last show I had was in Barcelona. I know show I had was in Barcelona. I know

57:09show I had was in Barcelona. I know Barcelona. Yeah, it was amazing. And the Barcelona. Yeah, it was amazing. And the Barcelona. Yeah, it was amazing. And the night before my last show, Live Nation night before my last show, Live Nation night before my last show, Live Nation who was doing my show there, they also who was doing my show there, they also who was doing my show there, they also do uh Coldplay's tour. And they were do uh Coldplay's tour. And they were do uh Coldplay's tour. And they were like, do you want to come to Coldplay like, do you want to come to Coldplay like, do you want to come to Coldplay watch Coldplay? I was like, I'd love to watch Coldplay? I was like, I'd love to

57:19watch Coldplay? I was like, I'd love to watch Coldplay. So I went the night watch Coldplay. So I went the night watch Coldplay. So I went the night before to watch Coldplay. It was before to watch Coldplay. It was before to watch Coldplay. It was unbelievable. They did four sold-out unbelievable. They did four sold-out unbelievable. They did four sold-out shows of 65,000 people each night in shows of 65,000 people each night in shows of 65,000 people each night in Barcelona. And Chris I went to watch the Barcelona. And Chris I went to watch the Barcelona. And Chris I went to watch the fourth night and Chris Martin and the fourth night and Chris Martin and the

57:29fourth night and Chris Martin and the crew were just unbelievable. crew were just unbelievable. crew were just unbelievable. Yeah. And then I found out it was their Yeah. And then I found out it was their Yeah. And then I found out it was their 89th show. And I was thinking, gosh, 89th show. And I was thinking, gosh, 89th show. And I was thinking, gosh, like it is so hard. Like it's just so like it is so hard. Like it's just so like it is so hard. Like it's just so hard and all their families are with hard and all their families are with hard and all their families are with them and traveling with them and all the them and traveling with them and all the

57:41them and traveling with them and all the rest of it. And so, I want to touch on rest of it. And so, I want to touch on rest of it. And so, I want to touch on that with you as well that walk us that with you as well that walk us that with you as well that walk us through because through because through because I've talked about this with actors I've talked about this with actors I've talked about this with actors offline and I don't think I've fully offline and I don't think I've fully offline and I don't think I've fully done it online. And so, if you're done it online. And so, if you're done it online. And so, if you're willing to go there, I'd really willing to go there, I'd really

57:53willing to go there, I'd really appreciate it. When you're playing a appreciate it. When you're playing a appreciate it. When you're playing a role, I think as a viewer we massively role, I think as a viewer we massively role, I think as a viewer we massively underestimate underestimate underestimate how hard acting is, especially when the how hard acting is, especially when the how hard acting is, especially when the role is the kind of role that you're role is the kind of role that you're role is the kind of role that you're playing in The Crowded Room. playing in The Crowded Room. playing in The Crowded Room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we just underestimate as a

58:07I think we just underestimate as a I think we just underestimate as a viewer and I'm fortunate enough to know viewer and I'm fortunate enough to know viewer and I'm fortunate enough to know enough actors offline where I've had enough actors offline where I've had enough actors offline where I've had these conversations before, whether these conversations before, whether these conversations before, whether whether it's people who do method acting whether it's people who do method acting whether it's people who do method acting or whether it's people who you know, or whether it's people who you know, or whether it's people who you know, really try and get into character. Like

58:17really try and get into character. Like really try and get into character. Like you always hear about the stories of you always hear about the stories of you always hear about the stories of like how Jared Leto, when he was like how Jared Leto, when he was like how Jared Leto, when he was becoming the Joker, was sending people becoming the Joker, was sending people becoming the Joker, was sending people rats and human feces in their mail. Like rats and human feces in their mail. Like rats and human feces in their mail. Like literally live rats. literally live rats. literally live rats. if you send me human feces in my mail, if you send me human feces in my mail,

58:27if you send me human feces in my mail, there'll be trouble. there'll be trouble. there'll be trouble. I wouldn't be putting up with that. I wouldn't be putting up with that. I wouldn't be putting up with that. Yeah, you you and Jared Leto in a boxing Yeah, you you and Jared Leto in a boxing Yeah, you you and Jared Leto in a boxing match. match. match. be a boxing movie then. be a boxing movie then. be a boxing movie then. But but you know, that idea of like I But but you know, that idea of like I But but you know, that idea of like I think I think as viewers we don't It's think I think as viewers we don't It's think I think as viewers we don't It's what I'm saying is like when I went on

58:39what I'm saying is like when I went on what I'm saying is like when I went on tour, I was like, I get it. I get it tour, I was like, I get it. I get it tour, I was like, I get it. I get it now. As viewers, we don't get it because now. As viewers, we don't get it because now. As viewers, we don't get it because we don't really hear about the deep we don't really hear about the deep we don't really hear about the deep process that actors go through of process that actors go through of process that actors go through of getting into a role, playing someone getting into a role, playing someone getting into a role, playing someone with with with multiple personalities. Like you know,

58:53multiple personalities. Like you know, multiple personalities. Like you know, that I don't know. It is that Is that that I don't know. It is that Is that that I don't know. It is that Is that tough or is it actually Or is that not tough or is it actually Or is that not tough or is it actually Or is that not as Am I getting it wrong and that's not as Am I getting it wrong and that's not as Am I getting it wrong and that's not actually the tough part? actually the tough part? actually the tough part? You're definitely not getting it wrong. You're definitely not getting it wrong. You're definitely not getting it wrong. I think it's just different. It's I think it's just different. It's

59:01I think it's just different. It's case-by-case, you know? There are people case-by-case, you know? There are people case-by-case, you know? There are people like Jared who who dive into their roles like Jared who who dive into their roles like Jared who who dive into their roles and they do things like sending people and they do things like sending people and they do things like sending people dead rats and stuff like that. And they dead rats and stuff like that. And they dead rats and stuff like that. And they think that that's what they need to do. think that that's what they need to do. think that that's what they need to do. I've always been really good at I've always been really good at

59:12I've always been really good at separating my onset emotions from my separating my onset emotions from my separating my onset emotions from my personal life emotions. personal life emotions. personal life emotions. As a young kid, I used to really heavily As a young kid, I used to really heavily As a young kid, I used to really heavily rely on my personal emotions to get them rely on my personal emotions to get them rely on my personal emotions to get them to come across on screen. And And just to come across on screen. And And just to come across on screen. And And just found it really unhealthy. I just found found it really unhealthy. I just found

59:27found it really unhealthy. I just found that like the line between my life and that like the line between my life and that like the line between my life and my character's life would be blurred. my character's life would be blurred. my character's life would be blurred. And ultimately at the end of the And ultimately at the end of the And ultimately at the end of the experience of making the film, I would experience of making the film, I would experience of making the film, I would be a very different person, but not be a very different person, but not be a very different person, but not because of my experiences as Tom, it because of my experiences as Tom, it

59:39because of my experiences as Tom, it would be because of my experiences as my would be because of my experiences as my would be because of my experiences as my character. character. character. So I decided very early on to So I decided very early on to So I decided very early on to find certain techniques and certain ways find certain techniques and certain ways find certain techniques and certain ways to get into those emotions from a sort to get into those emotions from a sort to get into those emotions from a sort of technical point of view. I never sit of technical point of view. I never sit of technical point of view. I never sit on set and think about my my mom getting

59:55on set and think about my my mom getting on set and think about my my mom getting sick or my or never speaking to my sick or my or never speaking to my sick or my or never speaking to my brothers again or something like that. I brothers again or something like that. I brothers again or something like that. I never blur the lines with my personal never blur the lines with my personal never blur the lines with my personal life and my work life. I always leave life and my work life. I always leave life and my work life. I always leave work at work. There are jobs like The work at work. There are jobs like The work at work. There are jobs like The Crowded Room that are particularly

01:00:07Crowded Room that are particularly Crowded Room that are particularly taxing. Getting to those emotions on a taxing. Getting to those emotions on a taxing. Getting to those emotions on a daily basis is really difficult and daily basis is really difficult and daily basis is really difficult and really tiring. really tiring. really tiring. But, you know, it's probably somewhat But, you know, it's probably somewhat But, you know, it's probably somewhat like Coldplay on their 80th night show. like Coldplay on their 80th night show. like Coldplay on their 80th night show. You just dig your heels in, you realize You just dig your heels in, you realize

01:00:19You just dig your heels in, you realize you've got a job to do. We're all you've got a job to do. We're all you've got a job to do. We're all wonderfully well-paid. There are people wonderfully well-paid. There are people wonderfully well-paid. There are people that work far harder for far less. I that work far harder for far less. I that work far harder for far less. I recognize how lucky I am, so I'm like, recognize how lucky I am, so I'm like, recognize how lucky I am, so I'm like, if I need to cry today and tomorrow and if I need to cry today and tomorrow and if I need to cry today and tomorrow and the next 50 days in a row, I'll do so. the next 50 days in a row, I'll do so.

01:00:31the next 50 days in a row, I'll do so. Yes, it's difficult, but Yes, it's difficult, but Yes, it's difficult, but I think your question, I'm probably the I think your question, I'm probably the I think your question, I'm probably the worst person to ask that cuz I think I worst person to ask that cuz I think I worst person to ask that cuz I think I have like a really healthy have like a really healthy have like a really healthy outlook on how I achieve my emotions on outlook on how I achieve my emotions on outlook on how I achieve my emotions on set. Yeah. Um but I have worked with set. Yeah. Um but I have worked with set. Yeah. Um but I have worked with people that people that

01:00:46people that shut their bedroom door and just dive shut their bedroom door and just dive shut their bedroom door and just dive into the character and are pouring into the character and are pouring into the character and are pouring through the script every night and and through the script every night and and through the script every night and and are in character all the time and I are in character all the time and I are in character all the time and I admire them. I don't necessarily think admire them. I don't necessarily think admire them. I don't necessarily think it's the healthiest way to go about it. it's the healthiest way to go about it.

01:00:57it's the healthiest way to go about it. But yeah, I've always been really strict But yeah, I've always been really strict But yeah, I've always been really strict on myself to leave my work at work. on myself to leave my work at work. on myself to leave my work at work. Obviously, I come home and read the Obviously, I come home and read the Obviously, I come home and read the script and do all of my prep work, but script and do all of my prep work, but script and do all of my prep work, but I'm not I'm leaving the character at I'm not I'm leaving the character at I'm not I'm leaving the character at work because it's too it's too much. work because it's too it's too much.

01:01:08work because it's too it's too much. Especially when you're playing a Especially when you're playing a Especially when you're playing a character like like Danny from The character like like Danny from The character like like Danny from The Crowded Room, like you can't bring that Crowded Room, like you can't bring that Crowded Room, like you can't bring that into your personal life. into your personal life. into your personal life. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that but I'm actually glad I asked it to that but I'm actually glad I asked it to that but I'm actually glad I asked it to you the way because what I'm actually

01:01:19you the way because what I'm actually you the way because what I'm actually hearing is you did it early on and you hearing is you did it early on and you hearing is you did it early on and you saw it wasn't healthy. Sure. And so you saw it wasn't healthy. Sure. And so you saw it wasn't healthy. Sure. And so you actually found another way. Yeah. And actually found another way. Yeah. And actually found another way. Yeah. And and it's really interesting because a and it's really interesting because a and it's really interesting because a lot of people may not have found another lot of people may not have found another lot of people may not have found another way or that is their way and that is

01:01:32way or that is their way and that is way or that is their way and that is their method. And so it actually is their method. And so it actually is their method. And so it actually is interesting hearing it from your interesting hearing it from your interesting hearing it from your perspective because you're actually perspective because you're actually perspective because you're actually saying, "Yeah, I could have gone down saying, "Yeah, I could have gone down saying, "Yeah, I could have gone down that road. I could see the dangers with that road. I could see the dangers with that road. I could see the dangers with it." it." it." Right. And and obviously it depends on

01:01:43Right. And and obviously it depends on Right. And and obviously it depends on the roles, too. Sorry, you were going to the roles, too. Sorry, you were going to the roles, too. Sorry, you were going to say No, it's just it was my acting say No, it's just it was my acting say No, it's just it was my acting coach, Ben Perkins was my acting coach coach, Ben Perkins was my acting coach coach, Ben Perkins was my acting coach on my first film. on my first film. on my first film. And that film was really, really And that film was really, really And that film was really, really emotionally intense. And we started off emotionally intense. And we started off

01:01:53emotionally intense. And we started off by doing things like, "Can you imagine, by doing things like, "Can you imagine, by doing things like, "Can you imagine, you know, your mom passing?" Or can you you know, your mom passing?" Or can you you know, your mom passing?" Or can you imagine things like that? And I would imagine things like that? And I would imagine things like that? And I would cry instantly. Yeah. And he was the one cry instantly. Yeah. And he was the one cry instantly. Yeah. And he was the one that actually recognized at a point, that actually recognized at a point, that actually recognized at a point, "This is too much for this young kid to

01:02:05"This is too much for this young kid to "This is too much for this young kid to kind of take." So he devised these kind of take." So he devised these kind of take." So he devised these exercises where him and I could kind of exercises where him and I could kind of exercises where him and I could kind of have have have these fake arguments where I was as a these fake arguments where I was as a these fake arguments where I was as a 12-year-old, oh, maybe I was older than 12-year-old, oh, maybe I was older than 12-year-old, oh, maybe I was older than that, 13-year-old could recognize that that, 13-year-old could recognize that

01:02:17that, 13-year-old could recognize that they were exercises and I would allow they were exercises and I would allow they were exercises and I would allow the emotion to kind of come from these the emotion to kind of come from these the emotion to kind of come from these kind of acting kind of acting kind of acting techniques, let's call it. So it was techniques, let's call it. So it was techniques, let's call it. So it was actually Ben that was the one that actually Ben that was the one that actually Ben that was the one that switched my switched my switched my my mindset. I can't take credit for my mindset. I can't take credit for my mindset. I can't take credit for that. that.

01:02:30that. Yeah. So you you live in LA? Yeah, so I Yeah. So you you live in LA? Yeah, so I Yeah. So you you live in LA? Yeah, so I moved to moved to moved to LA 5 years ago. Yeah. LA 5 years ago. Yeah. LA 5 years ago. Yeah. moved to the States 7 years ago. So I moved to the States 7 years ago. So I moved to the States 7 years ago. So I was in New York for the first two. was in New York for the first two. was in New York for the first two. Whereabouts in New York were you? I was Whereabouts in New York were you? I was Whereabouts in New York were you? I was on 23rd Street near Flatiron. Okay, on 23rd Street near Flatiron. Okay, on 23rd Street near Flatiron. Okay, nice. So yeah, it was good in in

01:02:46nice. So yeah, it was good in in nice. So yeah, it was good in in Manhattan. And moved with my wife. We've Manhattan. And moved with my wife. We've Manhattan. And moved with my wife. We've been married for 7 years. been married for 7 years. been married for 7 years. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Together for 10. Fantastic. Together for 10. Fantastic. Together for 10. Fantastic. And And And yeah, it's just been really interesting, yeah, it's just been really interesting, yeah, it's just been really interesting, mate. It's like, did you ever end up mate. It's like, did you ever end up mate. It's like, did you ever end up moving? Did you ever live in LA at all

01:02:57moving? Did you ever live in LA at all moving? Did you ever live in LA at all or in the US at all or have you always or in the US at all or have you always or in the US at all or have you always been in London? Sort of what we were been in London? Sort of what we were been in London? Sort of what we were talking about earlier, I've kind of talking about earlier, I've kind of talking about earlier, I've kind of lived all over the place. I've lived in lived all over the place. I've lived in lived all over the place. I've lived in LA, I've lived in New York, I've lived LA, I've lived in New York, I've lived LA, I've lived in New York, I've lived in Atlanta, you know, I've lived in

01:03:06in Atlanta, you know, I've lived in in Atlanta, you know, I've lived in Cleveland, which was amazing. Um so I Cleveland, which was amazing. Um so I Cleveland, which was amazing. Um so I I really like spending time in the I really like spending time in the I really like spending time in the States. States. States. Yeah. We just obviously created a room, Yeah. We just obviously created a room, Yeah. We just obviously created a room, we did a year in New York. we did a year in New York. we did a year in New York. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We moved to Tribeca, we started off in We moved to Tribeca, we started off in We moved to Tribeca, we started off in Midtown. And Midtown for me was a bit of

01:03:19Midtown. And Midtown for me was a bit of Midtown. And Midtown for me was a bit of a nightmare. It's where all the schools a nightmare. It's where all the schools a nightmare. It's where all the schools are. So, I'd come home from work and I'd are. So, I'd come home from work and I'd are. So, I'd come home from work and I'd come outside and it's like all the come outside and it's like all the come outside and it's like all the biggest Spider-Man fans you've ever seen biggest Spider-Man fans you've ever seen biggest Spider-Man fans you've ever seen in your life. in your life. in your life. Yeah, it's like the worst panic in the Yeah, it's like the worst panic in the

01:03:28Yeah, it's like the worst panic in the world. world. world. We moved out to TriBeCa to this We moved out to TriBeCa to this We moved out to TriBeCa to this amazing apartment which was really amazing apartment which was really amazing apartment which was really lovely. We were very lucky to be down lovely. We were very lucky to be down lovely. We were very lucky to be down there. But, um there. But, um there. But, um But, where So, how do you find LA? I So, But, where So, how do you find LA? I So, But, where So, how do you find LA? I So, you know what? It's really interesting you know what? It's really interesting you know what? It's really interesting because when I I moved to New York first

01:03:42because when I I moved to New York first because when I I moved to New York first Yeah. and I loved it. I found New York Yeah. and I loved it. I found New York Yeah. and I loved it. I found New York to be just a bigger, crazier London. to be just a bigger, crazier London. to be just a bigger, crazier London. Sure. Sure. Sure. more intense. more intense. more intense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and I love London. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and I love London. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and I love London. I'm a I'm a London boy through and I'm a I'm a London boy through and I'm a I'm a London boy through and through. I went to university here. My through. I went to university here. My

01:03:53through. I went to university here. My My family's still here. Mhm. My wife's My family's still here. Mhm. My wife's My family's still here. Mhm. My wife's family's here. Everyone's amazing. And family's here. Everyone's amazing. And family's here. Everyone's amazing. And so, but but I enjoyed New York. My wife so, but but I enjoyed New York. My wife so, but but I enjoyed New York. My wife didn't love New York. And didn't love New York. And didn't love New York. And also at the same time I I started also at the same time I I started also at the same time I I started spending more time in LA for work. And spending more time in LA for work. And

01:04:06spending more time in LA for work. And my wife and I just like fell more in my wife and I just like fell more in my wife and I just like fell more in love with each other when we were there. love with each other when we were there. love with each other when we were there. And so, that's what it was that drew us And so, that's what it was that drew us And so, that's what it was that drew us there. It wasn't really Everyone's there. It wasn't really Everyone's there. It wasn't really Everyone's always like, "Oh, was it career?" I was always like, "Oh, was it career?" I was always like, "Oh, was it career?" I was like, like, like, to be honest, we went there for a month

01:04:16to be honest, we went there for a month to be honest, we went there for a month for work. And we rented an apartment for work. And we rented an apartment for work. And we rented an apartment because we're going to be there for a because we're going to be there for a because we're going to be there for a month. month. month. Mhm. And we're living together there and Mhm. And we're living together there and Mhm. And we're living together there and we just loved living with each other we just loved living with each other we just loved living with each other there. Home is where the heart is. there. Home is where the heart is. there. Home is where the heart is. really. And so, we were like, "All

01:04:26really. And so, we were like, "All really. And so, we were like, "All right, we love it here. Why don't we right, we love it here. Why don't we right, we love it here. Why don't we pack our bags and move across?" And so, pack our bags and move across?" And so, pack our bags and move across?" And so, we went back to New York 2 months later. we went back to New York 2 months later. we went back to New York 2 months later. We moved over to LA. So, it wasn't even, We moved over to LA. So, it wasn't even, We moved over to LA. So, it wasn't even, you know. And now we've been there for 5 you know. And now we've been there for 5

01:04:35you know. And now we've been there for 5 years. And the truth is that I I was years. And the truth is that I I was years. And the truth is that I I was really intentional really intentional really intentional when I move somewhere. So, while I'm when I move somewhere. So, while I'm when I move somewhere. So, while I'm building my purpose and my work and my building my purpose and my work and my building my purpose and my work and my career, which I absolutely love what I career, which I absolutely love what I career, which I absolutely love what I get to do every day, and get to do every day, and get to do every day, and I I I could never have dreamed of doing

01:04:47I I I could never have dreamed of doing I I I could never have dreamed of doing what I do. I'm super grateful. what I do. I'm super grateful. what I do. I'm super grateful. But, at the same time I was really But, at the same time I was really But, at the same time I was really intentional about building community and intentional about building community and intentional about building community and family. family. family. Mhm. And it was like an actual like Mhm. And it was like an actual like Mhm. And it was like an actual like thought process. Sure. Where I was like, thought process. Sure. Where I was like, thought process. Sure. Where I was like, as well as you're always building the

01:04:58as well as you're always building the as well as you're always building the people you know at work, you're always people you know at work, you're always people you know at work, you're always building relationships, you're hiring building relationships, you're hiring building relationships, you're hiring employees and team members and employees and team members and employees and team members and everything. At the same time I've got to everything. At the same time I've got to everything. At the same time I've got to think about actually making friendships think about actually making friendships think about actually making friendships because in London I got all my mates. I

01:05:08because in London I got all my mates. I because in London I got all my mates. I got the my best man at my wedding. I've got the my best man at my wedding. I've got the my best man at my wedding. I've been mates with Raj for like 17 years. been mates with Raj for like 17 years. been mates with Raj for like 17 years. Like, I've got people around me, but in Like, I've got people around me, but in Like, I've got people around me, but in LA I don't have that. I don't have any LA I don't have that. I don't have any LA I don't have that. I don't have any family, any friends. I don't know family, any friends. I don't know family, any friends. I don't know anyone. And so, I really made an effort.

01:05:18anyone. And so, I really made an effort. anyone. And so, I really made an effort. And now, after 5 years, I can honestly And now, after 5 years, I can honestly And now, after 5 years, I can honestly say, you know, obviously not in a say, you know, obviously not in a say, you know, obviously not in a wonderful way, but the pandemic did help wonderful way, but the pandemic did help wonderful way, but the pandemic did help deepen some of those friendships because deepen some of those friendships because deepen some of those friendships because I was stuck with those people. So, only I was stuck with those people. So, only

01:05:27I was stuck with those people. So, only could go deeper. Made some really good could go deeper. Made some really good could go deeper. Made some really good friends. friends. friends. Nice. And so, I feel happy there, and I Nice. And so, I feel happy there, and I Nice. And so, I feel happy there, and I feel really connected to my purpose feel really connected to my purpose feel really connected to my purpose there. And at the same time, I love there. And at the same time, I love there. And at the same time, I love coming back to London coming back to London coming back to London Right. and hanging out with my mates. Right. and hanging out with my mates.

01:05:39Right. and hanging out with my mates. And so, I And me and my wife made a And so, I And me and my wife made a And so, I And me and my wife made a decision decision decision when we moved that we would never say we when we moved that we would never say we when we moved that we would never say we lived anywhere. We would just lived anywhere. We would just lived anywhere. We would just be allowed to go wherever we wanted to be allowed to go wherever we wanted to be allowed to go wherever we wanted to go. So, whenever my wife misses London, go. So, whenever my wife misses London, go. So, whenever my wife misses London, she's back on a flight to London. She'll

01:05:51she's back on a flight to London. She'll she's back on a flight to London. She'll come live here for 2 months and come come live here for 2 months and come come live here for 2 months and come back whenever she wants. back whenever she wants. back whenever she wants. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. And And it's the same for me. And that And And it's the same for me. And that And And it's the same for me. And that kind of like not having a rule around, kind of like not having a rule around, kind of like not having a rule around, you know, obviously we're lucky to have you know, obviously we're lucky to have you know, obviously we're lucky to have that that that It's an amazing luxury to have.

01:06:01It's an amazing luxury to have. It's an amazing luxury to have. course. Yeah. course. Yeah. course. Yeah. And but yeah, I I I'm I share the same And but yeah, I I I'm I share the same And but yeah, I I I'm I share the same kind of outlook on it, you know. I I kind of outlook on it, you know. I I kind of outlook on it, you know. I I couldn't really say I live anywhere. I couldn't really say I live anywhere. I couldn't really say I live anywhere. I sort of live where the work is, and when sort of live where the work is, and when sort of live where the work is, and when I'm not working, I'm either here or in I'm not working, I'm either here or in

01:06:10I'm not working, I'm either here or in LA. Yeah. And And I'm so lucky to be LA. Yeah. And And I'm so lucky to be LA. Yeah. And And I'm so lucky to be able to sort of call the world my home. able to sort of call the world my home. able to sort of call the world my home. I just go wherever the the wind takes I just go wherever the the wind takes I just go wherever the the wind takes me. I can me. I can me. I can Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But that's Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But that's Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But that's glorious, man. glorious, man. glorious, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, it's been good It's Yeah, man. Yeah, it's been good It's

01:06:20Yeah, man. Yeah, it's been good It's been good for me. It's been good to me. been good for me. It's been good to me. been good for me. It's been good to me. And And I think with because of the work And And I think with because of the work And And I think with because of the work I do, it very clearly lets people know I do, it very clearly lets people know I do, it very clearly lets people know whether I'd connect to them or not. I whether I'd connect to them or not. I whether I'd connect to them or not. I feel like my work is so obviously one feel like my work is so obviously one feel like my work is so obviously one way Sure. that it's very easy cuz not way Sure. that it's very easy cuz not

01:06:33way Sure. that it's very easy cuz not everyone wants this in their life. So, everyone wants this in their life. So, everyone wants this in their life. So, it's kind of easy for people to be like, it's kind of easy for people to be like, it's kind of easy for people to be like, "No, I'm not going to make any effort "No, I'm not going to make any effort "No, I'm not going to make any effort with Jay. Or I'm going to make lots of with Jay. Or I'm going to make lots of with Jay. Or I'm going to make lots of effort with Jay." And so, it kind of effort with Jay." And so, it kind of effort with Jay." And so, it kind of makes it very easy cuz my work is me. Do

01:06:43makes it very easy cuz my work is me. Do makes it very easy cuz my work is me. Do you find because of what you do and your you find because of what you do and your you find because of what you do and your skill set and your experiences and your skill set and your experiences and your skill set and your experiences and your life as a monk that people unload on you life as a monk that people unload on you life as a monk that people unload on you a lot? a lot? a lot? Yes. Like Like you might meet a new Yes. Like Like you might meet a new Yes. Like Like you might meet a new person and they're sort of saying, person and they're sort of saying,

01:06:54person and they're sort of saying, "Well, I'm I'm feeling this way, and I I "Well, I'm I'm feeling this way, and I I "Well, I'm I'm feeling this way, and I I would love to try and get to a place of would love to try and get to a place of would love to try and get to a place of enlightenment." Like, that must happen enlightenment." Like, that must happen enlightenment." Like, that must happen to you a lot. to you a lot. to you a lot. Yes, yeah, a lot. It can It can happen Yes, yeah, a lot. It can It can happen Yes, yeah, a lot. It can It can happen at the train station. It can happen on a at the train station. It can happen on a

01:07:03at the train station. It can happen on a plane. It can happen anywhere in the plane. It can happen anywhere in the plane. It can happen anywhere in the world, yeah. world, yeah. world, yeah. And do you welcome those conversations? And do you welcome those conversations? And do you welcome those conversations? Do you like having those sorts of Do you like having those sorts of Do you like having those sorts of conversations? So I think it depends conversations? So I think it depends conversations? So I think it depends where we are and and it depends who it where we are and and it depends who it where we are and and it depends who it is and I always say to people as a

01:07:14is and I always say to people as a is and I always say to people as a disclaimer that I don't want to give you disclaimer that I don't want to give you disclaimer that I don't want to give you the the the belief belief belief that I can solve your life in 30 seconds that I can solve your life in 30 seconds that I can solve your life in 30 seconds or that I could ever solve your life for or that I could ever solve your life for or that I could ever solve your life for you. you. you. Totally. Just to be really clear that Totally. Just to be really clear that Totally. Just to be really clear that I'm and I always say that to people I'm and I always say that to people

01:07:29I'm and I always say that to people because people are like, "Jay, tell me because people are like, "Jay, tell me because people are like, "Jay, tell me what I need to do." and I'll be like, what I need to do." and I'll be like, what I need to do." and I'll be like, "Look, I just want you to be fully aware "Look, I just want you to be fully aware "Look, I just want you to be fully aware that I'm happy to share some insights that I'm happy to share some insights that I'm happy to share some insights with you with you with you but I don't have the power or gift or but I don't have the power or gift or but I don't have the power or gift or magical ability magical ability

01:07:41magical ability Right, right, right. Right, right, right. Right, right, right. to transform your life and nothing I can to transform your life and nothing I can to transform your life and nothing I can say in 30 seconds. say in 30 seconds. say in 30 seconds. I don't even want to take that I don't even want to take that I don't even want to take that responsibility on because responsibility on because responsibility on because we should really think about this. Like we should really think about this. Like we should really think about this. Like you should reflect on your life. Like you should reflect on your life. Like

01:07:52you should reflect on your life. Like especially when people are making big especially when people are making big especially when people are making big decisions where it's like, "Jay, should decisions where it's like, "Jay, should decisions where it's like, "Jay, should I break up? Should I move country? I break up? Should I move country? I break up? Should I move country? Should I do this?" and I'm like, "We're Should I do this?" and I'm like, "We're Should I do this?" and I'm like, "We're not solving this in 30 seconds." Like not solving this in 30 seconds." Like not solving this in 30 seconds." Like please don't please don't please don't is a bigger conversation.

01:08:00is a bigger conversation. is a bigger conversation. yeah, and and I like people that takes yeah, and and I like people that takes yeah, and and I like people that takes the pressure off me but it also takes the pressure off me but it also takes the pressure off me but it also takes the pressure off them. Yeah. the pressure off them. Yeah. the pressure off them. Yeah. Cuz a lot it's not even about me. This Cuz a lot it's not even about me. This Cuz a lot it's not even about me. This is about the fact that that person needs is about the fact that that person needs is about the fact that that person needs to make a really important decision and to make a really important decision and

01:08:09to make a really important decision and they're putting all the pressure of they're putting all the pressure of they're putting all the pressure of their life on that moment and actually their life on that moment and actually their life on that moment and actually I'm saying, "Well, let's just take it I'm saying, "Well, let's just take it I'm saying, "Well, let's just take it off." and here's a few things I want you off." and here's a few things I want you off." and here's a few things I want you to reflect and think about and I know to reflect and think about and I know to reflect and think about and I know that will help you and you'll figure it that will help you and you'll figure it

01:08:18that will help you and you'll figure it out. And so yeah, I I welcome them out. And so yeah, I I welcome them out. And so yeah, I I welcome them because I appreciate that because I appreciate that because I appreciate that I don't feel that I'm the one holding I don't feel that I'm the one holding I don't feel that I'm the one holding space Mhm. and I don't believe that I'm space Mhm. and I don't believe that I'm space Mhm. and I don't believe that I'm the one who has the power to hold space. the one who has the power to hold space. the one who has the power to hold space. I believe that the universe holds space. I believe that the universe holds space.

01:08:32I believe that the universe holds space. I believe that energetically that space I believe that energetically that space I believe that energetically that space is held is held is held Totally. by others and I don't feel I'm Totally. by others and I don't feel I'm Totally. by others and I don't feel I'm this powerful human being who's this powerful human being who's this powerful human being who's who's the one that everything rests on who's the one that everything rests on who's the one that everything rests on Sure. and has the answer to everything Sure. and has the answer to everything Sure. and has the answer to everything and I think that's what allows me to be

01:08:44and I think that's what allows me to be and I think that's what allows me to be liberated from it where I'm not like I liberated from it where I'm not like I liberated from it where I'm not like I also don't put the pressure on myself also don't put the pressure on myself also don't put the pressure on myself going, "God, I better say the most going, "God, I better say the most going, "God, I better say the most perfect thing to this I better change perfect thing to this I better change perfect thing to this I better change this person's life. life." Yeah, and I this person's life. life." Yeah, and I this person's life. life." Yeah, and I can't and I don't and I and I think once

01:08:55can't and I don't and I and I think once can't and I don't and I and I think once upon a time I probably did feel that upon a time I probably did feel that upon a time I probably did feel that way. Like when you're when you're way. Like when you're when you're way. Like when you're when you're immature and you're an amateur in your immature and you're an amateur in your immature and you're an amateur in your work, you almost feel like you have to work, you almost feel like you have to work, you almost feel like you have to have all the answers, and now I'm like, have all the answers, and now I'm like, have all the answers, and now I'm like, you know what? I don't, and it's fine,

01:09:04you know what? I don't, and it's fine, you know what? I don't, and it's fine, and actually people really appreciate it and actually people really appreciate it and actually people really appreciate it where you just chat to them, and you where you just chat to them, and you where you just chat to them, and you know. And so, yeah, and and again, you know. And so, yeah, and and again, you know. And so, yeah, and and again, you know, I'm I'm always happy to listen to know, I'm I'm always happy to listen to know, I'm I'm always happy to listen to someone when I can. Obviously, there's someone when I can. Obviously, there's

01:09:14someone when I can. Obviously, there's sometimes when I'm like rushing late for sometimes when I'm like rushing late for sometimes when I'm like rushing late for a plane or Yeah, yeah, yeah. trying to a plane or Yeah, yeah, yeah. trying to a plane or Yeah, yeah, yeah. trying to get into a car or whatever, and I can't get into a car or whatever, and I can't get into a car or whatever, and I can't I can't do it. But, I always stop and I can't do it. But, I always stop and I can't do it. But, I always stop and say hello, give someone a hug, and all say hello, give someone a hug, and all say hello, give someone a hug, and all those things. Yeah. So, I don't know if

01:09:24those things. Yeah. So, I don't know if those things. Yeah. So, I don't know if that answers your question, but No, that answers your question, but No, that answers your question, but No, absolutely it does. absolutely it does. absolutely it does. I guess what's what you're saying about I guess what's what you're saying about I guess what's what you're saying about making decisions, something that I am making decisions, something that I am making decisions, something that I am constantly battling with myself is the constantly battling with myself is the constantly battling with myself is the inner battle between my gut and my inner battle between my gut and my

01:09:34inner battle between my gut and my brain. Mhm. I know that sounds really brain. Mhm. I know that sounds really brain. Mhm. I know that sounds really weird. No, it's real. I go with my gut a weird. No, it's real. I go with my gut a weird. No, it's real. I go with my gut a lot. I'm very, very I think a lot of the lot. I'm very, very I think a lot of the lot. I'm very, very I think a lot of the decisions I make in life are very sort decisions I make in life are very sort decisions I make in life are very sort of instinctual. I don't like to be of instinctual. I don't like to be of instinctual. I don't like to be bombarded with bombarded with

01:09:46bombarded with evidence and facts and all that sort of evidence and facts and all that sort of evidence and facts and all that sort of stuff. I just like to feel a certain way stuff. I just like to feel a certain way stuff. I just like to feel a certain way about how about how about how I would like something to sort of I would like something to sort of I would like something to sort of transpire. Can be taking a film, transpire. Can be taking a film, transpire. Can be taking a film, accepting a script, doing a business accepting a script, doing a business accepting a script, doing a business deal, buying a house. Like, it's all deal, buying a house. Like, it's all

01:09:58deal, buying a house. Like, it's all sorts of different things. sorts of different things. sorts of different things. Through your monk life, did you feel Through your monk life, did you feel Through your monk life, did you feel like like like you would rely on your you would rely on your you would rely on your kind of inner instincts rather than like kind of inner instincts rather than like kind of inner instincts rather than like getting the evidence of this is going to getting the evidence of this is going to getting the evidence of this is going to make you this much money, or if you do make you this much money, or if you do

01:10:12make you this much money, or if you do that, these are the risks. How do you that, these are the risks. How do you that, these are the risks. How do you Where do you stand with that sort of Where do you stand with that sort of Where do you stand with that sort of thing? That was the most poorly worded thing? That was the most poorly worded thing? That was the most poorly worded question, but you know what I mean. question, but you know what I mean. question, but you know what I mean. Mate, mate, I think both I think this Mate, mate, I think both I think this Mate, mate, I think both I think this has been such a conversation that that has been such a conversation that that

01:10:23has been such a conversation that that is what a question sounds like in a is what a question sounds like in a is what a question sounds like in a conversation, and and I've I think I've conversation, and and I've I think I've conversation, and and I've I think I've asked you fairly poorly worded questions asked you fairly poorly worded questions asked you fairly poorly worded questions today as well, but I think that's what today as well, but I think that's what today as well, but I think that's what real communication is. Yeah. Yeah, real communication is. Yeah. Yeah, real communication is. Yeah. Yeah, rather than like, mate, I've got rather than like, mate, I've got

01:10:33rather than like, mate, I've got question one. Uh but, no, I I I think I question one. Uh but, no, I I I think I question one. Uh but, no, I I I think I get what you're saying, and if I go on get what you're saying, and if I go on get what you're saying, and if I go on the wrong track, let me know. But, the wrong track, let me know. But, the wrong track, let me know. But, living as a monk, you're trained to living as a monk, you're trained to living as a monk, you're trained to understand that everything exists in a understand that everything exists in a understand that everything exists in a certain mode. And so, I'll explain what certain mode. And so, I'll explain what

01:10:46certain mode. And so, I'll explain what that means. And so, that means. And so, that means. And so, in the monk philosophy, there are three in the monk philosophy, there are three in the monk philosophy, there are three modes. And the modes are the mode of modes. And the modes are the mode of modes. And the modes are the mode of ignorance, the mode of passion, and the ignorance, the mode of passion, and the ignorance, the mode of passion, and the mode of goodness. And it's said that mode of goodness. And it's said that mode of goodness. And it's said that every decision, every thought, every every decision, every thought, every

01:10:58every decision, every thought, every action, every intention, every action, every intention, every action, every intention, every relationship can be in the mode of relationship can be in the mode of relationship can be in the mode of ignorance, mode of passion, or mode of ignorance, mode of passion, or mode of ignorance, mode of passion, or mode of goodness. And the mode of ignorance is goodness. And the mode of ignorance is goodness. And the mode of ignorance is where your relationships or any act is where your relationships or any act is where your relationships or any act is based on insecurity or fear. Okay. based on insecurity or fear. Okay.

01:11:11based on insecurity or fear. Okay. doing something out of fear, or you're doing something out of fear, or you're doing something out of fear, or you're doing it out of insecurity, or you're doing it out of insecurity, or you're doing it out of insecurity, or you're doing it out of pressure, that's doing it out of pressure, that's doing it out of pressure, that's considered the mode of ignorance. And considered the mode of ignorance. And considered the mode of ignorance. And energetically, we all feel that, right? energetically, we all feel that, right? energetically, we all feel that, right? You know whether you You know whether you You know whether you I would know whether you were being

01:11:22I would know whether you were being I would know whether you were being forced to do this interview today Sure. forced to do this interview today Sure. forced to do this interview today Sure. out of out of some sort of fear or some out of out of some sort of fear or some out of out of some sort of fear or some sort of whatever it may be. sort of whatever it may be. sort of whatever it may be. The mode of passion is where you're The mode of passion is where you're The mode of passion is where you're doing something because you want a doing something because you want a doing something because you want a certain result. You're doing it just for certain result. You're doing it just for

01:11:35certain result. You're doing it just for the reward. You're doing it just because the reward. You're doing it just because the reward. You're doing it just because it's going to get what you want you it's going to get what you want you it's going to get what you want you want. It's going to get you to the goal. want. It's going to get you to the goal. want. It's going to get you to the goal. Okay. Okay. Okay. And so, that's considered the mode of And so, that's considered the mode of And so, that's considered the mode of passion. And again, energetically, you passion. And again, energetically, you passion. And again, energetically, you can tell that when someone has an agenda

01:11:45can tell that when someone has an agenda can tell that when someone has an agenda or Right, right, right. or Right, right, right. or Right, right, right. someone wants something out of you. someone wants something out of you. someone wants something out of you. I've come here to get my point across on I've come here to get my point across on I've come here to get my point across on something or right. something or right. something or right. Totally. And then, finally, the mode of Totally. And then, finally, the mode of Totally. And then, finally, the mode of goodness is the energy of like, I feel goodness is the energy of like, I feel goodness is the energy of like, I feel really at peace.

01:11:56really at peace. really at peace. I feel really at ease. This feels I feel really at ease. This feels I feel really at ease. This feels aligned with my values, and therefore it aligned with my values, and therefore it aligned with my values, and therefore it feels like the right decision. And so, feels like the right decision. And so, feels like the right decision. And so, we were trained to sense energetically we were trained to sense energetically we were trained to sense energetically whether things felt like the mode of whether things felt like the mode of whether things felt like the mode of ignorance, mode of passion, or mode of ignorance, mode of passion, or mode of

01:12:08ignorance, mode of passion, or mode of goodness, which was a really helpful goodness, which was a really helpful goodness, which was a really helpful framework because sometimes things were framework because sometimes things were framework because sometimes things were really hard to really hard to really hard to just sense without knowing where it sat just sense without knowing where it sat just sense without knowing where it sat in terms of a characteristic. in terms of a characteristic. in terms of a characteristic. That's so interesting. That's so interesting. That's so interesting. And so, that was really, really helpful And so, that was really, really helpful

01:12:20And so, that was really, really helpful at the time. And so, I find that I'm I'm at the time. And so, I find that I'm I'm at the time. And so, I find that I'm I'm the same as you where I make decisions the same as you where I make decisions the same as you where I make decisions energetically. energetically. energetically. Yeah. But I think having moved into the Yeah. But I think having moved into the Yeah. But I think having moved into the real world again, I felt that I had to real world again, I felt that I had to real world again, I felt that I had to start getting used to understanding start getting used to understanding

01:12:35start getting used to understanding other elements. Kind of what you other elements. Kind of what you other elements. Kind of what you mentioned earlier, which I loved, which mentioned earlier, which I loved, which mentioned earlier, which I loved, which was like, I wish they had a class on was like, I wish they had a class on was like, I wish they had a class on life at school. Because it's like you life at school. Because it's like you life at school. Because it's like you haven't paid your bill, and you know, haven't paid your bill, and you know, haven't paid your bill, and you know, you you know, there's football players you you know, there's football players

01:12:45you you know, there's football players not paying their taxes, or whatever it not paying their taxes, or whatever it not paying their taxes, or whatever it may be, and like uh that may be for may be, and like uh that may be for may be, and like uh that may be for different reasons. But anyway, you get different reasons. But anyway, you get different reasons. But anyway, you get the point that that there's some things the point that that there's some things the point that that there's some things that you just don't know, and so what that you just don't know, and so what that you just don't know, and so what I've started to do, and I've said this a I've started to do, and I've said this a

01:12:55I've started to do, and I've said this a few times, and that's where it's a few times, and that's where it's a few times, and that's where it's a little formula that I use. When I sit little formula that I use. When I sit little formula that I use. When I sit down with someone, whether it's down with someone, whether it's down with someone, whether it's business, whether it's relationships, business, whether it's relationships, business, whether it's relationships, whether it's work, even whether it's whether it's work, even whether it's whether it's work, even whether it's this, the first thing is always energy. this, the first thing is always energy.

01:13:04this, the first thing is always energy. That's my first gate that I that I want That's my first gate that I that I want That's my first gate that I that I want to get through. And if I don't feel to get through. And if I don't feel to get through. And if I don't feel energetically aligned with someone, then energetically aligned with someone, then energetically aligned with someone, then already there's no future here. Like already there's no future here. Like already there's no future here. Like it's not going anywhere. it's not going anywhere. it's not going anywhere. Really, wow. And then the next thing I Really, wow. And then the next thing I

01:13:15Really, wow. And then the next thing I look at is strategically, if it's look at is strategically, if it's look at is strategically, if it's business, so if it's personal, it's only business, so if it's personal, it's only business, so if it's personal, it's only energy. But if it's business, I look at, energy. But if it's business, I look at, energy. But if it's business, I look at, well, I like this person energetically, well, I like this person energetically, well, I like this person energetically, do I think they're strategically aligned do I think they're strategically aligned do I think they're strategically aligned with where this has to go? Like do I

01:13:27with where this has to go? Like do I with where this has to go? Like do I think they can actually implement this? think they can actually implement this? think they can actually implement this? Do I believe because a lot of people Do I believe because a lot of people Do I believe because a lot of people have great energy, but then they don't have great energy, but then they don't have great energy, but then they don't know how to implement anything. know how to implement anything. know how to implement anything. And then finally, I look at, well, does And then finally, I look at, well, does And then finally, I look at, well, does the money align? Does the monetary value

01:13:38the money align? Does the monetary value the money align? Does the monetary value align with the energy and strategy? align with the energy and strategy? align with the energy and strategy? Sure. That's been my business version of Sure. That's been my business version of Sure. That's been my business version of what I learned learned as a monk. So what I learned learned as a monk. So what I learned learned as a monk. So what you're saying then, that is a what you're saying then, that is a what you're saying then, that is a combination of both. Correct. combination of both. Correct. combination of both. Correct. Allowing like your gut, your energy, Allowing like your gut, your energy,

01:13:50Allowing like your gut, your energy, to kind of allow yourself to pursue to kind of allow yourself to pursue to kind of allow yourself to pursue further the opportunity, and then you further the opportunity, and then you further the opportunity, and then you take a sort of mental look at it to be take a sort of mental look at it to be take a sort of mental look at it to be like, like, like, I'm accepting the opportunity from a I'm accepting the opportunity from a I'm accepting the opportunity from a emotional point of view, now I need to emotional point of view, now I need to emotional point of view, now I need to see if it makes sort of logical sense. see if it makes sort of logical sense.

01:14:04see if it makes sort of logical sense. Correct. And if it doesn't, then we're Correct. And if it doesn't, then we're Correct. And if it doesn't, then we're going to stop there again. Yeah, yeah, going to stop there again. Yeah, yeah, going to stop there again. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I've I've found that more exactly. So I've I've found that more exactly. So I've I've found that more useful for me because I found that useful for me because I found that useful for me because I found that energetically I I can get excited about energetically I I can get excited about energetically I I can get excited about a lot of stuff. Yeah. I'm the same. a lot of stuff. Yeah. I'm the same.

01:14:15a lot of stuff. Yeah. I'm the same. Yeah, and I'm and I'm that kind of Yeah, and I'm and I'm that kind of Yeah, and I'm and I'm that kind of person, and again, I never want to block person, and again, I never want to block person, and again, I never want to block that. At the same time, I think that. At the same time, I think that. At the same time, I think we have to become more selective with we have to become more selective with we have to become more selective with our opportunities, and know when to say our opportunities, and know when to say our opportunities, and know when to say no, and know how to manage stuff, and no, and know how to manage stuff, and

01:14:25no, and know how to manage stuff, and that's at least helped me. Sure. So that's at least helped me. Sure. So that's at least helped me. Sure. So again, I'm not saying anyone has to live again, I'm not saying anyone has to live again, I'm not saying anyone has to live like that. I'm just No, it's like that. I'm just No, it's like that. I'm just No, it's interesting. It's really interesting. I interesting. It's really interesting. I interesting. It's really interesting. I I'm very much like go off my gut. I'll I'm very much like go off my gut. I'll I'm very much like go off my gut. I'll tell you about my mom tell you about my mom tell you about my mom is an unbelievable judge of character.

01:14:37is an unbelievable judge of character. is an unbelievable judge of character. Wow. And I think she might have, without Wow. And I think she might have, without Wow. And I think she might have, without knowing what you're talking about, where knowing what you're talking about, where knowing what you're talking about, where she can pick up on people's energies. she can pick up on people's energies. she can pick up on people's energies. Yeah. Because we can meet a new person Yeah. Because we can meet a new person Yeah. Because we can meet a new person as a family. We've met this new person. as a family. We've met this new person.

01:14:49as a family. We've met this new person. The three of us could love this new The three of us could love this new The three of us could love this new person and another three could not like person and another three could not like person and another three could not like this new person. And my mom will be this new person. And my mom will be this new person. And my mom will be like, "No. like, "No. like, "No. Why? Why? Why? No. Don't like that person." And then No. Don't like that person." And then No. Don't like that person." And then within 6 months, all of us like, "Do you within 6 months, all of us like, "Do you

01:14:59within 6 months, all of us like, "Do you remember that person that we were really remember that person that we were really remember that person that we were really good friends with for a little bit?" good friends with for a little bit?" good friends with for a little bit?" She's really got a keen eye for people She's really got a keen eye for people She's really got a keen eye for people that we would get along with. She's that we would get along with. She's that we would get along with. She's amazing like that. amazing like that. amazing like that. Moms are like that. Now that you say Moms are like that. Now that you say

01:15:09Moms are like that. Now that you say that, all my mates who let me down when that, all my mates who let me down when that, all my mates who let me down when I was a teenager But your mom could have I was a teenager But your mom could have I was a teenager But your mom could have pointed out every pointed out every pointed out every time. Every time. I was like, "Mom, no. time. Every time. I was like, "Mom, no. time. Every time. I was like, "Mom, no. They're my friend. I'm never going to They're my friend. I'm never going to They're my friend. I'm never going to leave them. They're like a brother to leave them. They're like a brother to

01:15:18leave them. They're like a brother to me." And then like 7 months later, the me." And then like 7 months later, the me." And then like 7 months later, the person stabbed you in the back and then person stabbed you in the back and then person stabbed you in the back and then you're like, "Oh, Mom." Like, you know. you're like, "Oh, Mom." Like, you know. you're like, "Oh, Mom." Like, you know. But the good thing about moms is they But the good thing about moms is they But the good thing about moms is they wouldn't judge you for it. You know, wouldn't judge you for it. You know, wouldn't judge you for it. You know, they're like, "Look, I told you, but you

01:15:28they're like, "Look, I told you, but you they're like, "Look, I told you, but you have to make your own mistakes." have to make your own mistakes." have to make your own mistakes." Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. But Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. But Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. But I It's interesting that you've been able I It's interesting that you've been able I It's interesting that you've been able to hold on to that and I love that. Do to hold on to that and I love that. Do to hold on to that and I love that. Do you feel like you were asking me about you feel like you were asking me about you feel like you were asking me about moving to LA and I I think What have you

01:15:39moving to LA and I I think What have you moving to LA and I I think What have you felt and there's a part of you that's felt and there's a part of you that's felt and there's a part of you that's obviously wanting to be back in obviously wanting to be back in obviously wanting to be back in Kingston, be back to who you are. Have Kingston, be back to who you are. Have Kingston, be back to who you are. Have you felt that there's been parts of you felt that there's been parts of you felt that there's been parts of yourself that have been challenged? I yourself that have been challenged? I yourself that have been challenged? I don't feel sitting with you today that

01:15:49don't feel sitting with you today that don't feel sitting with you today that you know, I I don't know you before. I you know, I I don't know you before. I you know, I I don't know you before. I don't know you after. I've only met you don't know you after. I've only met you don't know you after. I've only met you today, so I I can't judge who you are or today, so I I can't judge who you are or today, so I I can't judge who you are or what you enjoy. I All I can say is that what you enjoy. I All I can say is that what you enjoy. I All I can say is that when I'm sitting with you today, I feel when I'm sitting with you today, I feel

01:15:59when I'm sitting with you today, I feel like I'm sitting with an authentic like I'm sitting with an authentic like I'm sitting with an authentic individual and your energy comes across individual and your energy comes across individual and your energy comes across very easily. very easily. very easily. Thank you. Do you feel like you've had Thank you. Do you feel like you've had Thank you. Do you feel like you've had to hold on to that at times with to hold on to that at times with to hold on to that at times with opportunities, challenges, the industry opportunities, challenges, the industry opportunities, challenges, the industry or or is that all stuff that we kind of

01:16:11or or is that all stuff that we kind of or or is that all stuff that we kind of make up in our heads and it's actually make up in our heads and it's actually make up in our heads and it's actually just be yourself and you're fine? I just be yourself and you're fine? I just be yourself and you're fine? I really don't know the answer to that really don't know the answer to that really don't know the answer to that question. I I I've definitely walked question. I I I've definitely walked question. I I I've definitely walked away from a lot. Mhm. And I think had I away from a lot. Mhm. And I think had I away from a lot. Mhm. And I think had I not walked away from certain situations,

01:16:22not walked away from certain situations, not walked away from certain situations, let's just put it at that, I would be a let's just put it at that, I would be a let's just put it at that, I would be a very different person today. Mhm. I've very different person today. Mhm. I've very different person today. Mhm. I've been really good at keeping in touch been really good at keeping in touch been really good at keeping in touch with my friends, keeping my family with my friends, keeping my family with my friends, keeping my family close, listening to the lessons, close, listening to the lessons, close, listening to the lessons, not getting caught up in the Hollywood

01:16:35not getting caught up in the Hollywood not getting caught up in the Hollywood hype. Like I really am a massive fan of hype. Like I really am a massive fan of hype. Like I really am a massive fan of making movies, but I really do not like making movies, but I really do not like making movies, but I really do not like Hollywood. It is not for me. The The Hollywood. It is not for me. The The Hollywood. It is not for me. The The business really scares me. I I business really scares me. I I business really scares me. I I understand that I'm a part of that understand that I'm a part of that understand that I'm a part of that business and I enjoy my kind of business and I enjoy my kind of

01:16:47business and I enjoy my kind of interactions with it, but that said, interactions with it, but that said, interactions with it, but that said, I am always looking for ways to kind of I am always looking for ways to kind of I am always looking for ways to kind of remove myself from it, to kind of just remove myself from it, to kind of just remove myself from it, to kind of just live as normal a life as possible. live as normal a life as possible. live as normal a life as possible. Today, doing this is a very rare thing Today, doing this is a very rare thing Today, doing this is a very rare thing for me to do. Like, for me to do. Like, for me to do. Like, in London, to come in and speak to

01:17:04in London, to come in and speak to in London, to come in and speak to someone about my life is something I someone about my life is something I someone about my life is something I would not typically do, but because I'm would not typically do, but because I'm would not typically do, but because I'm a fan of yours and I was keen to kind of a fan of yours and I was keen to kind of a fan of yours and I was keen to kind of hear what you had to say and and chat to hear what you had to say and and chat to hear what you had to say and and chat to you today, I felt you today, I felt you today, I felt like this would be a safe space for me like this would be a safe space for me

01:17:15like this would be a safe space for me to do that. to do that. to do that. Um Um Um but yeah, I definitely think it has been but yeah, I definitely think it has been but yeah, I definitely think it has been an ongoing thought, an ongoing thought, an ongoing thought, which is don't lose yourself. I've seen which is don't lose yourself. I've seen which is don't lose yourself. I've seen so many people come before me and lose so many people come before me and lose so many people come before me and lose themselves and I've had friends that themselves and I've had friends that themselves and I've had friends that I've grown up with that aren't friends I've grown up with that aren't friends

01:17:30I've grown up with that aren't friends of mine anymore because they've lost of mine anymore because they've lost of mine anymore because they've lost themselves to this business and I just themselves to this business and I just themselves to this business and I just I'm really, really keen to focus on what I'm really, really keen to focus on what I'm really, really keen to focus on what makes me happy, which is my family, it's makes me happy, which is my family, it's makes me happy, which is my family, it's my friends, it's my carpentry, my golf, my friends, it's my carpentry, my golf, my friends, it's my carpentry, my golf, um the charity that my mom runs. Like,

01:17:45um the charity that my mom runs. Like, um the charity that my mom runs. Like, that is the stuff that makes me really that is the stuff that makes me really that is the stuff that makes me really happy and that's the stuff that I should happy and that's the stuff that I should happy and that's the stuff that I should protect. My relationship is the thing protect. My relationship is the thing protect. My relationship is the thing that I keep most sacred. I don't talk that I keep most sacred. I don't talk that I keep most sacred. I don't talk about it. about it. about it. I try my best to keep it as private as I try my best to keep it as private as

01:17:56I try my best to keep it as private as possible. We both feel very strongly possible. We both feel very strongly possible. We both feel very strongly that that is the healthiest way for us that that is the healthiest way for us that that is the healthiest way for us to to move on as a couple. to to move on as a couple. to to move on as a couple. Um so, I do try to keep as removed from Um so, I do try to keep as removed from Um so, I do try to keep as removed from it as possible. Like, you'll never see it as possible. Like, you'll never see it as possible. Like, you'll never see me at an award show that I don't have to me at an award show that I don't have to

01:18:08me at an award show that I don't have to be at. I'm never going to a red carpet be at. I'm never going to a red carpet be at. I'm never going to a red carpet event that I'm not in the film of, you event that I'm not in the film of, you event that I'm not in the film of, you know? I don't want the attention when I know? I don't want the attention when I know? I don't want the attention when I don't need it. I love the spotlight. I don't need it. I love the spotlight. I don't need it. I love the spotlight. I love the pressure that comes with it. love the pressure that comes with it. love the pressure that comes with it. Just watch that tennis documentary, Just watch that tennis documentary,

01:18:21Just watch that tennis documentary, Breaking Point. Breaking Point. Breaking Point. I haven't seen it yet. I love tennis. I haven't seen it yet. I love tennis. I haven't seen it yet. I love tennis. it. It's amazing. I never realized how it. It's amazing. I never realized how it. It's amazing. I never realized how brutal tennis was. I've always been a brutal tennis was. I've always been a brutal tennis was. I've always been a huge tennis lover. I'm now absolutely in huge tennis lover. I'm now absolutely in huge tennis lover. I'm now absolutely in awe of what those athletes go through. awe of what those athletes go through.

01:18:32awe of what those athletes go through. But there's a quote from Billie Jean But there's a quote from Billie Jean But there's a quote from Billie Jean King that's on the um King that's on the um King that's on the um stand at her stadium in New York that stand at her stadium in New York that stand at her stadium in New York that says pressure is a privilege. Mhm. And says pressure is a privilege. Mhm. And says pressure is a privilege. Mhm. And that is so true. Like, oh my god, that is so true. Like, oh my god, that is so true. Like, oh my god, feeling pressure on a daily basis in the feeling pressure on a daily basis in the

01:18:45feeling pressure on a daily basis in the capacity that we feel is such a capacity that we feel is such a capacity that we feel is such a privilege. I love feeling pressure. I privilege. I love feeling pressure. I privilege. I love feeling pressure. I feel like I thrive under pressure. The feel like I thrive under pressure. The feel like I thrive under pressure. The best golf I've ever played in my life is best golf I've ever played in my life is best golf I've ever played in my life is when there are cameras around and people when there are cameras around and people when there are cameras around and people are watching. I just think that that is are watching. I just think that that is

01:18:56are watching. I just think that that is a really amazing thing to be able to a really amazing thing to be able to a really amazing thing to be able to experience. So, I enjoy it while I can, experience. So, I enjoy it while I can, experience. So, I enjoy it while I can, and then when it becomes a bit much, I and then when it becomes a bit much, I and then when it becomes a bit much, I kind of become a bit of a recluse and I kind of become a bit of a recluse and I kind of become a bit of a recluse and I disappear and I come back to Kingston, I disappear and I come back to Kingston, I disappear and I come back to Kingston, I play golf, I play tennis, I hang out

01:19:08play golf, I play tennis, I hang out play golf, I play tennis, I hang out with my friends and my family, do the with my friends and my family, do the with my friends and my family, do the pub quiz, and and all that sort of pub quiz, and and all that sort of pub quiz, and and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. Um so, yeah. So, it is stuff. Yeah. Um so, yeah. So, it is stuff. Yeah. Um so, yeah. So, it is something I actively try to do. As I get something I actively try to do. As I get something I actively try to do. As I get older, it only gets easier. older, it only gets easier. older, it only gets easier. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, and and I Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, and and I

01:19:21Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, and and I I can I can relate to that where in in I can I can relate to that where in in I can I can relate to that where in in my in my small way or in my world where my in my small way or in my world where my in my small way or in my world where a lot of my friends think like I'm in LA a lot of my friends think like I'm in LA a lot of my friends think like I'm in LA like always at events, always at like always at events, always at like always at events, always at parties. I'm not I'm not I'm like in bed parties. I'm not I'm not I'm like in bed parties. I'm not I'm not I'm like in bed by 9:30 p.m. by 9:30 p.m. by 9:30 p.m. Right. And I only live there because it

01:19:33Right. And I only live there because it Right. And I only live there because it works for me in in the world that I do works for me in in the world that I do works for me in in the world that I do in what I do, and Sure. Sure. and and I in what I do, and Sure. Sure. and and I in what I do, and Sure. Sure. and and I enjoy living in LA, but it's it I don't enjoy living in LA, but it's it I don't enjoy living in LA, but it's it I don't live there for Hollywood, and I think live there for Hollywood, and I think live there for Hollywood, and I think that's often the perception as well. that's often the perception as well. that's often the perception as well. Everyone's like, "Oh, you're all

01:19:42Everyone's like, "Oh, you're all Everyone's like, "Oh, you're all Hollywood now." And I'm like, "Well, no, Hollywood now." And I'm like, "Well, no, Hollywood now." And I'm like, "Well, no, not really. Like, I I don't really I not really. Like, I I don't really I not really. Like, I I don't really I don't really go to all the events and don't really go to all the events and don't really go to all the events and gatherings and stuff unless I need to be gatherings and stuff unless I need to be gatherings and stuff unless I need to be there or Sure. or I'm connected to a there or Sure. or I'm connected to a there or Sure. or I'm connected to a project. So, so I relate to that. What

01:19:53project. So, so I relate to that. What project. So, so I relate to that. What what You mentioned a few things there, what You mentioned a few things there, what You mentioned a few things there, but if I had to ask you as Tom, when do but if I had to ask you as Tom, when do but if I had to ask you as Tom, when do you feel most yourself? Like, when do you feel most yourself? Like, when do you feel most yourself? Like, when do you feel most connected or and what are you feel most connected or and what are you feel most connected or and what are you trying to reconnect to if you're you trying to reconnect to if you're you trying to reconnect to if you're like, "Well, I know what it is, but I'm

01:20:04like, "Well, I know what it is, but I'm like, "Well, I know what it is, but I'm still figuring it out again." I think still figuring it out again." I think still figuring it out again." I think when I feel most myself is to do with my when I feel most myself is to do with my when I feel most myself is to do with my relationships, so I'm going to leave relationships, so I'm going to leave relationships, so I'm going to leave that and not talk about that. that and not talk about that. that and not talk about that. Absolutely. But, I think the other Absolutely. But, I think the other Absolutely. But, I think the other thing, and this is such a stupid thing,

01:20:14thing, and this is such a stupid thing, thing, and this is such a stupid thing, but it's when I'm playing good golf. but it's when I'm playing good golf. but it's when I'm playing good golf. Like, there's something about how golf Like, there's something about how golf Like, there's something about how golf golf is the most humbling sport in the golf is the most humbling sport in the golf is the most humbling sport in the world. It doesn't matter who you are, world. It doesn't matter who you are, world. It doesn't matter who you are, doesn't matter how much money you've doesn't matter how much money you've doesn't matter how much money you've got, how successful you are,

01:20:25got, how successful you are, got, how successful you are, golf will batter you no matter who you golf will batter you no matter who you golf will batter you no matter who you are. And I love that's what I love about are. And I love that's what I love about are. And I love that's what I love about it, you know, you it's such a leveling it, you know, you it's such a leveling it, you know, you it's such a leveling sport. sport. sport. I love going to a golf course and I love going to a golf course and I love going to a golf course and meeting new people that I've never meeting new people that I've never meeting new people that I've never played with before. Playing around of

01:20:36played with before. Playing around of played with before. Playing around of golf. I struggle when I don't play golf. I struggle when I don't play golf. I struggle when I don't play badly. Like I've got a bit of a temper badly. Like I've got a bit of a temper badly. Like I've got a bit of a temper and like you're supposed to have 14 and like you're supposed to have 14 and like you're supposed to have 14 clubs in your bag. I currently have nine clubs in your bag. I currently have nine clubs in your bag. I currently have nine and you can probably guess why. and you can probably guess why. and you can probably guess why. Um but I Um but I Um but I I just love being outside. I've always

01:20:50I just love being outside. I've always I just love being outside. I've always been an outdoorsy person. been an outdoorsy person. been an outdoorsy person. I love being on the golf course. I love I love being on the golf course. I love I love being on the golf course. I love my mates. They all love playing golf. my mates. They all love playing golf. my mates. They all love playing golf. There's just something about the There's just something about the There's just something about the challenge of shooting lower than your challenge of shooting lower than your challenge of shooting lower than your lowest score that really lowest score that really

01:21:01lowest score that really kind of takes my mind off of the work. kind of takes my mind off of the work. kind of takes my mind off of the work. The interesting thing about golf is that The interesting thing about golf is that The interesting thing about golf is that you could be having a terrible day. You you could be having a terrible day. You you could be having a terrible day. You could be really upset about something could be really upset about something could be really upset about something and if you play really well, you and if you play really well, you and if you play really well, you completely forget about it. If you play completely forget about it. If you play

01:21:13completely forget about it. If you play really badly, you then are playing badly really badly, you then are playing badly really badly, you then are playing badly because of what's happening outside of because of what's happening outside of because of what's happening outside of golf. It's like a really weird kind of golf. It's like a really weird kind of golf. It's like a really weird kind of catch-22, I guess. catch-22, I guess. catch-22, I guess. Yeah. Um but I love it. I think when I'm Yeah. Um but I love it. I think when I'm Yeah. Um but I love it. I think when I'm playing good golf is when I feel most playing good golf is when I feel most

01:21:26playing good golf is when I feel most like myself. like myself. like myself. Yeah. Wow, that's that's that's a unique Yeah. Wow, that's that's that's a unique Yeah. Wow, that's that's that's a unique concept, but I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. concept, but I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. concept, but I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've only ever played Yeah, yeah. I've only ever played Yeah, yeah. I've only ever played golf like twice in my life. Right. And I golf like twice in my life. Right. And I golf like twice in my life. Right. And I totally get the point of how humbling it totally get the point of how humbling it

01:21:37totally get the point of how humbling it is. It's horrendous. No matter how is. It's horrendous. No matter how is. It's horrendous. No matter how quickly you pick up other things in quickly you pick up other things in quickly you pick up other things in life, golf is not one of those things life, golf is not one of those things life, golf is not one of those things that you pick up that easily. Oh mate, that you pick up that easily. Oh mate, that you pick up that easily. Oh mate, you can sign the biggest deal of your you can sign the biggest deal of your you can sign the biggest deal of your life and go out to play golf to life and go out to play golf to

01:21:49life and go out to play golf to celebrate and it'll ruin your day. celebrate and it'll ruin your day. celebrate and it'll ruin your day. Like absolutely ruin your day. Like absolutely ruin your day. Like absolutely ruin your day. Don't go out to play golf to celebrate. Don't go out to play golf to celebrate. Don't go out to play golf to celebrate. never go out to celebrate. No, crazy. Do never go out to celebrate. No, crazy. Do never go out to celebrate. No, crazy. Do you play Do you still play any sport? I you play Do you still play any sport? I you play Do you still play any sport? I love playing football when I'm back love playing football when I'm back

01:22:00love playing football when I'm back here. So that's one of the things. My here. So that's one of the things. My here. So that's one of the things. My mates know that when I'm back in London, mates know that when I'm back in London, mates know that when I'm back in London, we're going to play a game of football. we're going to play a game of football. we're going to play a game of football. play? Well, we just We We will just play play? Well, we just We We will just play play? Well, we just We We will just play on like a seven-a-side pitch or a on like a seven-a-side pitch or a on like a seven-a-side pitch or a five-a-side pitch like close to five-a-side pitch like close to

01:22:10five-a-side pitch like close to Northwest London, which is where most my Northwest London, which is where most my Northwest London, which is where most my mates are. So like Nice. mates are. So like Nice. mates are. So like Nice. Stanmore, Edgeware, Watford. That's like Stanmore, Edgeware, Watford. That's like Stanmore, Edgeware, Watford. That's like where all my main mates are. And so we where all my main mates are. And so we where all my main mates are. And so we just go rent a pitch, kick a ball about. just go rent a pitch, kick a ball about. just go rent a pitch, kick a ball about. I'm not any good anymore. Sure. I'm not any good anymore. Sure.

01:22:20I'm not any good anymore. Sure. got the full kit and the socks and you got the full kit and the socks and you got the full kit and the socks and you know all that kind of stuff. know all that kind of stuff. know all that kind of stuff. look dressed to impress, bro. I've look dressed to impress, bro. I've look dressed to impress, bro. I've actually got Neymar's kit like from him. actually got Neymar's kit like from him. actually got Neymar's kit like from him. So, you best believe I'll show up to So, you best believe I'll show up to So, you best believe I'll show up to five-a-side in his full kit. five-a-side in his full kit. five-a-side in his full kit. I love it. I love it. Is it signed by

01:22:33I love it. I love it. Is it signed by I love it. I love it. Is it signed by him, too? No, it's not signed by him. him, too? No, it's not signed by him. him, too? No, it's not signed by him. That's just Yeah, that's just his kit. That's just Yeah, that's just his kit. That's just Yeah, that's just his kit. We went on a lads' holiday to Portugal We went on a lads' holiday to Portugal We went on a lads' holiday to Portugal recently to play golf. And at the resort recently to play golf. And at the resort recently to play golf. And at the resort we were staying at, the the people were we were staying at, the the people were

01:22:42we were staying at, the the people were so nice. They said, "Let's have an so nice. They said, "Let's have an so nice. They said, "Let's have an England versus Portugal football match." England versus Portugal football match." England versus Portugal football match." There was like, I think there was eight There was like, I think there was eight There was like, I think there was eight of us, of us, of us, and there was a bunch of Brits that were and there was a bunch of Brits that were and there was a bunch of Brits that were working at the resort, so they kind of working at the resort, so they kind of working at the resort, so they kind of joined our team, and we literally did

01:22:53joined our team, and we literally did joined our team, and we literally did England versus Portugal. England versus Portugal. England versus Portugal. It's a full-size pitch. It's a full-size pitch. It's a full-size pitch. We did 60 minutes, 30 minutes each way. We did 60 minutes, 30 minutes each way. We did 60 minutes, 30 minutes each way. I'm fit. I train every day. I absolutely I'm fit. I train every day. I absolutely I'm fit. I train every day. I absolutely love my fitness. I really, really like love my fitness. I really, really like love my fitness. I really, really like I'm into it. By the end, I could not I'm into it. By the end, I could not

01:23:06I'm into it. By the end, I could not make five paces without my legs cramping make five paces without my legs cramping make five paces without my legs cramping up. They are so fit, these football up. They are so fit, these football up. They are so fit, these football players. It's unbelievable. And we won. players. It's unbelievable. And we won. players. It's unbelievable. And we won. And it's so funny how the first 10 And it's so funny how the first 10 And it's so funny how the first 10 minutes of the game was really friendly, minutes of the game was really friendly, minutes of the game was really friendly, like soft fouls, sorry, mate, like your like soft fouls, sorry, mate, like your

01:23:19like soft fouls, sorry, mate, like your free kick. And by the end, it was free kick. And by the end, it was free kick. And by the end, it was savage. It was really intense. Wow. At savage. It was really intense. Wow. At savage. It was really intense. Wow. At least you won. We won. I got an assist. least you won. We won. I got an assist. least you won. We won. I got an assist. It was actually a glorious assist as It was actually a glorious assist as It was actually a glorious assist as well, actually. I just I pinged the ball well, actually. I just I pinged the ball well, actually. I just I pinged the ball over the top. My brother made a run, and over the top. My brother made a run, and

01:23:33over the top. My brother made a run, and it bounced, and he managed to get his it bounced, and he managed to get his it bounced, and he managed to get his foot to it, and he chipped the keeper foot to it, and he chipped the keeper foot to it, and he chipped the keeper and scored. It was But there's no and scored. It was But there's no and scored. It was But there's no footage. There's no footage. footage. There's no footage. footage. There's no footage. No proof. Yeah, no proof. Yeah, no No proof. Yeah, no proof. Yeah, no No proof. Yeah, no proof. Yeah, no proof. proof. proof. think when the whole no proof thing, think when the whole no proof thing,

01:23:44think when the whole no proof thing, like we had the craziest experience of like we had the craziest experience of like we had the craziest experience of my life the other day. I'll tell you my life the other day. I'll tell you my life the other day. I'll tell you about it. about it. about it. Because our lives are so crazy, like Because our lives are so crazy, like Because our lives are so crazy, like there's no Why would I lie? there's no Why would I lie? there's no Why would I lie? But the other day, we went swimming with But the other day, we went swimming with But the other day, we went swimming with killer whales in Mexico. I said the killer whales in Mexico. I said the

01:23:56killer whales in Mexico. I said the other day, it was last year. other day, it was last year. other day, it was last year. And it was one of the most humbling And it was one of the most humbling And it was one of the most humbling experiences of my life. There's no proof experiences of my life. There's no proof experiences of my life. There's no proof of it. There's no evidence, cuz it was of it. There's no evidence, cuz it was of it. There's no evidence, cuz it was so off the cuff. We weren't planning on so off the cuff. We weren't planning on so off the cuff. We weren't planning on doing it. So, most people I tell are doing it. So, most people I tell are

01:24:06doing it. So, most people I tell are like, "You definitely didn't do that." like, "You definitely didn't do that." like, "You definitely didn't do that." But we we were in we were in Mexico, and But we we were in we were in Mexico, and But we we were in we were in Mexico, and we were on a boat, and we just so we were on a boat, and we just so we were on a boat, and we just so happened to see this pod of orca. happened to see this pod of orca. happened to see this pod of orca. Jack, my security guard, thought it'd be Jack, my security guard, thought it'd be Jack, my security guard, thought it'd be a good idea to jump in. He jumped a good idea to jump in. He jumped

01:24:20a good idea to jump in. He jumped straight in, flippers on, goggles on. straight in, flippers on, goggles on. straight in, flippers on, goggles on. And we were driving to keep up with the And we were driving to keep up with the And we were driving to keep up with the whales cuz they were kind of following whales cuz they were kind of following whales cuz they were kind of following our boat. So, by the time Jack had our boat. So, by the time Jack had our boat. So, by the time Jack had jumped in, he was like this. He was like jumped in, he was like this. He was like jumped in, he was like this. He was like 100 m away, and you could see him, and 100 m away, and you could see him, and

01:24:32100 m away, and you could see him, and the whales were like swimming around the whales were like swimming around the whales were like swimming around him. him. him. So, I'm just starting to freak out cuz So, I'm just starting to freak out cuz So, I'm just starting to freak out cuz he's a good friend of mine. And he's a he's a good friend of mine. And he's a he's a good friend of mine. And he's a security guy. security guy. security guy. he's my security. I'm like, "Jack, we he's my security. I'm like, "Jack, we he's my security. I'm like, "Jack, we got to get back to the hotel, bro." got to get back to the hotel, bro."

01:24:42got to get back to the hotel, bro." Um so, I said to the guy, like, "Excuse Um so, I said to the guy, like, "Excuse Um so, I said to the guy, like, "Excuse me, sir, can you turn around and go and me, sir, can you turn around and go and me, sir, can you turn around and go and get my friend cuz we now can't see him get my friend cuz we now can't see him get my friend cuz we now can't see him anymore? Like, he's gone." We found him, anymore? Like, he's gone." We found him, anymore? Like, he's gone." We found him, we got him back in the boat, and he sort we got him back in the boat, and he sort we got him back in the boat, and he sort of said, like, "Lads, you have to get

01:24:53of said, like, "Lads, you have to get of said, like, "Lads, you have to get in. There is It's unlike anything you've in. There is It's unlike anything you've in. There is It's unlike anything you've ever seen before." ever seen before." ever seen before." My brother Harry's like Googling whether My brother Harry's like Googling whether My brother Harry's like Googling whether or not it's safe to swim with them, and or not it's safe to swim with them, and or not it's safe to swim with them, and it's sort of the general consensus it's sort of the general consensus it's sort of the general consensus online is don't go swimming with killer online is don't go swimming with killer

01:25:03online is don't go swimming with killer whales. You can, there's never been a whales. You can, there's never been a whales. You can, there's never been a recorded attack in the wild, recorded attack in the wild, recorded attack in the wild, but they are wild animals. They're but they are wild animals. They're but they are wild animals. They're They're big as a bus. And also, Jack's They're big as a bus. And also, Jack's They're big as a bus. And also, Jack's giving it like, "Don't worry, Tom, I'll giving it like, "Don't worry, Tom, I'll giving it like, "Don't worry, Tom, I'll be there. I'll look after you." I'm be there. I'll look after you." I'm

01:25:14be there. I'll look after you." I'm like, "Jack, what are you going to do, like, "Jack, what are you going to do, like, "Jack, what are you going to do, bro? Like, what's this this whale the bro? Like, what's this this whale the bro? Like, what's this this whale the size to eat me?" size to eat me?" size to eat me?" So, anyway, we put the flippers on, So, anyway, we put the flippers on, So, anyway, we put the flippers on, put the goggles on, put the goggles on, put the goggles on, we find the whales. They're sort of we find the whales. They're sort of we find the whales. They're sort of interacting with the back of the boat. interacting with the back of the boat.

01:25:26interacting with the back of the boat. They're clearly curious. They're clearly curious. They're clearly curious. And I just thought, like, I guess it And I just thought, like, I guess it And I just thought, like, I guess it goes back to what you're saying, the goes back to what you're saying, the goes back to what you're saying, the mode of ignorance. I just was like, "I'm mode of ignorance. I just was like, "I'm mode of ignorance. I just was like, "I'm going to try it and see what happens." I going to try it and see what happens." I going to try it and see what happens." I jumped in, jumped in, jumped in, my brother jumped in, Jack jumped in. We my brother jumped in, Jack jumped in. We

01:25:40my brother jumped in, Jack jumped in. We kind of came together. kind of came together. kind of came together. We're 30 mi out of the coast, so it's We're 30 mi out of the coast, so it's We're 30 mi out of the coast, so it's literally like literally like literally like dark blue water, nothing below us. And dark blue water, nothing below us. And dark blue water, nothing below us. And to my relief, to my relief, to my relief, the whales had gone. We couldn't see the whales had gone. We couldn't see the whales had gone. We couldn't see them. them. them. So, I'm sort of thinking, "Oh, well, So, I'm sort of thinking, "Oh, well,

01:25:54So, I'm sort of thinking, "Oh, well, that's actually a bit of a touch. At that's actually a bit of a touch. At that's actually a bit of a touch. At least I can say I jumped in, and they least I can say I jumped in, and they least I can say I jumped in, and they have gone." have gone." have gone." But then Jack said, "Look down." And we But then Jack said, "Look down." And we But then Jack said, "Look down." And we looked down, and it came from beneath looked down, and it came from beneath looked down, and it came from beneath us. us. us. And what has been such an interesting And what has been such an interesting And what has been such an interesting experience for me was as soon as I saw

01:26:08experience for me was as soon as I saw experience for me was as soon as I saw the whale, I wasn't scared anymore the whale, I wasn't scared anymore the whale, I wasn't scared anymore because I could just tell because I could just tell because I could just tell that it wasn't going to eat me. You that it wasn't going to eat me. You that it wasn't going to eat me. You could don't know I don't know how to could don't know I don't know how to could don't know I don't know how to explain it, but you could just see from explain it, but you could just see from explain it, but you could just see from its body language. I remember it so its body language. I remember it so

01:26:20its body language. I remember it so vividly. It swam up to us. It was maybe vividly. It swam up to us. It was maybe vividly. It swam up to us. It was maybe 10 m below us, and it was kind of 10 m below us, and it was kind of 10 m below us, and it was kind of motionlessly sort of just looking at us, motionlessly sort of just looking at us, motionlessly sort of just looking at us, and then it kind of rolled on its back. and then it kind of rolled on its back. and then it kind of rolled on its back. It did this weird thing where it kind of It did this weird thing where it kind of It did this weird thing where it kind of put its head like this, and you could put its head like this, and you could

01:26:31put its head like this, and you could see its eye. Like we were having this see its eye. Like we were having this see its eye. Like we were having this crazy like moment. And then it just swam crazy like moment. And then it just swam crazy like moment. And then it just swam off, and it was gone. off, and it was gone. off, and it was gone. And then for 3 hours afterwards, I And then for 3 hours afterwards, I And then for 3 hours afterwards, I couldn't speak. I had the biggest couldn't speak. I had the biggest couldn't speak. I had the biggest adrenaline dump. I just adrenaline dump. I just adrenaline dump. I just basically was basically was basically was asleep. But it was such an amazing

01:26:48asleep. But it was such an amazing asleep. But it was such an amazing experience to sort of experience to sort of experience to sort of meet the apex predator of the world, and meet the apex predator of the world, and meet the apex predator of the world, and it kind of look at you and just swim it kind of look at you and just swim it kind of look at you and just swim away. Mhm. Most people don't believe me away. Mhm. Most people don't believe me away. Mhm. Most people don't believe me because because because you. there's no evidence, but it was I you. there's no evidence, but it was I you. there's no evidence, but it was I think about it now. And then you know

01:27:02think about it now. And then you know think about it now. And then you know what's so funny as well? I see these I what's so funny as well? I see these I what's so funny as well? I see these I see like our planet. There's there's see like our planet. There's there's see like our planet. There's there's more footage of orcas hunting, and more footage of orcas hunting, and more footage of orcas hunting, and another way in which they hunt. There is another way in which they hunt. There is another way in which they hunt. There is no way I would do that again. Yeah, no way I would do that again. Yeah, no way I would do that again. Yeah, there's no way I'd get in there again.

01:27:14there's no way I'd get in there again. there's no way I'd get in there again. But yeah, it was amazing. Hearing But yeah, it was amazing. Hearing But yeah, it was amazing. Hearing hearing you explain it is like You're so hearing you explain it is like You're so hearing you explain it is like You're so present. Yeah. present. Yeah. present. Yeah. Like you can tell that you just you were Like you can tell that you just you were Like you can tell that you just you were so present in that moment. Like you so present in that moment. Like you so present in that moment. Like you stopped thinking about like, "Oh, well, stopped thinking about like, "Oh, well,

01:27:24stopped thinking about like, "Oh, well, you know, if I tell this after, then no you know, if I tell this after, then no you know, if I tell this after, then no one's going to believe me." Or whatever one's going to believe me." Or whatever one's going to believe me." Or whatever it is. You're just like, "Wait a it is. You're just like, "Wait a it is. You're just like, "Wait a minute." Yeah. You know, nature makes minute." Yeah. You know, nature makes minute." Yeah. You know, nature makes you present like that. And and that's you present like that. And and that's you present like that. And and that's what I love about nature is it's what I love about nature is it's

01:27:32what I love about nature is it's completely unbiased as well. Like if completely unbiased as well. Like if completely unbiased as well. Like if that whale wanted to have a snack, then, that whale wanted to have a snack, then, that whale wanted to have a snack, then, you know, it's not looking at you going, you know, it's not looking at you going, you know, it's not looking at you going, "Oh, no, but that's a famous person. I "Oh, no, but that's a famous person. I "Oh, no, but that's a famous person. I got to leave him alone." Or it just you got to leave him alone." Or it just you got to leave him alone." Or it just you are at one with Mother Nature. We're in

01:27:44are at one with Mother Nature. We're in are at one with Mother Nature. We're in the middle of the ocean. There's nothing the middle of the ocean. There's nothing the middle of the ocean. There's nothing we could do. we could do. we could do. And we just were able to enjoy somewhat And we just were able to enjoy somewhat And we just were able to enjoy somewhat maybe like being in the cave, like you maybe like being in the cave, like you maybe like being in the cave, like you were saying. were saying. were saying. It was just about us and this whale. My It was just about us and this whale. My It was just about us and this whale. My brother and I were holding hands, but

01:27:56brother and I were holding hands, but brother and I were holding hands, but then as soon as it presented itself to then as soon as it presented itself to then as soon as it presented itself to us, any stress just dissipated. And it us, any stress just dissipated. And it us, any stress just dissipated. And it was just this unbelievable experience, was just this unbelievable experience, was just this unbelievable experience, and it was so leveling. It was so and it was so leveling. It was so and it was so leveling. It was so humbling that it makes me feel like I humbling that it makes me feel like I humbling that it makes me feel like I can take on certain things. can take on certain things.

01:28:09can take on certain things. So it's was a honestly, even thinking So it's was a honestly, even thinking So it's was a honestly, even thinking about the experience now, my heart is about the experience now, my heart is about the experience now, my heart is racing. racing. racing. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, it was it was wild, yeah. It was a Yeah, it was it was wild, yeah. It was a Yeah, it was it was wild, yeah. It was a cool experience. cool experience. cool experience. That's that's an incredible experience. That's that's an incredible experience. That's that's an incredible experience. And it is different from the cave

01:28:21And it is different from the cave And it is different from the cave though, because I do think it's it's though, because I do think it's it's though, because I do think it's it's different when you're with another different when you're with another different when you're with another living being. Sure. And so, that's what living being. Sure. And so, that's what living being. Sure. And so, that's what I found like my my closest experience to I found like my my closest experience to I found like my my closest experience to what you're talking about is I went what you're talking about is I went what you're talking about is I went trekking with well, looking for mountain

01:28:34trekking with well, looking for mountain trekking with well, looking for mountain gorilla in Rwanda last year. gorilla in Rwanda last year. gorilla in Rwanda last year. that's on the top of my list. I would that's on the top of my list. I would that's on the top of my list. I would love to go. love to go. love to go. Okay, yeah, we we should do it. I would Okay, yeah, we we should do it. I would Okay, yeah, we we should do it. I would do that again any day because it was do that again any day because it was do that again any day because it was unbelievable. So, you're not again, unbelievable. So, you're not again, unbelievable. So, you're not again, these gorillas are not like in a park or

01:28:46these gorillas are not like in a park or these gorillas are not like in a park or something. They're they're mountain something. They're they're mountain something. They're they're mountain gorilla. They're in their world. And you gorilla. They're in their world. And you gorilla. They're in their world. And you go and look for them and there's no go and look for them and there's no go and look for them and there's no tagging devices or any tech. There's tagging devices or any tech. There's tagging devices or any tech. There's people who have watched the gorilla for people who have watched the gorilla for people who have watched the gorilla for so many years that they know where their

01:28:58so many years that they know where their so many years that they know where their droppings are. They know where families droppings are. They know where families droppings are. They know where families hang out. They know what their routines hang out. They know what their routines hang out. They know what their routines are. So, depending on what time you're are. So, depending on what time you're are. So, depending on what time you're going out, there's someone who's just going out, there's someone who's just going out, there's someone who's just around them who's calling their friend around them who's calling their friend

01:29:06around them who's calling their friend calling your guide saying walk this way. calling your guide saying walk this way. calling your guide saying walk this way. you got to go. Exactly. Just just to you got to go. Exactly. Just just to you got to go. Exactly. Just just to make it very very clear that, you know, make it very very clear that, you know, make it very very clear that, you know, the the gorilla is being treated very the the gorilla is being treated very the the gorilla is being treated very well. Uh well. Uh well. Uh so, you're literally looking around and so, you're literally looking around and so, you're literally looking around and you could be on the lookout for them for

01:29:18you could be on the lookout for them for you could be on the lookout for them for like two to six hours. You may not find like two to six hours. You may not find like two to six hours. You may not find them. You're just hiking. them. You're just hiking. them. You're just hiking. See, I love that though. You might not See, I love that though. You might not See, I love that though. You might not find them. find them. find them. Yeah, you might not find them. So, we Yeah, you might not find them. So, we Yeah, you might not find them. So, we found them in two hours. One group that found them in two hours. One group that found them in two hours. One group that we heard about cuz you go in smaller

01:29:28we heard about cuz you go in smaller we heard about cuz you go in smaller groups of like 10. The other group that groups of like 10. The other group that groups of like 10. The other group that we were friends with, they took eight we were friends with, they took eight we were friends with, they took eight hours to find gorillas, but they saw hours to find gorillas, but they saw hours to find gorillas, but they saw them, too. And when I went, I was kind them, too. And when I went, I was kind them, too. And when I went, I was kind of like, "Oh, we're going to see one of like, "Oh, we're going to see one of like, "Oh, we're going to see one gorilla, whatever. Like, they're going

01:29:38gorilla, whatever. Like, they're going gorilla, whatever. Like, they're going to be far away." Like, I was a bit to be far away." Like, I was a bit to be far away." Like, I was a bit skeptical. skeptical. skeptical. Sure. I didn't know how it was going to Sure. I didn't know how it was going to Sure. I didn't know how it was going to be. And it was incredible because we be. And it was incredible because we be. And it was incredible because we looked around for two hours. And I'll looked around for two hours. And I'll looked around for two hours. And I'll show you the video afterwards, but we show you the video afterwards, but we

01:29:47show you the video afterwards, but we got and we just saw them like hanging got and we just saw them like hanging got and we just saw them like hanging out kind of like how I'm looking at out kind of like how I'm looking at out kind of like how I'm looking at everyone here, just hanging out still. everyone here, just hanging out still. everyone here, just hanging out still. And then all of a sudden, they all And then all of a sudden, they all And then all of a sudden, they all started walking together. There was a started walking together. There was a started walking together. There was a family of 20 gorillas. Wow. family of 20 gorillas. Wow.

01:29:58family of 20 gorillas. Wow. two silverbacks that are like, you know, two silverbacks that are like, you know, two silverbacks that are like, you know, they're like their fists are like, you they're like their fists are like, you they're like their fists are like, you know, just huge. They'll zap you and know, just huge. They'll zap you and know, just huge. They'll zap you and you're gone. you're gone. you're gone. Yeah, exactly. And and it was really Yeah, exactly. And and it was really Yeah, exactly. And and it was really interesting because the guides who were interesting because the guides who were interesting because the guides who were there with us, there with us,

01:30:08there with us, they said to us that when you go close they said to us that when you go close they said to us that when you go close to them, kind of like and this is why I to them, kind of like and this is why I to them, kind of like and this is why I remembered it and why I'm telling you, remembered it and why I'm telling you, remembered it and why I'm telling you, it's because when you were talking about it's because when you were talking about it's because when you were talking about the way the whale looked at you, and it the way the whale looked at you, and it the way the whale looked at you, and it was kind of like you knew it wasn't was kind of like you knew it wasn't

01:30:17was kind of like you knew it wasn't going to eat you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And going to eat you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And going to eat you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they were saying that when you get so they were saying that when you get so they were saying that when you get close to these gorillas, the only thing close to these gorillas, the only thing close to these gorillas, the only thing you can't do is you can't touch their you can't do is you can't touch their you can't do is you can't touch their kids and you can't touch them. And so kids and you can't touch them. And so kids and you can't touch them. And so you can't drop something near their kids you can't drop something near their kids

01:30:25you can't drop something near their kids and then try get it back because they'll and then try get it back because they'll and then try get it back because they'll think you're trying to harm their kids. think you're trying to harm their kids. think you're trying to harm their kids. Told you. But what they recommended was Told you. But what they recommended was Told you. But what they recommended was they said you had to make this sound they said you had to make this sound they said you had to make this sound when you see them, and this sound means when you see them, and this sound means when you see them, and this sound means we come in peace. And so the sound was

01:30:39we come in peace. And so the sound was we come in peace. And so the sound was So that's you have to make that sound. I So that's you have to make that sound. I So that's you have to make that sound. I was all right, this is some Disneyland was all right, this is some Disneyland was all right, this is some Disneyland stuff. stuff. stuff. I was like I was like, yeah, I'm not I was like I was like, yeah, I'm not I was like I was like, yeah, I'm not believing this stuff. Like whatever. believing this stuff. Like whatever. believing this stuff. Like whatever. Like I was all right, I'm going to play Like I was all right, I'm going to play Like I was all right, I'm going to play around with it.

01:30:49around with it. around with it. Yeah. And so I'm walking around. So we Yeah. And so I'm walking around. So we Yeah. And so I'm walking around. So we go to the gorilla and we get close to go to the gorilla and we get close to go to the gorilla and we get close to them and I made that sound cuz we were them and I made that sound cuz we were them and I made that sound cuz we were told them to make that sound. And then told them to make that sound. And then told them to make that sound. And then the gorilla did it back. the gorilla did it back. the gorilla did it back. And it was just unbelievable. And then And it was just unbelievable. And then

01:30:59And it was just unbelievable. And then there was this one moment where we were there was this one moment where we were there was this one moment where we were walking and we were literally surrounded walking and we were literally surrounded walking and we were literally surrounded by gorillas. Now I was getting a And by gorillas. Now I was getting a And by gorillas. Now I was getting a And that's when I was like a bit scared that's when I was like a bit scared that's when I was like a bit scared because they were like all around us. because they were like all around us. because they were like all around us. And like literally if they run at you, And like literally if they run at you,

01:31:09And like literally if they run at you, like I'm done, right? You know? like I'm done, right? You know? like I'm done, right? You know? you can do. you can do. you can do. Nothing, nothing you can do. And so Nothing, nothing you can do. And so Nothing, nothing you can do. And so we're walking, they're walking around us we're walking, they're walking around us we're walking, they're walking around us and this massive silverback came up. So and this massive silverback came up. So and this massive silverback came up. So I'm my business manager was with me as I'm my business manager was with me as I'm my business manager was with me as well. And so he's there. He's like my

01:31:21well. And so he's there. He's like my well. And so he's there. He's like my godfather in LA. Like he really takes godfather in LA. Like he really takes godfather in LA. Like he really takes care of me. Very close to him. And so care of me. Very close to him. And so care of me. Very close to him. And so this big this big this big this big gorilla walks behind him and this big gorilla walks behind him and this big gorilla walks behind him and I'm looking at him going, "Oh man." Like I'm looking at him going, "Oh man." Like I'm looking at him going, "Oh man." Like he stopped. And we're all looking at him he stopped. And we're all looking at him

01:31:36he stopped. And we're all looking at him cuz he's got this massive silverback cuz he's got this massive silverback cuz he's got this massive silverback behind him. And I'm And we're all like, behind him. And I'm And we're all like, behind him. And I'm And we're all like, "How do we tell him to move?" And the "How do we tell him to move?" And the "How do we tell him to move?" And the guy's like, "Just be still. Like just, guy's like, "Just be still. Like just, guy's like, "Just be still. Like just, you know, be really present. Like you you know, be really present. Like you you know, be really present. Like you can't freak out." And the gorilla just can't freak out." And the gorilla just

01:31:45can't freak out." And the gorilla just went went went Wow. Wow. Wow. behind him and he moved out the way and behind him and he moved out the way and behind him and he moved out the way and just walked past. And it was just It was just walked past. And it was just It was just walked past. And it was just It was that same presence that you were feeling that same presence that you were feeling that same presence that you were feeling that I felt with them. And that's what I that I felt with them. And that's what I that I felt with them. And that's what I mean, the living being with another mean, the living being with another mean, the living being with another living being living being

01:31:57living being is is spectacular. So Do you think that is is spectacular. So Do you think that is is spectacular. So Do you think that level of ease comes from level of ease comes from level of ease comes from the helpless nature of being in the the helpless nature of being in the the helpless nature of being in the presence of an animal that could do to presence of an animal that could do to presence of an animal that could do to you whatever they want to. Like I think you whatever they want to. Like I think you whatever they want to. Like I think part of the reason why I felt so calm part of the reason why I felt so calm

01:32:11part of the reason why I felt so calm when the whale had come up was because when the whale had come up was because when the whale had come up was because there was nothing we could do there was nothing we could do there was nothing we could do should it go sideways. Yeah. And I think should it go sideways. Yeah. And I think should it go sideways. Yeah. And I think being almost finding that kind of inner being almost finding that kind of inner being almost finding that kind of inner peace of like I've made my mind this is peace of like I've made my mind this is peace of like I've made my mind this is the choices I've made. I'm here now. the choices I've made. I'm here now.

01:32:27the choices I've made. I'm here now. There's nothing I can do. There's nothing I can do. There's nothing I can do. It's almost like you should make peace It's almost like you should make peace It's almost like you should make peace with your choices, I guess. Yeah. I with your choices, I guess. Yeah. I with your choices, I guess. Yeah. I don't know. don't know. don't know. No, no, no. I think that's I think No, no, no. I think that's I think No, no, no. I think that's I think you've actually taken it somewhere you've actually taken it somewhere you've actually taken it somewhere really beautiful, mate. I I think for me really beautiful, mate. I I think for me

01:32:37really beautiful, mate. I I think for me as well, it's humility. Yeah, that's as well, it's humility. Yeah, that's as well, it's humility. Yeah, that's what And like when you when you meet what And like when you when you meet what And like when you when you meet someone new, rarely are we humble. Sure. someone new, rarely are we humble. Sure. someone new, rarely are we humble. Sure. We we often feel the pressure to be like We we often feel the pressure to be like We we often feel the pressure to be like or look at who I am or like, you know, or look at who I am or like, you know, or look at who I am or like, you know, or we're trying to create even if it's

01:32:48or we're trying to create even if it's or we're trying to create even if it's not of ego, there's a certain sense of not of ego, there's a certain sense of not of ego, there's a certain sense of like wanting to gain people's like and like wanting to gain people's like and like wanting to gain people's like and respect. respect. respect. Yeah, and you want to impress people. No Yeah, and you want to impress people. No Yeah, and you want to impress people. No matter what I do, this whale or gorilla matter what I do, this whale or gorilla matter what I do, this whale or gorilla is not going to like or respect me. is not going to like or respect me.

01:32:59is not going to like or respect me. Sure. So I better just be humble about Sure. So I better just be humble about Sure. So I better just be humble about it and at peace as you said. it and at peace as you said. it and at peace as you said. And it levels you. And it levels you. And it levels you. And it levels you and it and it allows And it levels you and it and it allows And it levels you and it and it allows that human being that that being also, that human being that that being also, that human being that that being also, of course, it's not, you know, of course, it's not, you know, of course, it's not, you know, of course, we're not record there's no

01:33:10of course, we're not record there's no of course, we're not record there's no we're not recommending that you just go we're not recommending that you just go we're not recommending that you just go into these places on our into these places on our into these places on our Oh, yeah. Yeah, but the idea being that Oh, yeah. Yeah, but the idea being that Oh, yeah. Yeah, but the idea being that I do think there's something magical I do think there's something magical I do think there's something magical about nature where about nature where about nature where humility is kind of nature's way. Mhm. humility is kind of nature's way. Mhm.

01:33:21humility is kind of nature's way. Mhm. And it is that what you're saying that And it is that what you're saying that And it is that what you're saying that when you're at peace with your choices when you're at peace with your choices when you're at peace with your choices and you're at peace with here we are, and you're at peace with here we are, and you're at peace with here we are, here I am. I can't do anything and guess here I am. I can't do anything and guess here I am. I can't do anything and guess what? It's okay. what? It's okay. what? It's okay. Right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

01:33:31Right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's somewhat sort of like I've made a It's somewhat sort of like I've made a It's somewhat sort of like I've made a decision. If the decision is a mistake, decision. If the decision is a mistake, decision. If the decision is a mistake, you got to live with it cuz you made it, you got to live with it cuz you made it, you got to live with it cuz you made it, I guess. I want to talk about sports cuz I guess. I want to talk about sports cuz I guess. I want to talk about sports cuz I was thinking so I I play a lot of I was thinking so I I play a lot of I was thinking so I I play a lot of tennis, play a lot of football. I play a

01:33:41tennis, play a lot of football. I play a tennis, play a lot of football. I play a lot of pickleball now. You play a lot of lot of pickleball now. You play a lot of lot of pickleball now. You play a lot of pickleball because that's that's a pickleball because that's that's a pickleball because that's that's a become a thing in LA. become a thing in LA. become a thing in LA. But but I'm massively more into paddle. But but I'm massively more into paddle. But but I'm massively more into paddle. I don't think you've ever I love paddle I don't think you've ever I love paddle I don't think you've ever I love paddle tennis. tennis. tennis. paddle. Paddle tennis is so fun. I want

01:33:52paddle. Paddle tennis is so fun. I want paddle. Paddle tennis is so fun. I want that to blow up in the US, but it's not that to blow up in the US, but it's not that to blow up in the US, but it's not going to. So when I went to Dubai and I going to. So when I went to Dubai and I going to. So when I went to Dubai and I went to Miami and I went to Madrid cuz went to Miami and I went to Madrid cuz went to Miami and I went to Madrid cuz they're big in Spain. Mate. Are they they're big in Spain. Mate. Are they they're big in Spain. Mate. Are they playing it here? Yeah? My local tennis playing it here? Yeah? My local tennis

01:34:02playing it here? Yeah? My local tennis club has got two courts. And like you club has got two courts. And like you club has got two courts. And like you can't book them. They're so sold out. can't book them. They're so sold out. can't book them. They're so sold out. All right. Honestly, paddle tennis, I All right. Honestly, paddle tennis, I All right. Honestly, paddle tennis, I love tennis. love tennis. love tennis. Yeah. I think tennis is one of the best Yeah. I think tennis is one of the best Yeah. I think tennis is one of the best sports in the world. And I think that, sports in the world. And I think that, sports in the world. And I think that, you know, they are the highest

01:34:13you know, they are the highest you know, they are the highest performing athletes, some of in the performing athletes, some of in the performing athletes, some of in the world. world. world. But it's really hard, tennis. Like I But it's really hard, tennis. Like I But it's really hard, tennis. Like I find unless I'm playing with someone find unless I'm playing with someone find unless I'm playing with someone who's much better than me, I don't play who's much better than me, I don't play who's much better than me, I don't play well. well. well. Like I really I I need to be chasing Like I really I I need to be chasing Like I really I I need to be chasing someone. Yeah. Paddle tennis is so

01:34:28someone. Yeah. Paddle tennis is so someone. Yeah. Paddle tennis is so social. It's it's easy to have great social. It's it's easy to have great social. It's it's easy to have great rallies. You still get the the rallies. You still get the the rallies. You still get the the the satisfaction of really smacking a the satisfaction of really smacking a the satisfaction of really smacking a ball. Cuz pickle is ball. Cuz pickle is ball. Cuz pickle is it's all about placement and and trying it's all about placement and and trying it's all about placement and and trying to kind of one up your opponent. Whereas to kind of one up your opponent. Whereas

01:34:41to kind of one up your opponent. Whereas at the kitchen and just doing the dink. at the kitchen and just doing the dink. at the kitchen and just doing the dink. Yeah. Why is it called a kitchen? Yeah. Why is it called a kitchen? Yeah. Why is it called a kitchen? no idea. And I That's So, I play pickle no idea. And I That's So, I play pickle no idea. And I That's So, I play pickle like paddle. Right. Cuz I'm I'm like, like paddle. Right. Cuz I'm I'm like, like paddle. Right. Cuz I'm I'm like, no. I'm going to play yeah. no. I'm going to play yeah. no. I'm going to play yeah. It's like, why? I do like pickle. Um but It's like, why? I do like pickle. Um but

01:34:55It's like, why? I do like pickle. Um but paddle tennis now. paddle tennis now. paddle tennis now. Paddle's amazing. Next time, yeah, yeah. Paddle's amazing. Next time, yeah, yeah. Paddle's amazing. Next time, yeah, yeah. Paddle's Paddle's one of my favorite Paddle's Paddle's one of my favorite Paddle's Paddle's one of my favorite favorite. I was in Dubai with a client favorite. I was in Dubai with a client favorite. I was in Dubai with a client for work for months a couple of years for work for months a couple of years for work for months a couple of years back. I played it every day for 3 back. I played it every day for 3 back. I played it every day for 3 months. It's great exercise.

01:35:07months. It's great exercise. months. It's great exercise. Yeah, it's the best workout, the most Yeah, it's the best workout, the most Yeah, it's the best workout, the most fun. Like time just flew. It's amazing. fun. Like time just flew. It's amazing. fun. Like time just flew. It's amazing. But I was bringing it back to sports But I was bringing it back to sports But I was bringing it back to sports because I was saying I was saying, you because I was saying I was saying, you because I was saying I was saying, you know, you you personally tried to know, you you personally tried to know, you you personally tried to recruit Mbappé for Tottenham. recruit Mbappé for Tottenham.

01:35:18recruit Mbappé for Tottenham. I did, yeah. And and I just thought that I did, yeah. And and I just thought that I did, yeah. And and I just thought that was amazing because I was like, I've was amazing because I was like, I've was amazing because I was like, I've never seen this ever happen before never seen this ever happen before never seen this ever happen before where, you know, someone is using their where, you know, someone is using their where, you know, someone is using their clout in the right way. Listen, I saw clout in the right way. Listen, I saw clout in the right way. Listen, I saw him. I'm a mad Tottenham fan. And I just him. I'm a mad Tottenham fan. And I just

01:35:30him. I'm a mad Tottenham fan. And I just thought now's my chance. And he said, thought now's my chance. And he said, thought now's my chance. And he said, "No." "No." "No." The deal didn't go through. No signing The deal didn't go through. No signing The deal didn't go through. No signing bonus for myself. bonus for myself. bonus for myself. That was a crazy trip that going to the That was a crazy trip that going to the That was a crazy trip that going to the Ballon d'Or. Yeah. We were there for Ballon d'Or. Yeah. We were there for Ballon d'Or. Yeah. We were there for Spider-Man. Spider-Man was coming out. Spider-Man. Spider-Man was coming out.

01:35:42Spider-Man. Spider-Man was coming out. I'm not really sure how that was promo I'm not really sure how that was promo I'm not really sure how that was promo for Spider-Man, but like it was part of for Spider-Man, but like it was part of for Spider-Man, but like it was part of our trip for some reason. But it was our trip for some reason. But it was our trip for some reason. But it was amazing meeting these players. And and I amazing meeting these players. And and I amazing meeting these players. And and I admire them so much. when you can notice admire them so much. when you can notice admire them so much. when you can notice other athletes athletes and other other athletes athletes and other

01:35:54other athletes athletes and other greatness. And I see that at the top. We greatness. And I see that at the top. We greatness. And I see that at the top. We talk We've talked a lot today about and talk We've talked a lot today about and talk We've talked a lot today about and and you're really good at this. Like you and you're really good at this. Like you and you're really good at this. Like you really I feel like really I feel like really I feel like I feel like you're quite tuned in to I feel like you're quite tuned in to I feel like you're quite tuned in to like like like admiring and observing greatness and admiring and observing greatness and

01:36:06admiring and observing greatness and like the 1% and and trying to figure out like the 1% and and trying to figure out like the 1% and and trying to figure out what they're doing differently. And I what they're doing differently. And I what they're doing differently. And I think that's one of the things I've think that's one of the things I've think that's one of the things I've definitely seen of the 1% is that definitely seen of the 1% is that definitely seen of the 1% is that there's a humility in that they have the there's a humility in that they have the there's a humility in that they have the ability to appreciate other people's ability to appreciate other people's

01:36:17ability to appreciate other people's greatness and skills and values and greatness and skills and values and greatness and skills and values and purpose. Like they're not looking at it purpose. Like they're not looking at it purpose. Like they're not looking at it going I'm the best of all time. Sure. going I'm the best of all time. Sure. going I'm the best of all time. Sure. There's a part of that They They may There's a part of that They They may There's a part of that They They may have to say that for the cameras or they have to say that for the cameras or they have to say that for the cameras or they may have to say that before they go on may have to say that before they go on

01:36:27may have to say that before they go on the pitch. But actually if you talk to the pitch. But actually if you talk to the pitch. But actually if you talk to them and you ask them about someone them and you ask them about someone them and you ask them about someone else, they'll be like, "Yeah, best best else, they'll be like, "Yeah, best best else, they'll be like, "Yeah, best best player I've ever seen. Like they're player I've ever seen. Like they're player I've ever seen. Like they're incredible." And so who did you admire incredible." And so who did you admire incredible." And so who did you admire growing up in acting? Who do you admire growing up in acting? Who do you admire

01:36:37growing up in acting? Who do you admire today? Like who have been the people today? Like who have been the people today? Like who have been the people that And maybe on a mindset level or that And maybe on a mindset level or that And maybe on a mindset level or maybe on a maybe on a maybe on a or or a performance level as well. There or or a performance level as well. There or or a performance level as well. There are definitely performances of people are definitely performances of people are definitely performances of people that I look up to. There are There are that I look up to. There are There are that I look up to. There are There are the types of careers of certain actors

01:36:49the types of careers of certain actors the types of careers of certain actors that I really admire. There are also that I really admire. There are also that I really admire. There are also like like like the the types of lives that certain the the types of lives that certain the the types of lives that certain people lead that I really admire and people lead that I really admire and people lead that I really admire and that I really aspire to sort of be like. that I really aspire to sort of be like. that I really aspire to sort of be like. Um Um Um I tend to I tend to I tend to let all of my admiration go towards let all of my admiration go towards

01:37:03let all of my admiration go towards athletes. I'm just so blown away by what athletes. I'm just so blown away by what athletes. I'm just so blown away by what they can do under the pressure that they can do under the pressure that they can do under the pressure that they're under. Me as an actor, I realize they're under. Me as an actor, I realize they're under. Me as an actor, I realize that my job is a high-pressure job that my job is a high-pressure job that my job is a high-pressure job because it because it because it reaches millions of people. reaches millions of people. reaches millions of people. But that said, there are so many people But that said, there are so many people

01:37:20But that said, there are so many people that help me get to where I need to be. that help me get to where I need to be. that help me get to where I need to be. I get picked up. Someone makes me I get picked up. Someone makes me I get picked up. Someone makes me breakfast. Someone writes the words that breakfast. Someone writes the words that breakfast. Someone writes the words that I'm supposed to say. Someone chooses my I'm supposed to say. Someone chooses my I'm supposed to say. Someone chooses my costume. Someone does my hair and costume. Someone does my hair and costume. Someone does my hair and makeup. Someone sets the camera up. makeup. Someone sets the camera up.

01:37:32makeup. Someone sets the camera up. Ultimately, I walk onto set and I do my Ultimately, I walk onto set and I do my Ultimately, I walk onto set and I do my bit. But I'm a small part in a massive bit. But I'm a small part in a massive bit. But I'm a small part in a massive machine. machine. machine. But when you look at someone like But when you look at someone like But when you look at someone like Djokovic or Federer or, you know, this Djokovic or Federer or, you know, this Djokovic or Federer or, you know, this new Alcaraz new Alcaraz new Alcaraz or the golfers or or Lewis or the golfers or or Lewis or the golfers or or Lewis Lewis is slightly different because

01:37:48Lewis is slightly different because Lewis is slightly different because Formula 1 is so much about the team and Formula 1 is so much about the team and Formula 1 is so much about the team and the car and all that sort of stuff. the car and all that sort of stuff. the car and all that sort of stuff. They have to do it themselves at a They have to do it themselves at a They have to do it themselves at a certain point. There's only so much help certain point. There's only so much help certain point. There's only so much help they can get, but then when they walk they can get, but then when they walk they can get, but then when they walk onto that court for the first time, when

01:37:59onto that court for the first time, when onto that court for the first time, when they walk into the ring or into the they walk into the ring or into the they walk into the ring or into the octagon, octagon, octagon, it's them by themselves. They're under it's them by themselves. They're under it's them by themselves. They're under that amount of pressure. It's up to them that amount of pressure. It's up to them that amount of pressure. It's up to them whether they deliver or not. And I just whether they deliver or not. And I just whether they deliver or not. And I just have always been admiring of have always been admiring of

01:38:09have always been admiring of seeing some of the greats lose their win seeing some of the greats lose their win seeing some of the greats lose their win streak and come back even stronger. I've streak and come back even stronger. I've streak and come back even stronger. I've always really been an admirer of people always really been an admirer of people always really been an admirer of people that are able to do that. I think it's a that are able to do that. I think it's a that are able to do that. I think it's a folly when you see these win streaks of folly when you see these win streaks of folly when you see these win streaks of 50 and 0 and all that sort of stuff and

01:38:2150 and 0 and all that sort of stuff and 50 and 0 and all that sort of stuff and you're like, well, you're like, well, you're like, well, that to me isn't what a champion is. A that to me isn't what a champion is. A that to me isn't what a champion is. A champion is someone who had it all, lost champion is someone who had it all, lost champion is someone who had it all, lost it all, and got it right back again. it all, and got it right back again. it all, and got it right back again. Tyson Fury's story is a crazy one. I'd Tyson Fury's story is a crazy one. I'd Tyson Fury's story is a crazy one. I'd love to see AJ come back and be on top love to see AJ come back and be on top

01:38:33love to see AJ come back and be on top again because I'd love to be alive to again because I'd love to be alive to again because I'd love to be alive to witness that legacy that he would leave witness that legacy that he would leave witness that legacy that he would leave behind, you know? I feel sorry for him behind, you know? I feel sorry for him behind, you know? I feel sorry for him what happened to him when he sort of what happened to him when he sort of what happened to him when he sort of seemed to really lose it a little bit in seemed to really lose it a little bit in seemed to really lose it a little bit in the ring when he took the microphone, the ring when he took the microphone,

01:38:45the ring when he took the microphone, and I'd love to see him back on top and and I'd love to see him back on top and and I'd love to see him back on top and to to have some clarity and and to be a to to have some clarity and and to be a to to have some clarity and and to be a champion again because I admire him as champion again because I admire him as champion again because I admire him as an athlete. So, I save most of my an athlete. So, I save most of my an athlete. So, I save most of my admiration for athletes. admiration for athletes. admiration for athletes. Yeah. And musicians. I love musicians. I Yeah. And musicians. I love musicians. I

01:38:57Yeah. And musicians. I love musicians. I see someone like Ed Sheeran Yeah, Ed see someone like Ed Sheeran Yeah, Ed see someone like Ed Sheeran Yeah, Ed Sheeran. Sheeran. Sheeran. people in the palm of his hand. I think people in the palm of his hand. I think people in the palm of his hand. I think comedians are comedians are comedians are equally as talented. The ability that equally as talented. The ability that equally as talented. The ability that they can just go on stage and make they can just go on stage and make they can just go on stage and make people laugh. That is terrifying. people laugh. That is terrifying. people laugh. That is terrifying. Actors for me, because it's what I do,

01:39:12Actors for me, because it's what I do, Actors for me, because it's what I do, Yeah, yeah. it's like, meh. Yeah, yeah. it's like, meh. Yeah, yeah. it's like, meh. You know what I Yeah, yeah. I get I get You know what I Yeah, yeah. I get I get You know what I Yeah, yeah. I get I get what you're saying. I get what you're what you're saying. I get what you're what you're saying. I get what you're saying. And and saying. And and saying. And and at the end of the day, it's just it's at the end of the day, it's just it's at the end of the day, it's just it's it's taking what you can from from what it's taking what you can from from what

01:39:22it's taking what you can from from what you aspire for, all right? Like you you you aspire for, all right? Like you you you aspire for, all right? Like you you can take something from all these can take something from all these can take something from all these people. And and what I love about it, people. And and what I love about it, people. And and what I love about it, some of these people, you know, some of some of these people, you know, some of some of these people, you know, some of these people you don't, but I always say these people you don't, but I always say these people you don't, but I always say to people who are listening and watching to people who are listening and watching

01:39:30to people who are listening and watching that you can be mentored by people that you can be mentored by people that you can be mentored by people you've never met. You're right. Totally. you've never met. You're right. Totally. you've never met. You're right. Totally. I think that's a really important skill I think that's a really important skill I think that's a really important skill to gain because I think we live in a to gain because I think we live in a to gain because I think we live in a world right now where somewhat access world right now where somewhat access world right now where somewhat access has come easier, and we always think we has come easier, and we always think we

01:39:42has come easier, and we always think we need access to people directly in order need access to people directly in order need access to people directly in order to learn from them, but you don't know to learn from them, but you don't know to learn from them, but you don't know everyone you've just mentioned, even everyone you've just mentioned, even everyone you've just mentioned, even though you may know a couple of them though you may know a couple of them though you may know a couple of them closely. And And same with me, like I closely. And And same with me, like I closely. And And same with me, like I was really fortunate, you know, growing was really fortunate, you know, growing

01:39:52was really fortunate, you know, growing up as a teenager, I got introduced to up as a teenager, I got introduced to up as a teenager, I got introduced to like Martin Luther King's work and like Martin Luther King's work and like Martin Luther King's work and Malcolm X's work, and Malcolm X's work, and Malcolm X's work, and I was reading crazy stuff at that age, I was reading crazy stuff at that age, I was reading crazy stuff at that age, but it had a massive impact on my but it had a massive impact on my but it had a massive impact on my mindset. I never met all these people, mindset. I never met all these people, mindset. I never met all these people, and obviously would never have got the

01:40:04and obviously would never have got the and obviously would never have got the opportunity to do that, but I feel opportunity to do that, but I feel opportunity to do that, but I feel mentored by them mentored by them mentored by them Yeah, wow. Yeah, wow. Yeah, wow. without ever having sat in the same room without ever having sat in the same room without ever having sat in the same room as them, because you study like how they as them, because you study like how they as them, because you study like how they made decisions, and you study what they made decisions, and you study what they made decisions, and you study what they said and what they wrote. said and what they wrote.

01:40:15said and what they wrote. for. for. for. What they stood for, and how and and and What they stood for, and how and and and What they stood for, and how and and and the parts that you don't hear through the parts that you don't hear through the parts that you don't hear through history, the parts that were actually history, the parts that were actually history, the parts that were actually more difficult, and the parts where they more difficult, and the parts where they more difficult, and the parts where they weren't the perfect hero. weren't the perfect hero. weren't the perfect hero. Right. Right. Right. And so, all of that kind of stuff. But, And so, all of that kind of stuff. But,

01:40:26And so, all of that kind of stuff. But, Tom, before we go to the final five, Tom, before we go to the final five, Tom, before we go to the final five, you've been so gracious with your time you've been so gracious with your time you've been so gracious with your time today. I have to ask you if if you want today. I have to ask you if if you want today. I have to ask you if if you want to clarify the Harry Kane situation, to clarify the Harry Kane situation, to clarify the Harry Kane situation, because I'll tell you why. The reason because I'll tell you why. The reason because I'll tell you why. The reason why I say this is I had the dream. So, why I say this is I had the dream. So,

01:40:36why I say this is I had the dream. So, I'm a Manchester United supporter. I'm a Manchester United supporter. I'm a Manchester United supporter. Everyone in my community knows that very Everyone in my community knows that very Everyone in my community knows that very well. Right. well. Right. well. Right. I have always had the dream that Harry I have always had the dream that Harry I have always had the dream that Harry Kane, when Wayne Rooney retired, Harry Kane, when Wayne Rooney retired, Harry Kane, when Wayne Rooney retired, Harry Kane was going to come to Manchester Kane was going to come to Manchester Kane was going to come to Manchester United. Okay. United. Okay.

01:40:48United. Okay. was going to follow in the footsteps of was going to follow in the footsteps of was going to follow in the footsteps of all the great England forwards that have all the great England forwards that have all the great England forwards that have played at Manchester United. played at Manchester United. played at Manchester United. That didn't happen. Right. That didn't happen. Right. That didn't happen. Right. still holding on to that dream. But, you still holding on to that dream. But, you still holding on to that dream. But, you want him to go somewhere else. Well, want him to go somewhere else. Well, want him to go somewhere else. Well, listen. listen.

01:41:00listen. Listen. Let me just clarify, right? I Listen. Let me just clarify, right? I Listen. Let me just clarify, right? I love Harry Kane. I love Heung-Min Son. love Harry Kane. I love Heung-Min Son. love Harry Kane. I love Heung-Min Son. Heung-Min Son is my favorite football Heung-Min Son is my favorite football Heung-Min Son is my favorite football player. He is a hero. player. He is a hero. player. He is a hero. I love Tottenham. I'm a big Tottenham I love Tottenham. I'm a big Tottenham I love Tottenham. I'm a big Tottenham fan. But, I just I know that those fan. But, I just I know that those fan. But, I just I know that those players could thrive and have players could thrive and have

01:41:14players could thrive and have the best careers ever. the best careers ever. the best careers ever. don't. don't. don't. I just want to see I want to see Harry I just want to see I want to see Harry I just want to see I want to see Harry lifting a trophy, and I want to see Son lifting a trophy, and I want to see Son lifting a trophy, and I want to see Son there by him, and and and I just don't there by him, and and and I just don't there by him, and and and I just don't think Tottenham think Tottenham think Tottenham Yeah, you're rooting for the individual. Yeah, you're rooting for the individual. Yeah, you're rooting for the individual. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:41:27Yeah. I'll always be a Tottenham fan. I you I'll always be a Tottenham fan. I you I'll always be a Tottenham fan. I you know, I love being a Spurs fan. My know, I love being a Spurs fan. My know, I love being a Spurs fan. My brother Harry and I, you know, we've brother Harry and I, you know, we've brother Harry and I, you know, we've really bonded over it. But, I I just, really bonded over it. But, I I just, really bonded over it. But, I I just, you know, Harry Kane's one of the best you know, Harry Kane's one of the best you know, Harry Kane's one of the best strikers in the world. And um, he would strikers in the world. And um, he would

01:41:37strikers in the world. And um, he would fit into almost any team, and I'd love fit into almost any team, and I'd love fit into almost any team, and I'd love to see him on top. And I interesting to see him on top. And I interesting to see him on top. And I interesting question, question, question, do you think he would have had a similar do you think he would have had a similar do you think he would have had a similar season to Haaland had he gone to City? season to Haaland had he gone to City? season to Haaland had he gone to City? Ooh. Ooh, that's uh Ooh. Ooh, that's uh Ooh. Ooh, that's uh I I personally think I I personally think I I personally think Cuz I think Haaland's amazing.

01:41:56Cuz I think Haaland's amazing. Cuz I think Haaland's amazing. I think Haaland with his age, his I think Haaland with his age, his I think Haaland with his age, his strength, and his mentality, you know strength, and his mentality, you know strength, and his mentality, you know what's crazy about Haaland is I saw this what's crazy about Haaland is I saw this what's crazy about Haaland is I saw this interview interview interview and you know, obviously I hate it hurts and you know, obviously I hate it hurts and you know, obviously I hate it hurts me to say it, but me to say it, but me to say it, but City and all, but City and all, but City and all, but when Haaland did this interview, he just

01:42:10when Haaland did this interview, he just when Haaland did this interview, he just scored like I can't remember which game scored like I can't remember which game scored like I can't remember which game it was. He's unbelievable. it was. He's unbelievable. it was. He's unbelievable. He scored like five goals that game, and He scored like five goals that game, and He scored like five goals that game, and he was like, "I should have had seven." he was like, "I should have had seven." he was like, "I should have had seven." And and the interviewer was like, "Come And and the interviewer was like, "Come And and the interviewer was like, "Come on, though. Take some credit. Like you

01:42:19on, though. Take some credit. Like you on, though. Take some credit. Like you scored five goals." And he was like, scored five goals." And he was like, scored five goals." And he was like, "Yeah, I'm I'm happy with that, but he "Yeah, I'm I'm happy with that, but he "Yeah, I'm I'm happy with that, but he goes, you know, there were a couple of goes, you know, there were a couple of goes, you know, there were a couple of assists that should have gone in." And I assists that should have gone in." And I assists that should have gone in." And I thought that mentality thought that mentality thought that mentality Mhm. Yeah, that's what I mean his Mhm. Yeah, that's what I mean his

01:42:27Mhm. Yeah, that's what I mean his mindset. mindset. mindset. when his mindset, I was like he was he when his mindset, I was like he was he when his mindset, I was like he was he knew exactly which opportunities he knew exactly which opportunities he knew exactly which opportunities he missed, and I was like so I think it's missed, and I was like so I think it's missed, and I was like so I think it's an age thing. I think it's a strength an age thing. I think it's a strength an age thing. I think it's a strength thing. I feel like Haaland's kind of thing. I feel like Haaland's kind of thing. I feel like Haaland's kind of like I've always compared Haaland to

01:42:37like I've always compared Haaland to like I've always compared Haaland to like Ivan Drago. Like he was made in a like Ivan Drago. Like he was made in a like Ivan Drago. Like he was made in a lab. lab. lab. Right, right, right, right. Right, right, right, right. Right, right, right, right. Like he was made. Like he was Like he was made. Like he was Like he was made. Like he was manufactured to be this incredible manufactured to be this incredible manufactured to be this incredible talent. And I think City's good with talent. And I think City's good with talent. And I think City's good with like he he admits like he scores a lot like he he admits like he scores a lot

01:42:46like he he admits like he scores a lot of tap-ins, and I think that's his game. of tap-ins, and I think that's his game. of tap-ins, and I think that's his game. Yeah, but mate, there's no pictures on a Yeah, but mate, there's no pictures on a Yeah, but mate, there's no pictures on a scorecard, you know? scorecard, you know? scorecard, you know? a good way. I'm saying I'm saying like a good way. I'm saying I'm saying like a good way. I'm saying I'm saying like he's been built in that way, and City he's been built in that way, and City he's been built in that way, and City play that way. I don't know if Kane's a play that way. I don't know if Kane's a

01:42:55play that way. I don't know if Kane's a tapping guy. Like he's he's he's scored tapping guy. Like he's he's he's scored tapping guy. Like he's he's he's scored his goals have generally been a bit more his goals have generally been a bit more his goals have generally been a bit more diverse in that sense. diverse in that sense. diverse in that sense. Magic. Yeah. Magic is the way I would Magic. Yeah. Magic is the way I would Magic. Yeah. Magic is the way I would describe Kane. Yeah. No, I love I love describe Kane. Yeah. No, I love I love describe Kane. Yeah. No, I love I love him. And obviously it's a typical thing him. And obviously it's a typical thing

01:43:06him. And obviously it's a typical thing of like the press are out saying, "Oh, of like the press are out saying, "Oh, of like the press are out saying, "Oh, Tom Holland's begging Kane to leave." Tom Holland's begging Kane to leave." Tom Holland's begging Kane to leave." I'm not begging him to leave. I love I'm not begging him to leave. I love I'm not begging him to leave. I love that he's at our club because I'd be that he's at our club because I'd be that he's at our club because I'd be terrified to see where we'd be without terrified to see where we'd be without terrified to see where we'd be without him. But I just love to see him have the him. But I just love to see him have the

01:43:16him. But I just love to see him have the career I know he can have. What do you career I know he can have. What do you career I know he can have. What do you think of Jude Bellingham to Madrid? I think of Jude Bellingham to Madrid? I think of Jude Bellingham to Madrid? I think that's a great move. I love that. think that's a great move. I love that. think that's a great move. I love that. He just wants everyone to do that. He just wants everyone to do that. He just wants everyone to do that. that. And what's he What's interesting that. And what's he What's interesting that. And what's he What's interesting is that all of my friends in Spain are is that all of my friends in Spain are

01:43:26is that all of my friends in Spain are from Barcelona. I have one friend from from Barcelona. I have one friend from from Barcelona. I have one friend from Madrid. I've always been a big Barca Madrid. I've always been a big Barca Madrid. I've always been a big Barca supporter because I used to go to supporter because I used to go to supporter because I used to go to Barcelona all the time as a kid. I had a Barcelona all the time as a kid. I had a Barcelona all the time as a kid. I had a few weekends where I'd say to my mom and few weekends where I'd say to my mom and few weekends where I'd say to my mom and dad, "I'm going to my friend's house." dad, "I'm going to my friend's house."

01:43:36dad, "I'm going to my friend's house." and I would go to Barcelona. How did you pull that off, mate? Just How did you pull that off, mate? Just sneaky, mate. If I told my Indian sneaky, mate. If I told my Indian sneaky, mate. If I told my Indian parents that, I was like they they know parents that, I was like they they know parents that, I was like they they know the dial tone straight away. Mate, I got the dial tone straight away. Mate, I got the dial tone straight away. Mate, I got caught. My mom called me up and was caught. My mom called me up and was caught. My mom called me up and was like, "Where are you?" I was I was like, "Where are you?" I was I was

01:43:51like, "Where are you?" I was I was trying to say I was at my friend's trying to say I was at my friend's trying to say I was at my friend's house. She said, "No, you're not cuz I'm house. She said, "No, you're not cuz I'm house. She said, "No, you're not cuz I'm here." And I was in Las Ramblas in here." And I was in Las Ramblas in here." And I was in Las Ramblas in Barcelona. Um but I just I just love Barcelona. Um but I just I just love Barcelona. Um but I just I just love players I think Griezmann is amazing and players I think Griezmann is amazing and players I think Griezmann is amazing and you know, I just love to see what he you know, I just love to see what he

01:44:03you know, I just love to see what he could do there. I think it's The thing could do there. I think it's The thing could do there. I think it's The thing for me is I love legacy. I love seeing for me is I love legacy. I love seeing for me is I love legacy. I love seeing what players can do. I'm less about the what players can do. I'm less about the what players can do. I'm less about the teams. It's what I love about tennis or teams. It's what I love about tennis or teams. It's what I love about tennis or golf, you know, it's not about the team. golf, you know, it's not about the team. golf, you know, it's not about the team. It's about the player. So, I would just

01:44:13It's about the player. So, I would just It's about the player. So, I would just love to see what he could do there. And love to see what he could do there. And love to see what he could do there. And you know, I'm sure one day we'll see you know, I'm sure one day we'll see you know, I'm sure one day we'll see England raise a trophy and and I we've England raise a trophy and and I we've England raise a trophy and and I we've got such a great young team and and um got such a great young team and and um got such a great young team and and um I admire them all, but yeah, I think I admire them all, but yeah, I think I admire them all, but yeah, I think it's a great move for him. And he's only

01:44:26it's a great move for him. And he's only it's a great move for him. And he's only 19 or something like that. It's insane. 19 or something like that. It's insane. 19 or something like that. It's insane. Yeah, he's 19. Yeah, he's 19. Yeah, he's 19. That's wild. He's a year older than my That's wild. He's a year older than my That's wild. He's a year older than my brother, Paddy. That's mental. Mate, brother, Paddy. That's mental. Mate, brother, Paddy. That's mental. Mate, you've been amazing today, honestly. you've been amazing today, honestly. you've been amazing today, honestly. Like this is Like this is Like this is Yeah, this has been some of the most fun

01:44:38Yeah, this has been some of the most fun Yeah, this has been some of the most fun I've had in a long time. So, thank you. I've had in a long time. So, thank you. I've had in a long time. So, thank you. you. I appreciate it. But I want to ask you. I appreciate it. But I want to ask you. I appreciate it. But I want to ask We ask everyone the final five and so We ask everyone the final five and so We ask everyone the final five and so these are the fast five questions, which these are the fast five questions, which these are the fast five questions, which means answers have to be one word to one means answers have to be one word to one

01:44:47means answers have to be one word to one sentence maximum. No more than that. sentence maximum. No more than that. sentence maximum. No more than that. Okay. Uh and you don't have to write or Okay. Uh and you don't have to write or Okay. Uh and you don't have to write or spell them out. So, no no no problem. spell them out. So, no no no problem. spell them out. So, no no no problem. So, no no no So, no no no So, no no no none of that. All right, so Tom Holland, none of that. All right, so Tom Holland, none of that. All right, so Tom Holland, these are your final five. these are your final five. these are your final five. Uh question one, what is the best advice

01:45:01Uh question one, what is the best advice Uh question one, what is the best advice you've ever received? It's to turn your you've ever received? It's to turn your you've ever received? It's to turn your nerves into excitement. I like that. nerves into excitement. I like that. nerves into excitement. I like that. That would never happen on the show. I That would never happen on the show. I That would never happen on the show. I love that. All right, second question. love that. All right, second question. love that. All right, second question. What is the worst advice you've ever What is the worst advice you've ever What is the worst advice you've ever received? Move to LA, get a marijuana

01:45:12received? Move to LA, get a marijuana received? Move to LA, get a marijuana license and buy a hot tub. Who told you license and buy a hot tub. Who told you license and buy a hot tub. Who told you that? Mark Wahlberg. that? Mark Wahlberg. that? Mark Wahlberg. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. No, he told me that on a chat show, so I No, he told me that on a chat show, so I No, he told me that on a chat show, so I don't know if that was legit advice, but don't know if that was legit advice, but don't know if that was legit advice, but I didn't take his advice. Okay, good. I didn't take his advice. Okay, good. I didn't take his advice. Okay, good. Well, Well,

01:45:25Well, who would you have been if you took that who would you have been if you took that who would you have been if you took that advice? Who knows? Who knows? All right, advice? Who knows? Who knows? All right, advice? Who knows? Who knows? All right, question number three. What's the first question number three. What's the first question number three. What's the first thing you do every morning and the last thing you do every morning and the last thing you do every morning and the last thing you do every night? Make my bed. thing you do every night? Make my bed. thing you do every night? Make my bed. It's the first thing I do. And the last It's the first thing I do. And the last

01:45:36It's the first thing I do. And the last thing I do before I go to bed, thing I do before I go to bed, thing I do before I go to bed, admittedly, is I check my emails, which admittedly, is I check my emails, which admittedly, is I check my emails, which I shouldn't do. I shouldn't do. I shouldn't do. But that is what I do. Yeah, it's bad. But that is what I do. Yeah, it's bad. But that is what I do. Yeah, it's bad. Yeah, we asked that just to make you Yeah, we asked that just to make you Yeah, we asked that just to make you aware of what you need to change. aware of what you need to change. aware of what you need to change. I do need to change that. Making my bed

01:45:47I do need to change that. Making my bed I do need to change that. Making my bed is a good start. I used to never do is a good start. I used to never do is a good start. I used to never do that. And now, like, my first thing I do that. And now, like, my first thing I do that. And now, like, my first thing I do is I make my bed. That's like my first is I make my bed. That's like my first is I make my bed. That's like my first challenge of the day. It's a good It's challenge of the day. It's a good It's challenge of the day. It's a good It's an easy one to get done. Question four, an easy one to get done. Question four,

01:45:57an easy one to get done. Question four, what's something you're trying to learn what's something you're trying to learn what's something you're trying to learn at the moment? at the moment? at the moment? I'm currently taking golf lessons. I'm currently taking golf lessons. I'm currently taking golf lessons. And uh We see a trend here. And uh We see a trend here. And uh We see a trend here. It's not going very well. All right, It's not going very well. All right, It's not going very well. All right, where where are you at at the moment? where where are you at at the moment? where where are you at at the moment? Thing is with golf is that the golf Thing is with golf is that the golf

01:46:09Thing is with golf is that the golf swing is a very, very particular swing is a very, very particular swing is a very, very particular thing. So, in order to get better, you thing. So, in order to get better, you thing. So, in order to get better, you do have to take quite a few steps do have to take quite a few steps do have to take quite a few steps backwards. I've taken maybe 25 steps backwards. I've taken maybe 25 steps backwards. I've taken maybe 25 steps backwards, but I will I will benefit backwards, but I will I will benefit backwards, but I will I will benefit from it eventually. Are you doing it from it eventually. Are you doing it from it eventually. Are you doing it every day?

01:46:25every day? every day? Every day. Not lessons every day, but I Every day. Not lessons every day, but I Every day. Not lessons every day, but I practice every day. I've always said practice every day. I've always said practice every day. I've always said that to my wife. I was like, "I want to that to my wife. I was like, "I want to that to my wife. I was like, "I want to go away for a month and I want to get a go away for a month and I want to get a go away for a month and I want to get a trainer. I'm going to play golf every trainer. I'm going to play golf every trainer. I'm going to play golf every single day." I mean, I know a great single day." I mean, I know a great

01:46:33single day." I mean, I know a great teacher. That's the only way I'd Yeah, teacher. That's the only way I'd Yeah, teacher. That's the only way I'd Yeah, that's the only way I had a really So, that's the only way I had a really So, that's the only way I had a really So, one of my clients took me to PXG in one of my clients took me to PXG in one of my clients took me to PXG in Arizona, which is like this beautiful Arizona, which is like this beautiful Arizona, which is like this beautiful place, Bob Parsons' place. place, Bob Parsons' place. place, Bob Parsons' place. And I had a coach there for 2 days. And And I had a coach there for 2 days. And

01:46:43And I had a coach there for 2 days. And I was like half decent after 2 days cuz I was like half decent after 2 days cuz I was like half decent after 2 days cuz the coach was so good. the coach was so good. the coach was so good. Yeah, mate. And when I got back to LA, I Yeah, mate. And when I got back to LA, I Yeah, mate. And when I got back to LA, I tried to get a coach and I couldn't find tried to get a coach and I couldn't find tried to get a coach and I couldn't find a good one. And then I had a coach that a good one. And then I had a coach that a good one. And then I had a coach that literally He came highly recommended, literally He came highly recommended,

01:46:52literally He came highly recommended, but it didn't work out for me. He He but it didn't work out for me. He He but it didn't work out for me. He He didn't let me take like 0.7 of a swing didn't let me take like 0.7 of a swing didn't let me take like 0.7 of a swing before he gave me feedback. And I was before he gave me feedback. And I was before he gave me feedback. And I was like, "I just need to hit a few. Like, I like, "I just need to hit a few. Like, I like, "I just need to hit a few. Like, I need to kind of just" And it was like need to kind of just" And it was like need to kind of just" And it was like every time I was about to hit the ball, every time I was about to hit the ball,

01:47:02every time I was about to hit the ball, but I was like, "Nope." "Sure, sure, but I was like, "Nope." "Sure, sure, but I was like, "Nope." "Sure, sure, sure." And I was like, "I just need to sure." And I was like, "I just need to sure." And I was like, "I just need to kind of like get a feel for it." And so kind of like get a feel for it." And so kind of like get a feel for it." And so The guy I go to is a guy called James The guy I go to is a guy called James The guy I go to is a guy called James Heath. Okay. And he Heath. Okay. And he Heath. Okay. And he does most of his teachings off of feel. does most of his teachings off of feel.

01:47:12does most of his teachings off of feel. So, it's not about numbers. It's not So, it's not about numbers. It's not So, it's not about numbers. It's not about results. It's more about how do about results. It's more about how do about results. It's more about how do you feel? I I he he calls it the feels. you feel? I I he he calls it the feels. you feel? I I he he calls it the feels. So, like, I'm working on twisting my So, like, I'm working on twisting my So, like, I'm working on twisting my hips more in my backswing. And he will hips more in my backswing. And he will hips more in my backswing. And he will say to me, "How does that make you feel? say to me, "How does that make you feel?

01:47:24say to me, "How does that make you feel? Like physically, where do you feel the Like physically, where do you feel the Like physically, where do you feel the stretch? Where do you feel the pain? stretch? Where do you feel the pain? stretch? Where do you feel the pain? Where do you feel the pinch?" That's Where do you feel the pinch?" That's Where do you feel the pinch?" That's what I need you to feel. And I, coming what I need you to feel. And I, coming what I need you to feel. And I, coming from a dancer's background, that's a from a dancer's background, that's a from a dancer's background, that's a really great way for me to learn because really great way for me to learn because

01:47:34really great way for me to learn because everything in dancing is about feel. everything in dancing is about feel. everything in dancing is about feel. Yeah. Um so, if you need a great teacher Yeah. Um so, if you need a great teacher Yeah. Um so, if you need a great teacher in London, James Heath is your guy. in London, James Heath is your guy. in London, James Heath is your guy. Thank you. Shout out James Heath. Thank you. Shout out James Heath. Thank you. Shout out James Heath. Yeah, shout out James Heath. Yeah, shout out James Heath. Yeah, shout out James Heath. Fifth and final question, if you could Fifth and final question, if you could

01:47:44Fifth and final question, if you could create one law that everyone else in the create one law that everyone else in the create one law that everyone else in the world had to follow, world had to follow, world had to follow, what would it be? Um I don't know. I what would it be? Um I don't know. I what would it be? Um I don't know. I don't know what one law would solve the don't know what one law would solve the don't know what one law would solve the most amount of problems. most amount of problems. most amount of problems. What would you say? Curious. I'd What would you say? Curious. I'd What would you say? Curious. I'd probably go to something you said probably go to something you said

01:47:58probably go to something you said earlier. If if I'm giving a genuine earlier. If if I'm giving a genuine earlier. If if I'm giving a genuine answer, like a real answer, is I really answer, like a real answer, is I really answer, like a real answer, is I really wish there was a life school. wish there was a life school. wish there was a life school. Oh, mate. Oh, mate. Oh, mate. Like I I that would be it because I'm Like I I that would be it because I'm Like I I that would be it because I'm not saying that would solve all the not saying that would solve all the not saying that would solve all the problems in the world, problems in the world,

01:48:10problems in the world, No. but it would set people up. And when No. but it would set people up. And when No. but it would set people up. And when I say life school, I mean emotional I say life school, I mean emotional I say life school, I mean emotional mastery. I mean 100%. mastery. I mean 100%. mastery. I mean 100%. ego mastery. I mean the ability to be ego mastery. I mean the ability to be ego mastery. I mean the ability to be kind and empathetic and vulnerable and kind and empathetic and vulnerable and kind and empathetic and vulnerable and compassionate and create safe spaces. I compassionate and create safe spaces. I

01:48:23compassionate and create safe spaces. I think a life school that taught you how think a life school that taught you how think a life school that taught you how to be non-judgmental to be non-judgmental to be non-judgmental Sure. and non-critical of others without Sure. and non-critical of others without Sure. and non-critical of others without understanding them. I think sure. understanding them. I think sure. understanding them. I think sure. That's what I mean by life school. So, That's what I mean by life school. So, That's what I mean by life school. So, not just the like paying taxes and bills not just the like paying taxes and bills not just the like paying taxes and bills and stuff,

01:48:34and stuff, and stuff, Yeah. but the life school of like, well, Yeah. but the life school of like, well, Yeah. but the life school of like, well, what if what if we didn't have to live what if what if we didn't have to live what if what if we didn't have to live in a world where we just said everything in a world where we just said everything in a world where we just said everything we wanted to and did everything we we wanted to and did everything we we wanted to and did everything we wanted to and got away with it and you wanted to and got away with it and you wanted to and got away with it and you know. Well, I think life the life lesson know. Well, I think life the life lesson

01:48:45know. Well, I think life the life lesson for me should be basic for me should be basic for me should be basic health and CPR and basic first aid health and CPR and basic first aid health and CPR and basic first aid training. It should be like you said, training. It should be like you said, training. It should be like you said, creating an environment at school where creating an environment at school where creating an environment at school where young people feel more comfortable young people feel more comfortable young people feel more comfortable talking about themselves, what they're talking about themselves, what they're

01:49:00talking about themselves, what they're going through, you know, things that going through, you know, things that going through, you know, things that might be happening at home or things might be happening at home or things might be happening at home or things that are happening at school. Like I that are happening at school. Like I that are happening at school. Like I think that that would be an amazing way think that that would be an amazing way think that that would be an amazing way for us for us for us to be more expressive and more to be more expressive and more to be more expressive and more comfortable expressing. And again, like comfortable expressing. And again, like

01:49:14comfortable expressing. And again, like I know I keep going back to it, but it's I know I keep going back to it, but it's I know I keep going back to it, but it's about what my show is about, which is about what my show is about, which is about what my show is about, which is you should feel empowered when asking you should feel empowered when asking you should feel empowered when asking for help. It should be something that for help. It should be something that for help. It should be something that you're proud of, like you're recognizing you're proud of, like you're recognizing you're proud of, like you're recognizing that you have an issue. It might be an

01:49:25that you have an issue. It might be an that you have an issue. It might be an internal issue, it might be an external internal issue, it might be an external internal issue, it might be an external issue, but you are seeking help, which I issue, but you are seeking help, which I issue, but you are seeking help, which I think is very admirable. Yeah, think is very admirable. Yeah, think is very admirable. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I do encourage and absolutely. Yeah. I do encourage and absolutely. Yeah. I do encourage and recommend everyone go watch The Crowded recommend everyone go watch The Crowded recommend everyone go watch The Crowded Room. I personally loving it with my

01:49:36Room. I personally loving it with my Room. I personally loving it with my wife, honestly, like I wife, honestly, like I wife, honestly, like I I barely watch TV shows, if I'm I barely watch TV shows, if I'm I barely watch TV shows, if I'm completely honest, and uh it's because I completely honest, and uh it's because I completely honest, and uh it's because I I like something that makes me think and I like something that makes me think and I like something that makes me think and reflect and you know reflect and you know reflect and you know and entertain me at the same time. and entertain me at the same time. and entertain me at the same time. Sure, great. And I and I think it does a

01:49:50Sure, great. And I and I think it does a Sure, great. And I and I think it does a brilliant job of doing all three. Like brilliant job of doing all three. Like brilliant job of doing all three. Like it's gripping. I'm like trying to figure it's gripping. I'm like trying to figure it's gripping. I'm like trying to figure out what's going on next. At the same out what's going on next. At the same out what's going on next. At the same time, I'm like it's it's amazing time, I'm like it's it's amazing time, I'm like it's it's amazing watching you watching you watching you being able to be this very different being able to be this very different

01:50:02being able to be this very different character to what we know you as. character to what we know you as. character to what we know you as. Sure. Sure. Sure. And that's really impressive. So even on And that's really impressive. So even on And that's really impressive. So even on like even on a performance level, I'm like even on a performance level, I'm like even on a performance level, I'm like I'm forgetting that you are like I'm forgetting that you are like I'm forgetting that you are Spider-Man. Nice. Spider-Man. Nice. Spider-Man. Nice. Right? Like and that's that's how I Right? Like and that's that's how I Right? Like and that's that's how I watch movies where I'm like can I forget

01:50:14watch movies where I'm like can I forget watch movies where I'm like can I forget Right. Right. Right. who this person is and or are they who this person is and or are they who this person is and or are they playing a caricature of themselves, playing a caricature of themselves, playing a caricature of themselves, obviously. obviously. obviously. Sure, sure, sure. Sure, sure, sure. Sure, sure, sure. you, I'm like I don't even think to you, I'm like I don't even think to you, I'm like I don't even think to think it's you. Right, right, right. think it's you. Right, right, right. think it's you. Right, right, right. Like right now I'm talking to you and Like right now I'm talking to you and

01:50:23Like right now I'm talking to you and I've been watching the show, I'm like oh I've been watching the show, I'm like oh I've been watching the show, I'm like oh it's not even the same person. Sure. it's not even the same person. Sure. it's not even the same person. Sure. And and that is really really impressive And and that is really really impressive And and that is really really impressive on a performance standpoint. So Well, on a performance standpoint. So Well, on a performance standpoint. So Well, thank you so much. thank you so much. thank you so much. Great show. It's been an honor, yeah. Great show. It's been an honor, yeah.

01:50:32Great show. It's been an honor, yeah. Thank you, mate. Thank you. If you loved Thank you, mate. Thank you. If you loved Thank you, mate. Thank you. If you loved this episode, you'll love my interview this episode, you'll love my interview this episode, you'll love my interview with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive to find your purpose. Our and obsessive to find your purpose. Our and obsessive to find your purpose. Our children have become less imaginative children have become less imaginative children have become less imaginative about how to problem solve, and parents

01:50:46about how to problem solve, and parents about how to problem solve, and parents and coaches have become more directive and coaches have become more directive and coaches have become more directive in trying to tell them how to behave in trying to tell them how to behave in trying to tell them how to behave versus teaching them how to behave.